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[edit] Hello

Hello Nightstallion, A rather good item about the two euro commemorative coins.

Regards. Marc --Flafla89 19:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I tried to implement all of your changes... Good? (Trying to make this a feature article out of nowhere, so I need all the feedback I can get. ;)) —Nightstallion (?) 17:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for having implemented these propositions. It seems rather good.
I 've added some light changes :
  • a first paragraph just to make the intro shorter.
  • About the coins, it should be better to have the titles at every picture : Image Country - Design - Volume - Date - Reference.
I propose to add the engraver's name. Marc--Flafla89 16:02, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! As I've said, trying to make this my first self-written featured article. ;)
The intro is better now; I had considered the same notion, but couldn't agree with myself on either a title or on where to cut the first paragraph in half. Thanks!
I personally think that it's good the way it is, we needn't give the columns for every coin (especially since it's rather clear what each column contains from context); I wouldn't be against including the engraver and/or designer, if we can find out who they are for all of them.
Thanks for your input! I'll add the remaining four coins and information on upcoming issues in the next (few) day(s). —Nightstallion (?) 07:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motif

Everything looks good. To me tho, motif describes an ongoing theme throughout a set. I would use design, or such. But since this is the euro, maybe motif is a more european definition. The name...Euro commemorative coins(2E)or(E2)(the E is euro symbol, just didn't want to look up how to do it :) or E2 commemorative coins. Other than that, it's nice.  :) Joe I 00:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Mh, okay, I'll use design, then. I'll move it to €2 commemorative coins, yeah. —Nightstallion (?) 17:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Great page. Maybe under volume you could change "mio" because that doesn't realy look like "million" if that's what it's supposed to be. Otherwise everything is to my liking. – Zntrip 02:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh? "Mio." isn't the usual abbreviation for million in English (it is in German)? Oops. ^_^; Should I just use "million" or is there some other common abbreviation? Thanks for the laudatio. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 05:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bravo !

Felicitation Nightstallion ! I really appreciate that item on 2 euros commemorative coins. It is one of the best I have ever seen on the net. Marc --Flafla89 19:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! On that note, I'll move to the final title and nominate for featured-ness. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 19:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


Cool article. Always curious bout other nation's currency. --Madchester 03:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 07:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Excellent article! Thanks for taking the time to explain what's being pictured on each of the coins. Congratulations as well on gaining FA status. --Dmleach 13:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 13:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] €2 euro coin?

The introductory paragraph contains the text "€2 euro coin". Isn't that redundant? Shouldn't it be either "€2 coin" or "2 euro coin"? Markkawika 08:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

You're correct, of course. Changed. —Nightstallion (?) 08:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order

Do you think that the list of the coins should be by the day they came out? – Zntrip 18:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I personally prefer listing them by issuing countries. Of course, I don't WP:OWN this article, so if others agree... ;) —Nightstallion (?) 20:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Well... I guess nobody has anything to say... – Zntrip 01:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

shrugs Shall we leave it as is for now, then? —Nightstallion (?) 08:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion, it is better to keep the date of issue. Marc --Flafla89 15:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Year-by-year basis is better, since there would be less headers than having one for each country that has released a coin. --Madchester 01:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

To clarify: The discussion is not whether to have sections for years or for countries, but whether to sort them by issue date or by country in the year sections. —Nightstallion (?) 06:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plural name?

Why is this at €2 commemorative coins instead of €2 commemorative coin per naming conventions? Is it because there are multiple different kinds of them? I must assume there's some reason for this to have gotten by all the FA reviewers. Deco 02:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually... I don't have an elaborate reason for it, I just went by precedent (euro coins) and because it sounded "right", while the singular form didn't. —Nightstallion (?) 06:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm in the singular camp, which sounds more "right" to me. Declare 09:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
yeah, I would have thought per convention a renaming to the singular is in order. └UkPaolo/talk┐ 13:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Mh. Well, we can, of course, move it, but then euro coins would also have to be moved. I think we should wait with this until it's not FAotD any longer, shouldn't we? —Nightstallion (?) 13:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Using the name "€2 commemorative coin" would imply that there is only one kind of coin. But this page describes all the diffrent €2 commemorative coins, so the plural name makes much more sense to me. --Boivie 14:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, perhaps you're right... I'm not sure to be honest, doesn't really matter. I certainly wouldn't think about moving it whilst it's on the front page, Nightstallion! └UkPaolo/talk┐ 14:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • It doesn't hold this implication for me, and then there's the matter of basic convention (+ "coin" can also work as a mass noun). Declare 03:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Obscenity in the coin

