Talk:Álvaro Uribe

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Contents 1 Temporarily removed the info 2 First Lady 3 NPOV 4 Poverty over....? 5 manipulating statistics

[edit] Temporarily removed the info

Temporarily removed the info added by 81.86.78.225 because a)it completely deleted previously added information b)showed plenty of NPOV violations (it was taken almost verbatim, without the proper attributions to boot, from a politically activist/opinion website with a clear interest in criticizing and not in showing neutrality or balance).

Significant portions of it could well be added back in, but a)with proper formatting (for example, a section which specifies that it is info from critical sources, quoting them specifically, etc.), b)without deleting previous information, and c)clearly being edited to try to follow the NPOV guidelines (copying and pasting all the info from a partisan website definitely isn't).

On that same note, some of the (before the above case) recently added info in the first part of the article also needed some degree of NPOV editing (though from the opposite perspective), which I've just tried to do. The article also needs some better formatting as a whole. Juancarlos2004 00:26, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

KapilTagore: Just saw the version history and I completely agree, your version is entirely more neutral (the other was too partisan and politically inclined, and in several times totally biased). By the way, it would be very nice if people helped me placing the infoboxes for the presidents of Colombia, or created (and cleaned up) pages both for the parties (like the Conservative party which doesn't have a page yet), different posts (vice president and stuff) and some of the bios which are just stubs (some of which I created, for example, for some of the presidents from the 1970s).

[edit] First Lady

I am not sure how official was the title of First Lady but Lina Moreno specifically resigned to that title. She is not the First Lady but just the wife of the President. --Carlos Th--200.93.159.114 22:16, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC) The first lady title is indeed official in Colombia, or at least usually. I didn't know of this incident thoHearth 04:03, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article is completely biased and left-wing. For example, the allegations that President Uribe favors security over poverty and stuff is unsubstantiated. Therefore, I dispute the neutrality of this article. Kapil 06:04 March 20, 2005 (GMT)

It'd be nice to discuss some more specific points, suggestions, etc. and maybe even quote some phrases or paragraphs, in order to try to properly discuss this and improve the article. I don't believe that the article is "completely biased and leftwing", though I do see why you may think that.

In my opinion, more than anything else, there's a persisting lack of basic biographical information and it does definitely need some general restructuring in any case (I haven't contributed all this myself because of time/research/procrastinating constraints, mainly)...For example, it's clear enough that a good part of the the criticism could be in a separate section and not in the heading, that the 1991 allegations could be placed in a separate article, etc. I've been somewhat thinking of doing/suggesting that before and would definitely agree with anyone else that tried to help in doing so.

But also, like it or not, I'd like to point out that those allegations do exist and are made by critics inside and outside Colombia (not just on the left-wing). You can check that easily enough by using Google and the links provided in the article itself. One may or may not disagree with them, and the way in which they are presented, but they can't be hidden. Some are more substantiated than others, of course. Evidently, it's hard to find a proper balance regarding such controversial issues, especially considering the different and contradictory points of view involved. Juancarlos2004 18:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Since nobody responded....I figured that I finally had enough time to make a considerable attempt at contributing to improve the article, so I removed the NPOV tag provisionally due to all the multiple changes implemented...it took me several hours (ouch) and the article is obviously far from perfect yet, but I tend to personally believe that it's somewhat more balanced and more complete than before, including both positive and negative information. Thoughts? Juancarlos2004 07:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Poverty over....?

I'm not sure where this information came from but I clearly recall in one of the Presidents speeches that it was not the welfare system that the people wanted but instead better education so that they will be able to prosper and not be in poverty. His cousin also happens to be my step-mother and I'm in agreement this was written by some far left-winged who clearly is mistaken. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.154.87.31 (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] manipulating statistics

there's an article that says uribe manipulates crime statistics to make colombia seem safer than it actually is. maybe this could be included under the criticism section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.116.54.170 (talk) 01:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC).