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[edit] Doroud

Hi dude ! I was just passing by (....) Well if everything goes as planed, Sassanid Empire will be a featured article. The first Iranian article. I'm diligently working on it and it has just received the good article banner (man its damn tough !). Could you please check and review the article, in other words Peer review it ? and also image tags, could you check those too ? 9:27 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See what the Anti-Iranians are Doing?

They are not trying to change the definition of Iranian peoples iinto just a alnguage to work around what is happening in the Kurdish articles, becuase they know reality is going to hit them and Kurds will soon be defined as an Iranian people. They now work to undermine the definition of Iranian people into just a lingustic group with no cultural or historic or ethncial relationship those making seperation between Iranians easier.

[edit] About Gilaki

An open letter written by Gilaki students and university profs. about their mother tongue, in which they clearly call it Zaban-e Gilaki(Gilaki language), not dialect (Gooyesh). [1] Take a look at this on-line dictionary [2]. Also from a technical point of view: Unlike Persian, most possessives and adjectives precede the head noun, similar to English.Encyclopaedia Iranica Heja Helweda 05:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Azeris and Indo-Scythians

-Zereshk, this is Afghan Historian, you probably remember me. I'm working on a new page dealing with Azeri's and I would like to know if you have done any work regarding them. I would appreciate your help. Specifically I would like to know whether you would classify them as Turkic or Iranian. Several people claim them to be a Persian people that have been Turkified and others claim vice versa. Also, I was wondering if you knew anything about the Scythians and their invasion of the area now known as Pakistan and India and of the groups descended from them. On the Rajput page, I try bringing to light the Scythian ancestry of these groups but many other users instead revert to discussion about the mythological origins of these groups. You seem to have a good knowledge of Iranian studies from what read of your comments on the Freddie Mercury discussion (hope no hard feelings there). -User: Afghan Historian

[edit] Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive

Please vote in favour of improvement of History of Iran in Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive. It requires a massive amount of work. Amir85 11:44, February 24, 2006 (UTC)

Hi, alaraqme inke hichkodoom az editorha hanooz natoonestand hiiich madrake qane konandei erAe bedan ama man baz ham hazer shodeam be harfayshan goosh bedam bebinam chi migan. Yek safhaye bahs barangiz w nashenakhte, bedon manba, wa qeyre qabel eslah.Diyako Talk + 23:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

اولا همین بدبینی و پیش قضاوت های نادرست شماهاست که‌ عامل اصلی این همه‌ بحرانها و وقت کشی ها میشود. دوما طبق قوانین ویکیپدیا این شمایید که‌ باید ثابت کنید همچنین چیزی با همچین معنی وجود دارد نه‌ من معنی دقیق آن را همه‌ شما ها بهتر از من میدانید. حتی با اولین سرچ ها در گوگل میتوان چندین منبع برای معنی دقیق ان به‌ دست اورد که‌ به‌ معنی مردمانی است که‌ در ایران زندگی میکنند. معنی ادعا شده‌ در مقاله‌ غیر حقیقی و نتیجه‌ استنباط و نتیجه‌ گیریهای شخصی است که‌ هیچ انسان نوترالی نمیتواند آن را قبول کند Diyako Talk + 23:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian peoples

Hello Zereshk. I've already noticed the discussion regarding the word "Aryan". As you might know, I am currently busy with removing POV from Safavids. I'll focus on Iranian peoples when I've more time.

Btw, the expression "Iranian peoples" and "Aryans" is also used by the The Circle of Ancient Iranian Studies.

And here is another interesting article: "THE ORIGIN OF THE PRE-IMPERIAL IRANIAN PEOPLES" by Dr. Oric Basirov

Tajik 00:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


I have written a little bit, I mean when it comes to 'Iranian people', it brings up the whole Pan-Iranism in my opinion, perhaps we should put it up for votes? I am sure one or two Kurds will not win this over. This video is quite funny by the way: http://www.pan-iranism.com/test6.swf - If there is anything else I can do let me know. I didn't take that picture, I was told it was done in Tehran, but that guy also visited Kish in his visit to Iran too, so it could have been there too --Kash 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

That tag is only a suggestion. Do not revert it please. Diyako Talk + 01:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I see you have been experimenting with Wikipedia. Your change was determined to be unhelpful, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

[edit] Iranian Kurdistan

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Iranian Kurdistan. I understand your fustration with the edit conflict on Iranian peoples: Diyako should absolutely not have re-applied the tag after you had removed it. But responding in a similar fashion violates WP:POINT. I know it's hard to keep calm when someone else is behaving unreasonably, but one can sure try! Thank you. GeorgeStepanek\talk 02:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't like your personal attacks

