User talk:Švitrigaila

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Contents 1 Our forum 2 Popes Stephen 3 Pope Christopher 4 Pope moves 5 Irish parliamentary constituencies 6 Jagiello 7 List of state leaders by date 8 User talk spamming 9 Merci 10 Caron 11 Ilham Aliyev 12 Heydar Aliyev 13 Safari fonts 14 Nevis PM 15 Romanization of Russian 16 Basque Portal? 17 FYI 18 My suggestion 19 Edit count 20 Question sur TV 21 Rahmon

[edit] Our forum

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--Anittas 20:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Popes Stephen

Please present at Talk:Pope Stephen whatever evidence you have for your change there and at List of people by name: Step. Don't repeat it, as it merely sows confusion even if you are correct in thinking a change is needed.
--Jerzy•t 02:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Stop editing on the basis of this plan, now, while it is discussed, or you will be blocked and reverted as vandal.
--Jerzy•t 18:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't see any place where it is discussed. You are up to now the only one to protest. And you protest without giving any argument against what you call "my plan". I simply restore the correct names of those pages, that's all. Švitrigaila 21:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

_ _ At Talk:Pope Stephen#Termination of the doomed discussion, i've stated my intention of winding this up. If you intend to do more than leave it to editors more experienced and fluent on en: WP than you yourself, please say so soon.
_ _ Since writing those samples, i've reread, in more detail, your research on versions of numbering the Stephens, and i see that you were focusing on pre-1961 sources (contrary to the impression you gave me before i skimmed it). Thus my wording reflects my misconception that i rcved from you, that i kept repeating, and that you never explicitly contradicted, that the old Cath Ency reflected a universal consensus. When i do up my templates, i'll reword accordingly. But that does nothing to alleviate the fundamental disfunctionality of the ToP Dab scheme, which i have now stated much more explicitly, and which AFAI can see you have never addressed.
_ _ As i say also on the page i already cited, thank you for your very valuable contribution in alerting us to the ambiguity of the numbering system.
--Jerzy•t 17:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your invitation to participate in the discussion about the titles of articles on popes named Stephen. I have been aware of this discussion over the past few weeks - but have purposefully not contributed since I have not as yet come to any subsantial conclusions. It is a very sticky question. Noel S McFerran 10:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pope Christopher

If the Catholic Church accepts Pope Christopher as legitimate, such as is proved by the Catholic Encyclopedia entry, it is for you to prove that he is not a legitimate pope according to the Church by citations. I can see none (the offhand talk of "Annuaria Pontificio" means nothing, as the public is not provided an opportunity to verify this claim). Please do not impose yourself as super-pope to define who is and who is not pope. Please restore the Pope Christopher entry back to its original status - unless you can provide genuine citations.

I won't answer any anonymous request. Švitrigaila 07:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pope moves

I've moved S3 to S2 now. Please tell me as soon as you've sorted out the links, so that I can move S4 to S3 next. Cheers, —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 08:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! :o)))) I've sorted all the links out. I've left only 8 links to Pope Stephen III because they point effectively to this pope. I've left all the links from talk pages and user pages, for historical reasons. I've even sorted interwikis. The only problem will be with this template. I don't know how to modify it and I think it's better to wait all the other moves have been made. I'm ready for the next step: S4 ---> S3 Švitrigaila 11:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I've moved S4 to S3 now. —Nightstallion (?) 11:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me if I'm slow, but I am working. I'm ready for the next step: S5 ---> S4. Švitrigaila 12:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all, take your time. S5 to S4 has been done. :) —Nightstallion (?) 12:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. ... It's a bit tiring ... What kind of weather do you have in Austria? ... Oh, back to work again, no time to breath? ... Then, next step: S6 --> S5. Švitrigaila 13:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd expect it to be tiring, yeah... Thanks for doing it, BTW. =] The weather is pretty spring-like in Austria currently, maybe a bit warmer than I'd prefer (around 24°C, I guess; I'd prefer 15°C–18°C =]). And in France? S6 to S5 has been done. —Nightstallion (?) 14:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Das war ein Stückarbeit. Ich weiß nicht sicherlich, was es meint, aber es scheint gut. ... Hier im Zentrum des Paris ist das Wetter heiß. Vielleicht zu heiß, aber es gibt hier ein Proverb: Mann soll wissen, was er will. ... Next step, please: S7 ---> S6 (a big one, I'm afraid). Švitrigaila 14:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure I've understood all of that (I've tried translating it into English literally and then translating it into proper German =]), but... erm... Yes. Anyway. S7 is now S6. We're close to the end... ;) —Nightstallion (?) 15:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