Image:Obscene-eu-coin.png
Controversy over Norway in the EU 2c coin

Today's featured picture features an interesting osbcenity. While I was the one that uploaded it, I did create it at the request of another user who uploaded a newspaper clip of the same thing. —This user has left wikipedia 05:04 2006-01-27

This sounds familiar. Raul654 05:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be "controversy over lack of Norway"? ;) Besides, that'll be changed on 1 January 2007. —Nightstallion (?) 06:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Whats happening on the 1 January 2007? Norway isn't joining, is it? Seabhcán 11:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
No. (Not yet, anyway. Discussion on that to be re-opened after the next Norwegian legislative elections in 2009.) What will happen is that the common reverse side will change to include all of Europe, not just the EU member states (currently, only the EU-15 are depicted; to avoid having to change the common side every three years as the Balkans –and possibly other countries– join the EU, they opted for this change; cf. euro coins). —Nightstallion (?) 12:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Ah, much better. It was silly only to show EU members on coins, while showing everyone on the notes. What about Iceland, Greenland and Turkey? And how will they fit in cyprus, for that matter? Ireland's going to look very small! Seabhcán 12:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Cf. the image on the page I linked to; neither of the four you mentioned is on it, I'm afraid. I doubt they'll change that when Iceland or Turkey join, though. —Nightstallion (?) 12:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotas & Minting

I was looking at this article and some of the linked ones and got to wondering how it is determined how many coins each country can make and possible issues that may exist when different countries mint the same curreny, but I didn't find it. I imagine this information must be covered somewhere, and I think it would be useful to some how link the articles.--Paraphelion 10:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Every year, the European Union edit in the Official Journal of the European Union how many coins each country of the Eurozone is allowed to mint. I should find back the article reference during next week end. ;-). Marc --Flafla89 10:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Just to be clear, I meant linking to other wiki articles, but of course external articles could be useful too. The featured article is what made me aware that the Euro wasn't minted by some central agency, and seems like a natural thing to wonder after reading the article.--Paraphelion 11:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main page FA already?

This article was only nominated for FA status 17 days ago. Surely putting it as the main page FA was rather premature?

I'm not especially criticising the article itself (and obviously I'm content to have subject matter from my area feature on the main page), but it does surely suggest lax standards in the choosing of articles for the main page.

zoney ♣ talk 13:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't even know who selects the FAotD, but you should probably ask her/him about this. —Nightstallion (?) 13:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Raul654 is in charge; see Wikipedia:Today's featured article and the corresponding talk page for more information . Schutz 14:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't see symbol before number 2...

Already mentioned on the main page, too: Firefox 1.0.4 on Mac OSX can't see the "eurosymbol" in this article. Strangely enough, it DOES appear in the title bar for the page! I get Editing Talk:(Eurosymbol)2 ... on the title bar at the top of the brower, but (space)2... in the article itself.

I suggest getting 1.5 then. =] —Nightstallion (?) 13:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


Same deal with 1.5. Some sort of Mac thing? This is my office computer -- I'm not much of a Mac maven. MattShepherd 15:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
It's a Unicode symbol. Do you need different font as your browser default? --Red King 00:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Works fine on my Mac, so I s'pose it's a font issue. —Nightstallion (?) 23:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Directions

The heads of e.g. Henri, GD of Luxembourg are described as facing left, but are turned toward the right of the image. Is there some terminological convention in numismatics that is being used? If so, perhaps a note to explain this, or a link to a more general explanatory article on numismatic terms, would be useful. --80.69.0.186 14:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it works the same way as on flags and coats of arms. —Nightstallion (?) 23:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wales?

I haven't seen one of these coins "for real", but from the image it looks as though the map contains the same omission that appeared in another EU-published map - i.e. they've left Wales off the UK! Can anyone confirm this from a real coin? Jon Rob 14:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

New design from 2007
New design from 2007
The common side of these coins is the same as for ordinary 2 euro coins. A new common side will be introduced in 2007, see Euro coins#Design changes --Boivie 14:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protected!