This is the third time. This time you called me an ethnically driven bigot [3]. What are you so enraged about? Please calm down.Heja Helweda 02:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Stop attacking Persia and Iran.--Zereshk 04:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't like personal attacks

This is the fourth time Edit summary of Iranian Kurdistan (where you said I know you hate Persians. Take your hatred elsewhere). We just have a technical disagreement, which can be worked out by compromise. Heja Helweda 04:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Stop attacking Persia and Iranians.--Zereshk 04:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Iranian peoples pic

Ok, I can't think of who to add right now, but I'll try to do it sometime. Ah, I see you've met the Kurdish editors. I've had some disputes with them awhile back, mainly over adding the fact that the Kurds are an Iranian people, which all of them deny. Oh, I was wondering, were the Safavids of Azeri origin? I've had a very long revert war with User:Tajik over this. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 06:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for you reply. I'd appreciate it that next time Tajik reverts (and when he's cooled down) that you edit the page - perhaps he'll listen to you.
Interesting theory. What do you think about the current president of Iran? He's a bit of extreme on issues, don't you think? And about Heja and Diyako trying to break up the ethnic groups of Iran, I recall watching the BBC once, and they were interviewing the son of the Shah, who lives somewhere outside of Los Angeles. He was saying, "It's not about the past, it's not about me, it's not about monarchy - it's about the right of the Iranian people to choose freely they want for themselves. What I want people to understand is that it's a race against time. Will Iran become a democracy first or will this regime have it's bomb?" [4] And I was thinking, this is exactly what the US government wants him to say! But what they really want to do is have the old regime once again.
About the poetry, does it have to be at the very top of the page? Just wondering.
I originally thought that you were an admin but I guess you aren't. Are there any Iranian admins? --Khoikhoi 07:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, about that. Would you support me if I were to run for admin? Just a thought. ;) --Khoikhoi 00:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks. Btw, it looks like the Kurdish editors have got into a major dispute with the Iranian editors on the Iranian peoples page. --Khoikhoi 00:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ibn Sina

Someone in the Ibn Sina page is deleting the word Persian everyday and I have to put it back on. I gave him three sources that Ibn Sina was identified as Iranian or Persian (including Britannica) and he still edits it. Is there anyway I can stop him? In my opinion he is breaking the rules since I have sources and he does not. I would appreciate your help.

He is also saying that Uzbekistan and Afghanistan were not parts of Persia at the time of his birth but instead parts of the Islamic Caliphate

Is this true? Of course this does not make Ibn Sina any less Persian/Iranian but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks


Gol 17:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


Thank you Zereshk

Gol 06:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Iranian Watchdog

Aucaman and a few others like Heja Helweda and Diyako have been repeatedly and systematically vandalizing the Iran-related topics such as Persian people and Iranian peoples, propagating false information, maliciously editing/disputing/deleting without one shred of proof to backup their wild claims, applying the strawman falsification approach, trying to establish new 'facts" based on their own personal assumptions and beliefs.

In order to prevent this situation, we need to create an Iranian Watchdog on Wikipedia and guard the integrity and quality of all the Wikipedia articles that are related to Iran and Iranians. Please let me know if you think that's a good idea. --ManiF 13:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

i am kicking the ass of this idiot salafi zora can u help me in kicking her ass please --82.194.62.22 17:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Nima. I also think it is a good idea to set up some kind of project to keep Iranian pages free of such wrongful accusations. What is your opinion? Shervink 19:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)shervink
It's a good idea, but I wouldnt know what exactly could we do. We have no Iranian admin, funny as it sounds. (we had some, but they have long gone and dont edit anymore).--Zereshk 00:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Can't we nominate someone? This situation is really bothering me, separatists and bigots are using wikipedia as a platform to propagate against Iranians, we need to start the group, get a page for it on wikipedia, then expand and organize our activities from there. Please get an expert wikipedian to creat the group. We'll take it from there. --ManiF 02:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


These people are crazy. One of them was claiming that Persians are nothing but a Semitic-Turkic combination!!! And that he wants to prove it to the world!

Gol 07:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

here ..These guys are extremley illusional, we are at a war!