My German is very poor. But my Austrian is worse. I'm ready for the next move : S8 ---> S7. I hope we'll have finished before Stephen X's election. Švitrigaila 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I hope so, too; S8 to S7 has been done. =] —Nightstallion (?) 13:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Ещё раз! S9 ---> S8. Švitrigaila 14:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

S9 to S8 has been done, and we're almost done, too. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 17:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It's done! The last one now! S10 ---> S9. And you will offer the Champagne! :o) Švitrigaila 19:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Finally! ::opens the champagne, and orange juice for himself:: =] —Nightstallion (?) 20:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irish parliamentary constituencies

Hi Švitrigaila, I saw you had voted on the discussion at Category talk:Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland about my proposal to move some of the articles. I have posted a reply to the disccssion so far, at Category talk:Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland#The_case_for_a_consistent_naming_format, and wondered if you might like to take a look and see if I can persuade you to change your mind?

Thanks for your reply! --BrownHairedGirl 19:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jagiello

Would you care to visit at Talk:Wladyslaw_II_Jagiellon_of_Poland#Survey. The simple "Jagiello" - for that there is now a formal listing going on to sign support or opposition. ObRoy 21:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, those disussion is to long. I can't read it at all. My opinion about the subject is that every "title" should be excluded from the articles's name. For exemple, Pope John Paul II should be renamed into John Paul II. In Jagiello's case, I'm in favor of a simple title. Either Ladislaus II, or Jagiello, or Jogaila... (I don't know what is the most commonly used name in English). I strongly oppose:

• Any variants in the article's title itself (for example Ladislaus V/II...) As a rule an article's name must chose only one variant, or else, you can rename Tighina into Tighina/Bender/bendery or 2003 invasion of Iraq into 2003 invasion/liberation of Iraq...
• Any title that is not part of the name itself (for example Ladislaus II of Poland or King Ladislaus II) Or else, why not writing President George W. Bush or Benedict XVI of Vatican ?
• Any foreign forms for kings' names or historical figures only, when an English form exists (for example Władysław II) Or else, we can rename Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor into Carlos V.

If this system produces serveral articles with the same name, and only in this case, let's use disambiguation in parenthesis as for any other such articles. Let's write Alexander I (pope), instead of Pope Alexander I, as there are Chicago (band) and Chicago (poker game).

The naming conventions as they exist now are a mess. You find articles' names like Švitrigaila (no title), Pope Alexander I (with a title) , Antipope Gregory VIII (as if antipope were an official title!), Avignon Pope Benedict XIII (why not Avignon Antipope?),Emperor Meiji (official posthumous name, with the title before the name), Hirohito (familiar first name never used in Japan), Charlemagne (without a title or a country name), Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (with the title after the name), Charles X Gustav of Sweden (English name), Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden (Swedish name)... I think we really need a coherent system.

Švitrigaila 08:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

FYI, moves are also debated at Zygmunt I the Old, Zygmunt II August and Zygmunt III Vasa.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of state leaders by date

Hi, Good suggestion on the seperate col for state and office. It means slightly less work for me in converting the data into the page. I've taken the dates of office from the individual WP bio pages/List of leader pages, so if you are sure of the date changes that you have made, could you update the relevant bio pages also? Also, take a look at the entry in the list for Denis_Sassou-Nguesso Republic of the Congo, there seems to be a conflict in your chanages between 1996 and 1997.--Rye1967 21:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk spamming