It is a real shame for Wikipedia to make an article featured, for everyone to read, and then protect it. What a slap in the face of Wikipedia's goals and reputation.

When there was as much vandalism as there was it was necessary. The vandalism was a slap in the face of Wikipedia's goals and reputation. joturner 00:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely approve. There was a concerted group attack to destroy the article with random pictures and junk. It wasn't even an opposing point of view, but just at the level of kicking in a public telephone box. Letting it go on would destroy Wiki's credibility too. If anyone has some relevant text to add or change, they can put it here. --Red King 00:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC) (not an admin)

Good choice, but it was to be expected of such a controversial issue like commemorative coinage.--Paraphelion 00:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Was that sarcasm? ;) —Nightstallion (?) 23:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error?

Description: On the left side of the centre part of the coin, the effigy of Grand Duke Henri is depicted (looking to the left)

Isn't he looking to the right, not the left? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dblandford (talk • contribs) . 29 January 2006, 22:11 (UTC)

We've had that question before. Incidentally, can someone come up with an article link to let all these people wondering about this know that with flags, coats of arms, stamps, coins, and so on, left is right and right is left? —Nightstallion (?) 22:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, we should correct the orientations on practically all coin descriptions in the page, then. I can do that, if you like.--Iago4096 05:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Why? It's currently correct, isn't it? —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 15:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid, you did get me confused in the end... So which way is correct? People on the coin looking left are looking at their left, right? But everything else on the right side of the coin is on our right side as we look at the coin? So it is not as it is with coats of arms? Please explain...--Iago4096 17:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It is as with coats of arms; everything on the "left" of the coin is on "their" left. Hope I've explained it now... ^_^; Sorry for the confusion! —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 08:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, then have a good look at the pictures and the descriptions. Finland 2004 the right side of the pillar, Greece 2004 to the left is the logo of the Olympic Games, to the right is the denomination, Italy 2004 Globe tilted to the right, RI to the right of the globe, mint mark upper left of the globe, Luxembourg 2004 on the left...effigy, the right displays his monogram, twelve stars also on the right, San Marino 2004 SAN MARINO to the right of the bust... and so on. Practically all the descriptions should be changed, right? Just say the word and I'll do it.--Iago4096 16:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
It seems you're right... Never noticed that. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'd agree with the changes. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 10:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Gnah! After wandering around for a while in Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style, and staring at a coin crosseyed, the only conclusions i can concieve is they were discussing the metal stamp that rams the design into the coins, hence everything is backwards? Or, more likely but less geeky invention, it's from standing behind ones own shield, heraldratically speaking... If that's not it, i and this thread would love to know what is :) -Quiddity 02:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, yes. I am afraid it is heraldry all over again. It makes some sense, if you think of portraits of people on the coins looking at their left, walking to their right or having things done to their left arm or right leg. Think of ot anatomically, if it makes you happy. Ask any physician. A patients left arm is always his left arm, no matter how many people look at it from whichever direction.--Iago4096 04:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2€ Belgium 2005

I have the coin Belgium-Luxembourg Economic Union described in your article and I could upload a picture of the coin. I prefer using pictures of the the actual coins, especially since the picture featured on the page is slightly incorrect regarding the mint symbols at the bottom. My coin is circulated, though. Should I upload it?--Iago4096 05:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please do so -- on the commons, though, of course. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 15:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Will do as soon as I get around to it.--Iago4096 17:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2€ Treaties of Rome 2007

First of all, this page is great. Keep up the good work. A couple of days ago a proposal was made for the joined 2007 2 euro coin. Perhaps it's worth mentioning? There's a picture of it at : http://www.minfin.nl/nl/actueel/nieuwsberichten,2006/07/Europa-doet-voorstel-herdenkingsmunt.html Perhaps you find it worth mentioning. BenCastricum 18:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the article; I've preferred only to include picture if the coin has already been released, at least up to now, though we could change that, of course... —Nightstallion (?) 05:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sort by date