Zereshk, can we nominate you to be an admin? --Kash 10:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at this: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Iran. oh, you where there. That isnt good enogh? --Striver 10:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


It's better to have a new group from scratch and expand on the principle of defending the integrity, quality and security of Iran-related articles. I can plug it on several sites once the group is established to attract new quality users to help. Meanwhile, what do you guys think of an online conference on yahoo or MSN regarding the establishment, and implication of this group? --ManiF 21:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comments would be appreciated

Systematic vandalism on Iran-related articles reported: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako

Your comments would be appreciated

[edit] Happy Wikipedia's 1 MILLIONTH!!

Happy Wikipedia's 1 MILLIONTH!! --(Aytakin) | Talk 23:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Iran

I know from past experience that an Open Tasks template really increases productivity. So I created one for Wikiproject Iran. Please keep an eye on it, and make use of it. deeptrivia (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Request for Mediation - Persians

Please voice your opinions and present facts and sources in the comment section here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02_Persian_people

ManiF 22:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] question

hi Zereshk, I was wondering what you think about adding clerical titles to ayatollahs, etc. just like western clergy, for example Thomas Cardinal Wolsey. I personally would prefer if ayatollahs are also listed with their title, but I don't know any Persian or Iranian users here to gauge the opinions... with kind regards Gryffindor 01:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeh, I think the titles should be included. That is how they are officially addressed in the media and literature.--Zereshk 22:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User Aucaman

Please go to the following page and help me combat anti-Iranianism made by one particular user who is doing sneaky vandalism on most Persian related articles due to political and Zionist reasons, which have no place in an encyclopedia. The link that suports banning this user is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aucaman, and also Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people. This would be appreciated. Zmmz 07:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Genetics Test

Go here,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Genetic_origins_of_the_Kurds, and vote `strong delete` please, so a certain user would no longer be able to use some psuedoscience genetic test about `Kurds`, and constantly insert in the Iranian people article. Zmmz 07:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khwarezmia

Greetings. In Khwarezmia#Early history you added a statement by Biruni. Could you also provide a translation? Also, is Biruni's claim specifically about the language spoken by the inhabitants of the area in "the very early part of its history"? If not, the statement does not belong in this section. Lambiam 18:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Could you also answer my second question, about what period of history this refers to? Lambiam 21:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Personal attacks

Regarding this edit: Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. --InShaneee 23:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, and it's provided in the link above. The fact stands: Keep your comments civil, or you may be blocked for your behavior. --InShaneee 23:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Content Dispute

I'm going to try and mediate the Iranian peoples dispute here could you please post your arguments there and we'll try and come to an reasonable comprimise -- Tawker 00:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:ShervinK

I can't seem to find him/her on user talk, did you typo on the user name? -- Tawker 00:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Attacks

Ok, it seems apparent that some name calling has been going on, but continuing to point fingers at each other over who did it first etc isn't going to help improve what Wikipedia is about (the article). I hope you both can simply exchange wiki handshakes, realize that something happened that shouldn't have and consider the matter closed -- Tawker 00:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


I certainly agree with that, but I have to tell you, there is no end to this, users Diyako, Heja Helwelda, and Aucaman seem to be ideologically driven. And, when politics comes into this, then beleive me cross-out the word compromise. NOTHING, seems to work with these three users; providing refrences, mediation pages, third opinions, warnings; nothing works.Zmmz 01:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

huh, tell me about it.--Zereshk 01:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I saw that Diyako had many personal attacks on you, especially calling you a terrorist. I'd like you to express this especially on these matters. Thanks. --Kash 11:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Alternate

Hi, if you haven`t done so already, then go to the following links and quickly vote either ``Strongly delete``, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurdistan-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdistan_stubs, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Kurdistan. Also, please go to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako. ``I support`` the blocking of user Aucauman, Diyako, and Heja Helwelda. This is [so] tiresome. Thanks Zmmz 01:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kendo pics

Salam,

See the Kendo pics I took with your camera on my page. (didnt know how to adjust shutter speed). I also used your idea of putting them in a gallery.

mersee.--Nightryder84 04:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intellectual movements

Dear Zereshk, That would be very helpful if you could take a look at the page that I initiated about school of thoughts and philosophy in Iran. Take care. --Joe Dynue09:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elton Daniel's figures concerning Khuzestani Arabs

Do you have a copy of Elton Daniel's History of Iran? If I remember correctly, he states that the population of Khuzestani Arabs was 600,000. Would you be able to verify this? Since Bani Torof's estimates are included in the article, I think we should also include Daniel's in the appropriate section. SouthernComfort 10:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Khasteh nabashi. SouthernComfort 11:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian Revolution

Is it just me or are there some serious POV problems with that article? SouthernComfort 17:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't give up