Please stop spamming user pages with the same message. If you would like an opinion on a dispute see resolving disputes. Thanks.--Andeh 10:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Spamming users talk pages is not the correct way to request an opinion/comment, please stop.--Andeh 10:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Who has complained against my comportement? Who did I harm? Švitrigaila 10:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Spamming is frowned apon in wikipedia because a) people don't like to get spam on their talk pages and b) it can introduce bias. You could start a rfc on the issue or discuss the matter in a public place such as the village pump. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The discussion already exists on Talk:İlham Əliyev. I see no reason to start it again on a page that nobody will read. But if you want, you can read the message I send. I just say : 1) I have a discussion somewhere about one subject, 2) Here is my position on this subject, 3) If you are interested, you can go on this page and vote. I don't force anybody. And you can't say everybody voting in the discussion the same way as I do has an invalid vote. PS: I don't know what a rfc is. Švitrigaila 10:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I already read the message! You are spamming native turkish speakers, that introduces bias. This is an english speaking encylopedia. Please don't do it anymore. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

"English Wikipedia" means "Wikipedia in English". It doesn't mean "Wikipedia for the English only". Here, even a Turk has a right to vote. Švitrigaila 11:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course! But you don't have a right to spam them. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 11:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

And you have no right to erase my private messages to other Users. You don't have to decide what I have the right to say to people I want to speak with. Who do you think you are? Švitrigaila 11:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry i forgot to ad see WP:RFC for how you can get a wider audience involved. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

About WP:RFC, I already tried in the past about another discussion I had. It was about renaming Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX and so on. I tried everything, in vain. Every time I launched the discussion somewhere, there was always one user answering, always the same one, and who voted against my opinion. This discussion seemed to interest absolutely nobody, and I was unable to change a wrong information for a good one because of one user. Of course I tried RFC [1] without any success. Finally, after nearly three mounths of feud, I wrote a message for several persons. I selected exactly the persons I wanted to send the message, considering their past votes. And in only one day, they voted overwhelmingly for my own opinion, and several thanked me for having bring the problem to them.

So, when now you tell me that I'd better use WP:RFC, that's make me laugh! Do you really think anybody read this page sometimes? Even I, who spend a lot of time on Wikipedia and who watch this page, never read it.

Well in that case take it to the village pump Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 11:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

A last thing about "spam": Every time someone launch a new portail or a new project, he sends spam to every potentially interested user, and no-one complains. So why couldn't I do that? I sign and date all my posts, and if anyone has something to complain about my comportement, he can tell me himself. Švitrigaila 11:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

You are spamming only a certain subset of wikipedians. You sre interested only in winning your side of the argument. |You started spammimg after the argument was not going your way. You are spamming newbies. I can't make it any clearer. Please stop. I am in the process of rolling back all your spam edits, please don't add amy more. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 11:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, as one of the receivers of the message, I don't consider it "spam" and I'm glad to be informed about an issue of interest to me. Please see [2]. Atilim Gunes Baydin 17:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merci

Merci pour l'URL. J'ai pensé que c'était une acte de responsibilité et pas spam. J'ai presenté mes opinions. Au revoir. Kedi the tramp 11:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Merci aussi (je ne sais plus comment on dit "merci" en turc, mais je sais que je le savais... c'était peut-être "teşekkũr", mais je ne veux pas dire de bêtises). Ton soutien me fait beaucoup de bien aujourd'hui... Švitrigaila 11:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caron