The list would be more interesting if it was sorted by date of issuing. It's already sorted by year, so why not completing the chronology of the list rather than listing by the name of the country? CG 14:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem with that is that one date is not completely clear... If you can give me a source for a date for Finland's 2004 coin, I wouldn't be against rearranging them. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 05:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
It's chronologically listed in the official site. Look at 2004. The only problem is between Luxembourg (23 June) and Finland (June/July). The official site seems to have solved it by considering that Luxembourg has issued before Finland. As for other dates, everything is clear. CG 10:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll just be bold and do it. What do you think? CG 09:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Well done, but I'm against using the dates from the ECB, as they've been proven incorrect; if you know some German, check out the other sources, which have got more precise dates. Thanks for reordering them, though! —Nightstallion (?) 06:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, but could you provide sources for dates that are not from the ecb? CG 11:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
As I've stated, http://www.zwei-euro.com/, the German source given at the end of the article. Would you prefer it if I referenced the dates directly with <ref>s? —Nightstallion (?) 06:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it may be better. Give a try with one date. CG 06:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Done for all of 'em. —Nightstallion (?) 06:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. CG 07:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Gladly. :) —Nightstallion (?) 06:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversal of sides in Germany 2006 Holstentor coin

I made an edit awhile back that reversed the directions (left and right) on the Holstentor coin. Please clearly read the text on the cited page (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2006/c_033/c_03320060209en00050005.pdf), it says the HH (designers initials) are on the right side.

Just because the OJ of the EU doesn't properly use heraldic descriptions doesn't mean we have to do it wrong, as well. —Nightstallion (?) 12:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article?

Just wondering, should this be a feature list, rather than a featured article? Todd661 11:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This was discussed extensively in the FA nomination -- no, it should not. —Nightstallion (?) 18:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italics in subheadings

I've changed subheading ===German ''Bundesländer'' series=== to ===German Bundesländer series=== because [[€2 commemorative coins#German ''Bundesländer'' series]] was not being recognised as a wikilink. Is this a MediaWiki bug? jnestorius(talk) 21:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, yes. Could you file it as a bug with bugzilla, please? —Nightstallion (?) 12:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
After further study I think bugzilla:05019 already covers it. jnestorius(talk) 14:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Mh. I'd personally really prefer to leave the info out of the table until the Official Journal of the European Union actually mentions the coin, but I do realise that this would mean that we'd be out-of-date for a little while longer (don't ask me why they take so long this time, though). —Nightstallion (?) 12:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magdeburg Cathedral

Nightstallion I don't understand why you have a problem with the name Magdeburg Cathedral...?? "Cathedral of Magdeburg" may very well be the title of an image or even an article.. BUT that still doesn't make it correct usage.

As an example: we don't use "Abbey of Westminster" or "Cathedral of Durham" as the names of the those places. I'm afraid you are confusing "of" with the German usage of "von", so I have once again changed the reference in the article. By the way, in the same article the Kölner Dom is noted as "Cologne Cathedral" and not "Cathedral of Cologne" ... shame really as it might have smelt quite nice :-)--IsarSteve 20:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, it's really quite simple. If the correct idiomatic name in English is "Magdeburg Cathedral", then the article should be at that location. If it's at Cathedral of Magdeburg, then you are either wrong, or the article should be moved, I don't care which. And please, be so kind not to lecture me on English, I reckon my English is no worse than yours. —Nightstallion (?) 15:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
it's really not worth the bother of replying..BUT If you want to make the article and yourself look childish, then carry on using "Cathedral of Magdeburg". My last word on the subject. As I previously mentioned, if this whole thing is just made up by me, why then isn't Cologne Cathedral called Cathedral of Cologne. --IsarSteve 21:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
You're not really listening, are you? My point is, if you're right, then Cathedral of Magdeburg is not at its correct location and should be moved to Magdeburg Cathedral; I ventured that you should be the one to do this, as you claim that this is the more idiomatic form. That's all I was saying. —Nightstallion (?) 14:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course I'm listening and if you checked out talk:Cathedral of Magdeburg then you would see that I've taken steps to change the situation!! --IsarSteve 14:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I just saw that recently; sorry for doing you wrong, it's okay then, we'll discuss this there. :) —Nightstallion (?) 13:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction with Finnish euro coins

The issued dates. I didn't make any changes to the dates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, fixed it. —Nightstallion (?) 13:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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