You are not alone, we are here to help. But if you give up, others will too. We need to be united in our fight to protect wikipedia from racially and politically motivated vandalism. --ManiF 20:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ferdowsi Award

I have rewarded you with the most precious Iranian award, The Ferdowsi award! (see your user page) to show you that your outstanding efforts will not be forgotten. Please feel free to take as much break as you want, we got your back now. --Kash 23:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Jalaseh_Majles.jpg

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[edit] Image:Jalaseh Majles.jpg

This image was uploaded with a fairuse tag. I had already cleared it with the admin User:wikiacc. The copyright holder source info and link was already provided. I dont know why it was marked.--Zereshk 08:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the edit history, what happened was:
  1. You uploaded it, tagged as "promotional photo"
  2. Wikiacc tagged it as "fair use, replacement requested, on the grounds that it should be possible to make a free-license replacement
  3. Quadell tagged it as PD because Iran is not a signatory to the Berne Convention
  4. Gmaxwell tagged it as "no license" because here on Wikipedia, we pretend that Iran is a signatory
Hope this clears things up. --Carnildo 08:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

indeed. that's why wikiacc advised me to upload ISNA images under fairuse. What do you think?--Zereshk 08:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

If it's from an actual press kit or equivalent, then tag it {{promotional}}. Otherwise, it's not being used for identification and critical commentary, so it's hard to claim "fair use". --Carnildo 03:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Azeri

Hi Zereshk, i want to ask a personal question. How Azeris in Iran define themselves? Turkic or Iranian. You are good in drawing. Who is this "Anime by nima" ?--Ugur Basak 09:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Greetings,
The Azeris in Iran think of themselves as ethnically Azeri, but also Iranian as well, no doubt. Think of Texas: they are proud of being recognized as discreet and separate ("the lone star state", the "Republic of Texas"), and yet they want to be American as well.
See Tabriz's page. Tabriz has always been one of the most patriotic Iranian cities in history. There are more Nationalist Iranian revolutionaries from Tabriz than any other Iranian city in recent history (except Tehran of course. But even then, you'd be surprised at the number of Azeris even in Tehran :) ).
But then again, we like our Azeri-ness to be recognized too.
BTW, I'd love to visit Turkey one day. Gotta see the Dervishes. :)--Zereshk 11:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
There are many Iranian tourists visiting Turkey especially İstanbul. There is an Azeri users on Azeri wikipedia. He is not so active but one of the first Azeri speaking users and helped there. But as he said, he is Iranian Azeri and not good at in Azeri language. In your user page there is no mention about Azeri language. Will the number of Azeri language speakers decreasing in Iran ? --Ugur Basak 12:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
After all there are about 3 times more Azeri people living in Iran than Azerbaycan. Take care --Ugur Basak 12:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AT&T

The deal appears to be the largest yet among U.S. telecom players and goes a long way toward resurrecting the old Ma Bell telephone system, which was broken apart in 1984 ... The deal furthers the reunification of the Baby Bells, the eight regional telephone operators that were spun off from the old AT&T in 1984 under a federal court order. [5]

As if the government actions in 1984 never even happened since it's all returning to the original point. Talk about living in a bizarre world that makes no sense. SouthernComfort 09:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arabs of Khuzestan - Zora yet again

Please see Talk:Arabs of Khuzestan if you have time (and the patience to deal with Zora yet again). Her accusations against me never end. She wants to go to ArbCom, and I'm prepared to do so. SouthernComfort 12:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Man, the insanity never ends, does it? But at least these articles are becoming more and more accurate despite attempts to ruin them with personal opinions and speculation. SouthernComfort 13:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Farhad Ardalan

Thanks for your reply on my talk page. --Zeelkey13:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kitab al-Fihrist

Hi Zereshk, I have noticed through your articles you seem to have alot of books/sources related to middel-eastern history. I was wondering if you ever have got a hand on Kitab al-Fihrist by Ibn al-Nadim. Im sure you know what this book is about, Its is considered one of the most important sources for islamic historians. Jidan 02:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shabankareh

Thanks for posting the image of the page from Dehkhoda [6]. It is very nice.Heja Helweda 04:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Perry on Bani Ka'b

Zereshk, do you have a copy of the 1971 Perry article on the Bani Ka'b? SouthernComfort is citing it, but he hasn't read it and neither have I. He says that either you or Heja introduced it as a reference. It's possibly out of date, but I'd like to see what it says. You could post the article on my talk page, or email me a PDF, whatever. I would very much appreciate it. Zora 08:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian cuisine merged with Iranian cuisine