Regarding your vote at this article's discussion, please recheck that what you have heard is really "english". Hacek is listed at Merriam-Webster English dictionary [3], however caron isn't [4]. The same is true for the Oxford English Dictionary. From this viewpoint, hacek is a more legitimate english word than "caron", which is probably an Adobe/IT neologism and its -on ending is greek in origin, not english. You might have heard it more often because it is used in the IT/computer/typesetting industry, particularly by Unicode, but it should be noted that non-computer sources use hacek almost exclusively. Moreover, your argument that it also exists in other languages than english is outweighted by the fact, that it was invented by the czech reformer Jan Hus and first used in the Czech language. That's why pre-1980 sources and most contemporary dictionaries adopted hacek from czech into english and not for instance makcen from slovak. If you applied the rules you apply to hacek to the french Resumé, you would probably endup replacing it by some truly "english", newly coined word. 85.70.5.66 12:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your vote, thanks for preferring caron to háček. Evertype 13:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I thank you for your thanks. :o) I am myself in a feud on another subject. I can't speak with you about it, because User:Theresa knott has decided I have no right to do so. She has sistematically erased all the mails I wrote to other users about the subject. She seems she has the right to decide who I can speak with and what about I can. So I can't speak about it, but if you want, you can find it here. Švitrigaila 13:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ilham Aliyev

By the way, what was the purpose of your edits to Ilham Aliyev after the page move? What does that accomplish?—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 17:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

J'ai reçu ton message Švitrigaila. Tot ou tard, le titre sera corrige de toute façon, incongru qu'il est en ce moment. Il faut juste attendre que Monsieur le President voit l'article qui lui est consacre ici et le debat autour de son nom:) Je serais dans le coin. Merci. Cretanforever

I received your message Švitrigaila. Early or late, the title will be corrects in any event, incongruous that it is in this moment. It should just be waited until Mr. President sees the article who him east devotes here and the debate around his name:) I would be in the corner. Thank you. Cretanforever

Translated automatically. Please don't use non-english languages in your messages on english wikipedia. I have put your page into my watch, should you delete anything I will report you. 85.70.5.66 23:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Better and better! People has the right to send me messages in the tongue they want. If someone wants to post a message on my talk page in Klingon language, he can. Now, I musst admit I haven't understood the end of your message, and I even don't understand if it is a positive or negative comment. My English is not good, you know. Švitrigaila 23:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi I've just seen your message, but unfortunately it is too late I guess, tell me if I can do anything about this issue.--Hattusili 17:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. It seems it's to late, indeed. By a majority, the voters decided to rename İlham Əliyev into Ilham Aliyev. It was done here. But the same day, someone has decided to rename it into İlham Aliyev without any vote (see here)! So, what was the puropose of voting? What a nonsense! And every pages with a "ə" have been renamed with a "a" instead, without any vote, for example, Artur Rasizadə has been renamed Artur Rasizada... There is nothing I can do for the moment. I will go to holydays soon and will be far from internet for several weeks. The better thing we can do, I think, is to launch a more global discussion about the spelling of Azerbaijani names in general, for example on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Azeri. About the fact that the mail I sent you was censored, I don't know what to do at all... Švitrigaila 21:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Salut, Švitrigaila! I've read your message on my talk page concerning the correct spelling of the name of the Azeri president, although it has quickly been deleted by someone else. I tried to look at the discussion pages, but, those discussions have unfortunately gone faaaar beyond the limits of legibility, and I felt I have no contributions to make.. I could only say that, Azeri names and the language used in Azerbaycan could not be a point of expertise for Turkish speakers, since we do not speak and write in the actual same language with that nation. Media and politicians here in Turkey also spell the name of İlham Aliyev as they like it, with Latin alphabet, and read according to Turkish pronunciation rules. For ordinary people, on the other hand, Azeri language is... ehm, for most of the cases... considered to be... a funny think actually :(( I am sure you navigated through the whole web, but I think we should keep in mind that, selon le site officiel du président, écrire son nom en Anglais avec le lettre 'A' ne fait pas de problème.. Anyway, I appreciate your efforts, bon succès! (and my apologies for this weak usage of French) Okan 13:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heydar Aliyev

Looking at the history of Heydar Aliyev, it seems to me that this is the third time I've noticed you (apparently deliberately) making edits to a redirect page to prevent other editors from moving a page there. Doing this is very, very bad form and will end up getting you in trouble if you keep doing it.—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 17:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course I did. Since a discussion was going on Wikipedia:Requested_moves and since some users tried to change the article's name before the end of the vote, I find this way very practical in order that only an administrator can change the article's name after the end of the vote. Any objection? Švitrigaila 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's bad form to force the issue. An admin can place a move-block on the page if there is a serious problem. In any event, there was certainly no requested move in progress on Heydar Aliyev when you did that.—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 22:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I did it for several Azerbaijani pages when a user, allways the same one (Baku87), tried to rename all those pages while there was a discution going on İlham Əliyev's page name. And you can see at Talk:Heydar_Aliyev#Spelling that there was a discussion, redirecting to İlham Əliyev's talk page. Švitrigaila 10:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Please refer to this ruling of the arbitration committee—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 05:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't see the rapport with Baku87. He's not mentioned on this page. Švitrigaila 14:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Safari fonts

Hi Thank you for your notice. My Safari gives just a box for "Ə" in the page though it appears correct in the address bar for example. May be I am missing some fonts. Any tips? --þħɥʂıɕıʄʈ^ʝɘɖı 17:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't have any tip now (and I'm not at home...) Maybe we could compare our respective configurations, but I don't know where to look to begin. Švitrigaila 10:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nevis PM

No worries, as you can see I am still obsessed with that page, and with WP, but I will get over it eventually, hopefully I get a new job to take up my time.--Rye1967 03:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Romanization of Russian

Please don't edit-war over major changes to articles when other editors disagree with you. The previous version of the table had the support of editors' consensus, since it has been stable for a long time. What you are proposing is a major change, so please describe and justify it on the talk page. —Michael Z. 2006-11-01 16:55 Z

[edit] Basque Portal?

Kaixo, I'm contacting you because you figure in Category:User eu, meaning that you speak some Basque. You must therefore be Basque yourself or have an intense connection with the Basque Country.

I am thinking that maybe was a good idea to create a Portal (or maybe a Wikiproject? or both?) on the Basque theme but I feel such kind of project requires more than just one person.

If you are interested, please comment in my talk page.

Enjoy, --Sugaar 10:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

More names to be corrected... Thanks for your help! —Nightstallion (?) 22:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My suggestion

Maybe it would help if you drafted Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Turkmenistan-related articles), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Vietnam-related articles) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Azerbaijan-related articles...? Just an idea. —Nightstallion (?) 14:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit count

The site to count edits is located here. It gives a detailed list of everything you've done on Wikipedia. Kaiser matias 23:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question sur TV

Bonjour, en réponse à votre question sur Tigre volant : oui je suis bien le même utilisateur. J'ai cessé de m'occuper de la version française du texte en raison du fait que le débat sur cet article a viré au grotesque. Les commentaires des utilisateurs Arnaudus et Peps se limitaient au règlement de compte personnel et à l'empoignade plutôt qu'à la discussion de fond; ces deux utilisateurs ayant d'ailleurs écrit qu'ils ne connaissaient pas le sujet et même, qu'ils ne s'y intéressaient pas (!!!!)

Alors tant qu'à perdre mon temps dans une occupation bénévole et anonyme, aussi bien le faire du côté anglophone où les discussions sont intéressantes et bien argumentées et la majorité des utilisateurs ont lu autre chose que le Petit Robert. Pour ce qui est de l'argumentation sur votre proposition, je vous répondrai sur la page de l'article. --Flying tiger 20:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rahmon

We may actually succeed this time... Be sure to give me a heads-up if you file RM for any other incorrect names. —Nightstallion (?) 15:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't know what an "RM" is. ... And to be frank, I don't know what "to give a heads-up" means too. :o| Švitrigaila 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

RM = requested move, "give a heads-up" = tell me about it. Incidentally, is Serzh Sargsyan correctly transliterated or not? Best to correct it now before everyone becomes aware of the fact that he'll be the new PM and then the new president... —Nightstallion (?) 21:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Technically, yes, he's Սերժ Սարգսյան, that is Serzh Sargsyan if you translitterate it from the Armenian spelling. But his first name is the French first name Serge translitterated in Armenian. The Armenian form of this first name is Սարգիս Sargis. Thus his name means Sergius, (son) of Sergius. Sargsyan is the most common name in Armenia, and Armenian names are very not various. Švitrigaila 21:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)