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[edit] Welcome to Yousaf465's Talk page. Feel free to leave comments and criticism at the bottom of the page:

[edit] ok

DeepSpace 10:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MSN should be fine

deepspace88 @ hotmail.com DeepSpace 10:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm almost always online, so that shouldn't be a problem.

--DeepSpace 14:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pl would you help with my userboxes

they are not lining up.pl help.Yousaf465

Okay, here you go. Stifle (talk) 12:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict‎

Hi there Yousaf. I don't think you should use the informal language in this article. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 07:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:3RR

Watch out for 3RR. If you see a problem with the text, discuss it on the Talk instead of reverting. Cheers, TewfikTalk 07:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

There is really no reason for hostility. I was merely pointing out that you were engaging in problematic behaviour, as I also did to the other party in the edit-war. Cheers, TewfikTalk 15:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but my warning had nothing to do with the content that you added; I also warned the other user. I was merely letting you both know that violation of Wikipedia:Three-revert rule was approaching, and that in general it is more productive to discuss on Talk than to revert each other. I hope that you continue to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. Cheers, TewfikTalk 18:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually do have an interest in photography, though I am far from professional. Why do you ask? TewfikTalk 18:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Its funny that you mention that, as I just recently got the Canon model you mentioned as a gift and am satisfied with it, though I didn't really investigate the Sony beforehand. Wish I could be more helpful. TewfikTalk 19:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I didn't understand what you said. COuld you repeat it a little clearer? TewfikTalk 19:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I really just started using it, and so I don't think I know it well enough to analyse, especially as I haven't researched the other models and their features. I would recommend checking this, this, and this. Best of luck, TewfikTalk 22:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Ynet news.com citations

I realise they are biased but please dont delete citations, can you put them back? Thanks. 82.29.227.171 19:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC) Where to answer your query.Yousaf465

[edit] Zar'it-Ayta ash-Shab

Hello again. I'm really going to have insist that you use edit summaries, and that you explain clearly any removal of cited material. Thanks. El_C 19:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Care to comment?

There is a discussion on Roles of non-combatant State and non-State actors in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict talkpage about the inclusion of detail for Israel. I am of the view that Israel should be included but the detail is being continually removed by User:Tewfik.

Tewfik's argument is what he considers the illegality of Hezbollah under UN 1559 as the reason he removed the detail. However, Tewfik has not removed recent requests of arms sales to Israel such as jet fuel and GBU-28's. I believe he is pushing the POV that aid to Israel is only in response to the current crisis or the illegality of Hezbollah under 1559. US aid to Israel is in fact a long standing agreement responsible for the size and makeup of the IDF. Without the aid they would not have a military capable of engaging in conflict. If you can take a look and support my position (was working under 82.29.227.171) that would be great. RandomGalen 11:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mirsad-1

Thanks for catching my mistake about what was said. You are, of course correct. I should have seen that myself, since he claims that Hezbollah developed the vehicles themselves. Any idea if that can be confirmed from a verifiable source? Akradecki 20:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a shame that political reasons make it hard for us unbiased historians to record things for posterity! I agree, the UAV seems rather unsophisticated, but then again, sophistication in such things isn't necessarily that important to accomplishing the task. I guess I'm most surprised that this hasn't been done more. Any good hobby shop here in the US has RC airplanes, and some hobbyists' planes can get quite large. Akradecki 20:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Theft

I don't understand what you are referring to. Please clarify, TewfikTalk 14:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem (if I understood ). Cheers, TewfikTalk 21:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "cross-border"

This has been discussed numerous times on Talk - I suggest to review some of the archives there. In short, the UN, EU, G8, and mainstream media, including Al Jazeera, have characterised Hezbollah's raid as "cross-border." You can check more detailed citations at Ayta al-Sha`b incident. Keep in mind that Wikipedia functions not on what we percieve to be true, but on what is verifiable. Feel free to ask me any qyestions on this or other WP stuff. Cheers, TewfikTalk 07:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The Lebanese police claim is mentioned, but as it was only stated once and reported in a few articles, and not repeated by any media, and never stated officially by the Police or any other organisation (including Hizballah I believe, not that that is relevant), it doesn't deserve more than a mention. If Al Jazeera agrees to this, then it is truly consensus. Let me know, TewfikTalk 08:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I didn't quite understand your posting, but if you are concerned about a pro US bias, I repeat that Al Jazeera also reported this. And of course the EU isn't exactly an American lapdog. Anyways... TewfikTalk 08:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing sourced detail. If you disagree with these points, please raise them on the page's Talk and attempt to create a discussion. Then consensus will decide how to deal with them. TewfikTalk 08:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm aware of the criticism of Al Jazeera, but we've gotten sidetracked. The vast majority of sources have reported it as "cross-border." If that changed, or a significant minority emerged that reported it differently, that should be included. But I'm not aware of any such shift in reporting. For a start, if you can find a current article (meaning from after the first week or two of fighting, once the details became clear) that reports things differently, then post that in Talk. But do not insert this claim into the article until you've done so, and it has been confirmed by consensus on the page's Talk. Cheers, TewfikTalk 08:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not sure what you meant to say, but assuming I got the gist: Wikipedia is based on WP:Verifiability, and not truth. If there's really a mass conspiracy and the UN, EU, G8, and mainstream media as well as Al Jazeera have all fallen prey to it, then thats too bad, because we can only represent what the world accepts . Cheers, TewfikTalk 03:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

(I apologise in advance if I did not understand you) I'm not totally sure of your point, but the fact that the sources that initially reported this changed their story undermines the credibility of the original claim. (What does USSp mean?) Cheers, TewfikTalk 03:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what USSp9israeli0 means. Read through the verifiability policy - for better or for worse, that is the most important qualification for this type of issue. In terms of credibility, I was only pointing out that a lack of reprinting, and indeed a wholesale replacement with a different story, does not make the original claim seem more credible. Cheers, TewfikTalk 03:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Something for you

Here's something, you will defentily call POV, which will just prove the point.