The two articles were merged into Iranian cuisine, apparently at the request of Aucaman. I didn't even realize that they were to be merged. Do you think this was a good idea? IMHO, the article has become too long as a result. I think they should be separated again. What are your thoughts? SouthernComfort 13:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article improvement drive

Please vote for Iran on Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive#Iran_.2828_votes.2C_stays_until_March_25.29 if you haven't done yet. Mahanchian 20:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greater Iran

In reality I think it should include Armenia, Ossetia, how about Bahrain, etc? Could you look it up? --Kash 22:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

True, but currently the article doesn't mention Armenia, Ossetia, etc? I can't add it because I don't have any sources beside Pan-Iranism.com who actually recognises Georgia to be part of it! (even I wouldn't go THAT far!) --Kash 23:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I understand about the cultural ties and influences.. and yes I agree. Problem is that many Georgians see Iran's rule as invasion I believe and Russians rule as 'protection', although they also know that thousands of them were killed under Russian and Soviet secret service --Kash 00:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

OK: I have uploaded a new map, see Greater Iran, it might need to be checked and definately backed by sources --Kash 01:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aucaman

I'd appreciate it if you could sign this, if you agree: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Aucaman, Ba sepaas --Kash 23:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh God.

A pan-turk attacked Norouz today, he removed everything about it, and replaced it with how Turkic it really is! I almost laughed! --Kash 11:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cambridge History of Iran vol.3

Hi man. Do you know any online library where I can access this book ? Amir85 09:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I thought you might be interested in this.Endorse if you agree with the case. --ManiF 03:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Arkansas State University...

It's a shame you didn't get to see your ASU fees put to good use --- the Student Union is actually pretty nice.

So did you actually have a good ASU experience? Or was it mediocre punctuated by the (very) occasional good teacher/class/moment? You can probably guess my experience based on the question.  ;)SFT | Talk 23:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Red needs to go, but it's not likely to happen. He won mascot-of-the-year at some mascot competition in Florida a year or two ago. The ASU administration is campaigning hard to have our traditions designated as "respectful emulation" of tribal practices, but little facts like "No Indians in Arkansas ever wore headdresses or did anything else our Indian Family does at games" will probably win out, and we'll officially become The Arkansas State Red.
Blechh. SFT | Talk 06:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tahrirolvasyleh

Hey, thanks for dropping by there... can you provide us with any publication data on this book? If there is a library of congress number, ISBN, whatever Iranian produced texts use? Do you know if there has been an English translation (by a notable / not highly biased source)? Any of that would be great because we can't leave the article as it was. gren グレン 00:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Al Khwarizmi

The Al Khwarizmi article is a mess.Zmmz 00:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for the award banner. Zmmz 08:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian Wikipedians' Notice Board (WatchDog)

Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iranian articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF 15:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Afd time

Care to vote?

--Striver 23:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, take a look: [7] [8] [9] [10]. --Striver 23:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afd of The Shi'a Guild

Should the guild go? I am the only one finding it usefull? I am a burden to wikipedia?

give your opinion, only a vote wont do:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam:The Shia Guild

--Striver 12:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reza Abbasi

Please see the article - paints the man as a pederast and doesn't give any source for this information (that explicitly states that he was such a character). SouthernComfort 20:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Persian arts template

Hi; I just noticed this template, and I wanted to let you know that it looks really great. Best wishes, Tom Harrison Talk 22:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hadith articles

Striver has made a bunch of articles with translated English names that are not in wide use (meaning, upon google searching you get only Wikipedia). If you know the Arabic names can you add them and standard transliteration / translation if you know it? I think it will help in salvaging those articles since as of now it looks a lot like original research. Thanks. gren グレン 10:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Look at what Acuman is trying to pull on the Iran page

Friend,

Go read the Iran discussion and see what Acuman is trying to do with Iran's name. He is stating it was changed from Iran to Persia becuase of the Germans. He is very underhanded. 69.196.139.250 04:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

May I also say thank you brother, we will strive for the truth and justice together, but we need not stress about it. Truth always wins. 69.196.139.250 04:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote

Zereshk, im writing to you personaly, your vote is needed here:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam:The Shia Guild

Give it five minutes, it deserves that. khodafez --Striver 16:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some articles

Hi Zereshk, Can you help with the Shia-Sunni part of the article Tahrif: [[11]]

