Talk:ZGMF-X10A Freedom Gundam
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[edit] Merging ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom Gundam into Here
Since the Gundam Seed meta-series is to be set as a trilogy, and given the existence of the ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom, it can be speculated that the ZGMF-X10A Freedom is only the first of the "Freedom" class of mobile suits --Pfalcone 01:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I prefer these page still separate because of notability and quite different features. It is like why separate F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle; F/A-18 Hornet and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Strike Freedom is a distinct, evolutionary upgrade to the Freedom Gundam. May be if possible, I would say if any new "Freedom" MS should come out in the next Gundam Seed, we just merge them in Freedom-class Mobile Suit (Gundam SEED) (since there is another Gundam named as Freedom). Draconins 10:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think we need to rename this article. Just treat SF and whatever new Freedom as variants. L-Zwei 10:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am still not convinced that they are variants because: Different engine, major evolution on weaponry system (Not only use the mere upgrade but changing some nature of weapon), different philosophy and different manufacturer. IMHO, Freedom is medium range multi lock MS (though many time Kira use it in close combat, relying on its speed) , Strike Freedom is all range MS and much well balanced (Short range improved upon the Chest, DRAGOON, and "Speculative" Joints; Long Range improved on combined rifle and DRAGOON). FYK, IMHO, Justice is close combat MS. Draconins 15:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Fine, it just that I don't think it's need to change article name. In addition, the term class rarely use for MS. We never see people call ZAKU Phantom a ZAKU-class MS for example (Gundam-type MS isn't uncommon term though). L-Zwei 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- no, it do not support that. Its like strike noir and strike. They are all in different sections.R1e2u3b4e5n6 14:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Too late, merge is result we got from AfD nom on CE era MS/MA. If we don't merge it, there is nothing to save these articles from deletion. L-Zwei 16:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Noir and Strike are variants, no major change AFAIK, compare them with combined differences of both Freedom' engines, natures of weapons, and manufacturers. I do confirm it changes the appearances, but not the others except it add weapon nature on some retracting-cable weapon. If we want to separate article on Strike Noir, we at least need to wait until Noir become more notable. It is like waiting MG or PG Model for it, or may be the next Super Robot Wars. IMHO also, you may add separate article for compiled MS in Stargazer. Draconins 14:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- no, it do not support that. Its like strike noir and strike. They are all in different sections.R1e2u3b4e5n6 14:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, Just a minutes ago, I have received phone from my home that my order for MG Model of Strike Freedom have been received. Another reason to keep separate article as the AfD, adding the notability. Well, I heard that the first batch had been sold out and that next batch would come in January , 2007. Draconins 15:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Another thing to note is similarity between F-5 Freedom Fighter and F-20 Tigershark. They have same frame while had different capability (Tough F-20 Tigershark failed). More of it, F-20 was designated F-5G. Draconins 20:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Fine, it just that I don't think it's need to change article name. In addition, the term class rarely use for MS. We never see people call ZAKU Phantom a ZAKU-class MS for example (Gundam-type MS isn't uncommon term though). L-Zwei 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am still not convinced that they are variants because: Different engine, major evolution on weaponry system (Not only use the mere upgrade but changing some nature of weapon), different philosophy and different manufacturer. IMHO, Freedom is medium range multi lock MS (though many time Kira use it in close combat, relying on its speed) , Strike Freedom is all range MS and much well balanced (Short range improved upon the Chest, DRAGOON, and "Speculative" Joints; Long Range improved on combined rifle and DRAGOON). FYK, IMHO, Justice is close combat MS. Draconins 15:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think we need to rename this article. Just treat SF and whatever new Freedom as variants. L-Zwei 10:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The Freedom and the Strike Freedom are two diffrent MS. They may look the same but thats about it, the SF is based on the Freedom the SF is not just a upgrade as the heat signature is different from the origenal Freedom.Also the most likely reason why the new SF and infinite Jusitce are based on the old ones is because of there reputation. If you would merge the two files then you should also merge the original GAT weapons because they are all based on the Duel.
- You don't notice that most of GAT-X series articles were deleted, right? L-Zwei 04:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- More than that, Heat signature doesn't fit to explain. Do you know Chaff and Flare? Flare is useful because they can cheat by pretending they are actual target. In real world, even same fighters doesn't produce same signatures. Draconins 09:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