And also the articles: Surat al–nurayn and Surat_al-wilaya

Thanks. --Aminz 20:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Zereshk, You are right. Good luck on your studies. Shad va movafagh bashi, --Aminz 08:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help

Zereshk, please help me out with User:CltFn on Ruhollah Khomeini. He keeps adding a section claiming that he Khomeini said that a man can have sex with children. His source is Tahrirolvasyleh, it's not even proven that he wrote it! --Khoikhoi 07:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I reverted it and warned him against vandalizing the page again. That information could be construed as slander. Cheers! --Scaife (Talk) Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 08:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Wait one or two days with the Tahrirolvasyleh until I've got a chance to check one source. It seems more than clear to me that the book is genuine; the only remaining question is that of the relation between the Arab-language "Tahrir al-Wasilah" and the Persian-language "Resaleh towzih al-masael", which is apparently a fiqh work of a similar nature and may just be a Persian translation of the same book, according to all I've found. Of the latter work, there is a widely available English translation (A clarification of questions : an unabridged translation of Resaleh towzih al-masael, Boulder: Westview Press, 1984. ISBN: 0865318549). I hope to have it by the end of this week. More then. Lukas (T.|@) 13:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you please check Mullah?

An anon changed the Persian word for mullah in the Mullah article, and I don't know if it's a change for better or for worse -- or if someone has put in an obscenity. Could you please check? Zora 11:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Zora 21:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khuzestan census

Are there any more recent census figures other than the 1996 census which reports 3.7 million residents? I haven't been able to find any. SouthernComfort 20:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Total, for the general population, since I doubt the government provides any ethnically or lingustically based data. The State Department report that Ahwaz provided (see my comments on Talk:Arabs of Khuzestan regarding this matter) alleges that there are between 2 to 4 million Arabs in Khuzestan. And of course, Bani-Torof's report alleges over 4 million (back in 1996). So, it's not difficult to do the math and see that there is a problem here, and yet the range I provided, which I felt was reasonable and adhered to both Ethnologue and CIA, was rejected. So anyway, I've suggested removing the ethnobox entirely. But it would still be worthwhile to acquire more recent census data as far as the general population is concerned. SouthernComfort 20:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
That's very interesting, considering their estimate is 4,277,998. That means, considering the idea that there are "4 million or more" Arabs in Khuzestan, that there are only less than 300,000 or so Persians, Lurs, Laks, and Bakhtiaris - not to mention other peoples inhabiting the province! SouthernComfort 21:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iran pictures on the french WP, thanks

Hi Zereshk, I just wanted to thank you for all the pictures you uploaded on the english WP about Iran. I'm using them as much as I can to add iran-related content on the french WP. My editorial interests being the same as yours, I'm trying to work on french content; and once again, thanks for your work here. Fabienkhan 21:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Iranian art template

Don't you think we need a Persian/Iranian culture templte?

e.g. Adabo-rosoom (ta'rof, mard-salary..etc), Music, etc? just an idea --Kash 00:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just wanted to mention

You are a fantastic artist. -- Samir (the scope) 02:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian "notice board"

Zereshk, could you please see my comments on your "notice board" I made at the Aucaman RfC and at SouthernComfort's talk page? I'd earnestly request you to consider stopping this type of behaviour on the notice board. Lukas (T.|@) 09:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Zereshk, but my request was not so much about the person Zora, but about the use of your notice board in general. Please do consider what I wrote on the RfC. This notice board is likely to get you folks into a lot of trouble. To be frank with you, I think it is a disgrace to Wikipedia and really needs to go. Lukas (T.|@) 10:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Zereshk, please check this out. Your comments would be appreciated. --ManiF 14:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norouz

Doroud, how can we make this article better to perhaps get it featured for 21st? --MysticRum 17:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khaneqah/khanqah/tekke

I think we agreed to merge khaneqah and tekke, and then didn't do it. An anon came along and insisted that khanqah was the preferred spelling. I was going to revert it, and then checked -- khanqah gets many many more google hits than khaneqah! Even more than tekke! I suggest that we set up redirects from khaneqah and tekke to khanqah, and move all info to the new article. OK with you? Zora 04:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inquiry

Hi, I just was curious if your views were represented accurately in this page[12](regarding the third paragraph). Zmmz 04:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Please take a look at this, if you have time. Cheers! --TomJenson17:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help

Hi Zereskhk, would you please help me with the vandal on Iranian peoples? He/she keeps removing the picture without any explanation. --Khoikhoi 22:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Next time he/she reverts I'll report em. Btw, you're half Azeri, right? Would you be able to tell me something? I was wondering if most Azeris (both in Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan) consider themselves to be a Turkic people. I've encountered some users who say that they identify also as being an Iranian people. Which one is true? Is it as simple as I think it is? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 22:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
They reverted again. Please help. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 22:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your perspective

Zereshk, I've taken the question of InShaneee's neutrality or lack thereof, to another administrator [13] as a first step before filing an official complaint, if needed. You can share your own experience, and lend a helpful perspective given that you've been involved in all of this. --ManiF 10:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh and have you seen Newroz? Diyako has changed the page "Newroz" from being a redirect of Norooz to a new article of its own. I'm not sure what to do about this. --ManiF 18:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'll help you edit

Just communicate with me. I really appreciate your work. 69.196.139.250 20:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz

FOr Noruz....we are actually now havbing the efinition of Noruz attacked by anti-Iranians!

User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

69.196.139.250 21:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Please help me out with the Norouz situation we have over here. Diyako created articles about the Kurdish version of the holiday and the Turkic version. I would really prefer it if we had them all in one article, so I changed the definition to make it acceptable to all groups, not just Persians. Still, Diyako insists that the Kurdish version needs it's own article, for reasons he hasn't stated. What do you think we should do? I added merge tags to all the articles for now. --Khoikhoi 21:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, good idea. You should include it in the "on this day" section. Also, in the afds, you'll have to convince the people that the holidays are the same. Give examples such as the fact that we don't have an article about the Russian version of Christmas. --Khoikhoi 21:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Azeri

That's interesting. So the Azeris are a Turkic people? I was told somewhere that they are an Iranian people who simply speak a Turkic language.

Anyways, thanks for the info. By the way, when should we merge the Newroz article? --Khoikhoi 23:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diyako

Isn't it possible to get Diyako banned from WP? I mean, after all, the fellow is clearly a lunatic, nothing that he says makes any sense, and he is not even hiding his evil intentions very properly. Shervink 23:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

[edit] HOw do I report Diyako to the ArbBrd?

GO see his talk pages and the comments he said including the Farsis statment. After he was told that Farsi should not be used and is offensive to certain users he dilberatly insiste on using it to arouse anger. Also I made clear warning about the Kurdish flag on the Kurdistan page about the fake sources. He has placed fake sources. Check them out they are random or not related. They are neither proof or verification. He says the Kurdish flag is criminal in Iran and it was him and someone else in the past I think that state it carried the death sentence. This is clear violaation, but of what and how do I report him? 69.196.139.250 02:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survival of nowruz

Respected ustad zereshk

In order to reach a solution over the recent nowruz merge issue I suggested to the user Diyako to rephrase the kurdish aspects under a title like ...newroz and the recent kurdish history or newroz survival and politics wherein you could with the help of other editors emphasise how the survival of this festival amid attacks of cultural wipeout by khomeinism among other anti culture movements has become a symbol of an ancient unified heritage

Seeing that you are well read in the chapters of the Islamic conquest see if you can convince our kurdish brother no matter what his edit history into such morphogenesis and add episodes regrading the sruggle for survival of this festival under the arab rule

Again a happy newroz to all kurds Lurs Azeris Baluchs Tajiks Gilakis Mazis and all the other glorious flowers on this beautiful carpet of human history and culture--Loosekarma 03:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail me!

Request for jaryun! Manik666 03:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ostud, my e-mail too! Still waiting. Manik666 04:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Give me a link to your talk page and give me your email address.--Zereshk 05:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CLEAR evidence on Acuman; here is part of the evidence

It has to do with an old discussion in the Kurds and Kurdistan articles and how it was being vandalized and phoney sources were being used. It was pointed out to user:Acuman and Heja, but they ignored it. Read my talk page. It gives you the lead and the trail. The digging in the archieves someone else can do. If you succeed in digging it up from the archeieves you can prove that this group of users are biased and with an agenda. I have just proved user:Diyako is on a agenda on my talk page and with my evidence. He has been caught red handed. Manik666 04:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Har Roozetan Norouz, Norouzetan Pirooz هر روزتا ن نوروز , نوروزتان پيروز . Amir85 13:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbcom

Sorry for doing this on Norouz, but I've named you as a potential party tangentially involved in the Aucaman Arbcom case, as the case might be widened to review the "Iranian Watchdog" activities. Please see WP:RFAR. Thank you, --Lukas (T.|@) 10:59, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HAPPY NEW YEAR

Napeydayi! chera kheyli kam hasti ru khat? Diyako Talk + 10:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persepolis Recreated - The Movie Documentary

Seized and burned by Alexander the Great's conquering army, shaken by uncounted earthquakes, eroded by 25 centuries of rain, fluctuating temperatures and scouring winds, Persepolis-the greatest of the royal residences of ancient Persia-is a definitive ancient ruin.

Yet, the place remains an awesomely impressive sight 2,500 years after it was built. Even today, those who step up to its gigantic terrace of 125,000 square meters and see its majestic columns are filled with a sense of awe drifting into a dream-like trance.

A dream in which one tries to visualize the beauty and dazzling splendor of Persepolitan palaces before their sad destruction.

"Persepolis Recreated" is the name of the most recent documentary film , which is available and you can view here online at this site: Persepolis Recreated - Reconstruction of Persepolis


[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiethics

Hi,

We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.

Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.

If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikipedia:Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...

Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 22:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cowboy Bebop

You like Cowboy Bebop too ? Awesome ! Cowboy Bebop is the best ! Amir85 08:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The movie Cowboy Bebop : Knockin' on Heaven's Door, man the ending scenes of the movie casted "Butterfly" spell on me ! Spike, Faye Valentine, Vicious, Ein ... are impossible to forget. I've heard about Ghost in the Shell but never seen it before. Gotta watch it. How does it compare with CB ? Amir85 09:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow, Ghost in the Shell is damn complex ! Could you help me out what episodes I should watch first (SA or C)? Amir85 09:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. After getting Sassanid Empire a FA status, I think I've learnt everything needed for an article to get featured. For my next project, I'm thinking of some article about Iranian culture: Persian music or Persian literature and I need your help ! (and others !). From what I've seen, Persian literature is in a good condition (thanks to your contributions) and I believe with enough references and a bit expanding it could be easily a FA.

By the way about Ghost in the Shell, English subtitle versions are no good ? because I liked English subtitled CB more than the dubbed ones, they feel more authentic and "the way it meant to be heard". "See you Cowboy Bebop someday somewhere" Amir85 07:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

Hi, everything is well with you? I wonder if you feel to give Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timing of Sahaba becoming muslims a vote? Just hurry, the afd is closing anytime now. peace--Striver 13:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


Take a look at this: [14]--Striver 00:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JD

Well, since im the controversial guy, you know, Muslim, Shi'a, and 9/11 nut-case, they have lots of ammo against me. I think ill keep low on RFC and ArbComes for a while and just content on collecting evidence that i can present when somebody else gets enough. --Striver 00:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images needing work

Hi, the toolserver reports [15] that you have some 11 images that need tagging. Please take a moment and fix them up. Thanks! Stan 17:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian literature

Dear Zereshk, I added some info to Contemporary persian literature. I think it really needs editing. I believe it is still far from being a good article when it comes to contemporary persian literature. I think there are two very important points about Contemporary persian literature : Poetry (Nima, Shamlou, Jalali and Behbahani) and Comparative literature and literary criticism (Zarrinkoub, Meskoub and Hedayat). I tried to address Hedayat's works. however we still lack a short review on what the other 5 guys did. Are you familiar with their works ? Can you help with this part ? Thanks. --Joe Dynue12:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irani

Hello Zereshk. I was wondering if you could do a little editing for me. I wrote my first wikipedia article last week. It is about the Irani community of South Asian Zoroastrians. Would it be of any trouble if you could look at it and edit it for errors, factual or grammatical, please? I would appreciate it if you do, as I can see that you have written for this encyclopedia for a longertime than I have. Thank you. -[[Afghan Historian 00:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)]]

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Afghan Historian/Response to response to Irani

-Just type in "Irani" (minus quotations) in the search box and it should come up. Thanks -User: Afghan Historian

[edit] Re: Ziyarat

Welcome! Sure, Zereshk. It's always enriching to work on such articles, and know about new religious places. Wanted to tell you about this new stub I created on Qissa-i Sanjan. Maybe you'd know something more about it, or would know the right people. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 02:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural continent

Please see this article [16] regarding usage of this phrase. SouthernComfort 07:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] online e-book library

sounds good but I am personally extremley busy atm - please do email me the details though, thanks --Kash 01:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

- oh and by the way, my mother is going to Iran and I have given her a list of books to bring back with her! dehkhoda and just some uptodate encylopedia, history, poetry stuff, etc - any specific books you think may be useful for here? --Kash 01:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian Jews

plz take a look . The person here has a history of Islamophobic POV pushing all over WP . thanks .F.a.y.تبادله خيال /c 15:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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