[edit] rv vandalism

Someone deleted 90% of the page, so I reverted. Precis 13:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oil spill

The currently cited BBC report says 120 km. While what you claim is plausible, it would be ideal if you didn't change the number without a citation. Cheers, TewfikTalk 07:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the old BBC report, but it didn't say 140. The one you added is the one used now that says 120 (BBC report). Cheers, TewfikTalk 07:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
You only need one, and if the BBC report is totally repeated, remove it. The best source would be the UNEP report that Al Jazeera quoted (if you can find it on Google), as that seems to be where all the good information is. Good job, TewfikTalk 07:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure, replace the older reference with the newer one as long as no details lose their citation. Cheers, TewfikTalk 07:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't do anything to it (AFAIK), and I didn't notice any changes to it. Let me know if I missed something. As a side point, you really shouldn't remove the "convicted murderer" from in front of Samir Qantar's name, as he was convicted of killing the girl and her father etc., and doesn't deny doing so to boot (on the contrary, he believes that what he did was a heroic act against Israel). TewfikTalk 22:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Samra Airblue.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Samra Airblue.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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[edit] Casus belli

The source provided is from 7-12, and isn't indication that it has been proven true. If you can provide a current source from a RS, then we can discuss, but this has been dealt with extensively over the last month. Cheers, TewfikTalk 05:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understood you, but the source you supplied saying that Israel actually crossed into Lebanon first is from the first few days of the conflict, and has not been repeated by any verifiable source. On the contrary, the UN, EU, G8, and mainstream media, including Al Jazeera, have all characterised Hezbollah's raid as "cross border." If you find a current source presenting an alternative version, please let me know or post it to Talk. (I also didn't understand your previous comments) Cheers, TewfikTalk 19:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: do you exist here

AA Yousaf. Yes, you have found another Pakistani Wikipedian! ..perhaps we can collaborate on articles of mutual interest? Talk to you soon. - Sohailstyle UTC 18:40, August 27, 2006

[edit] Re: Intelligence service

That is an interesting aobservation you made there that I may be an Intel agent. Is there any particular reason to suspect that I may be working for any Intelligence service? :-) --Idleguy 02:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you are letting your imagination run wild. I wish I were an intel agent, driving a car with missiles like James Bond, but unfortunately I am not. --Idleguy 14:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Watching/Reading too many spy thrillers, haven't you? --Idleguy 17:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

If I were a real spy, I'd have tracked your location by now and... You get the idea. --Idleguy 16:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikipedia on mobile

See Wikipedia:WAP access Tra (Talk) 12:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

If you want it actually on the Wikimedia servers, you could file a feature request at Bugzilla. Tra (Talk) 15:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean have it as a separate wiki? You can propose new projects at Meta:Proposals_for_new_projects Tra (Talk) 18:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hongdu JL-8

The previous comment was based on incorrect information, and I've corrected it. — Impi 10:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The information was not added to the article itself, and I therefore think your statement is entirely unjustified. If you insist on speaking to other editors with such undisguised arrogance, then I fear you shall not find much willing co-operation coming your way. I would keep that in mind if I were you. — Impi 20:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PNS Behr Paima

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[edit] Energy portal

Hi! As a contributor to WikiProject Energy development, I thought you might like to be aware of the opportunity to contribute to the new Energy Portal, now that there is one... No need to reply. Gralo 17:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 North Korean nuclear test

Good Hello. I've reverted your recent edit to the 2006 North Korean nuclear test article as it seemed pretty POV and did not provide a source or any evidence. If you do have evidence to back up your claim, please start a thread here on the discussion page and discuss. Cheers. L0b0t 17:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

"your revert in my pov seems as biased bcz you have servered with U.S military so might be little predijuied about anything said against it.ThnaksYousaf465"
I understand your concern. If you have a source for your claim, please feel free to put it back in the article. Cheers. L0b0t 17:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


Fantastic, I eagerly await your posting of the source. Cheers. L0b0t 13:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
A source in Urdu is not going to be verifiable by most of us. If you can't find a good source in English then you probably aren't going to be convincing anybody. See our policies on Verifiability and Reliable Sources. In any case, all reputable English sources say that Khan confessed to providing technology to North Korea; I haven't seen anything that would make me doubt that. The article does not, however, say or even imply that this had anything to do with the nuclear test, of which there is simply no evidence either way at the moment (there is far too little known about what Khan gave to North Korea to really know about that at this point, in my opinion). And for the record I haven't served in the U.S. military. --Fastfission 23:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure you English is good enough to really carry on meaningful conversation here — you seem to have totally missed my point. My point is that there is no way to know, at the moment, whether the technology sold to North Korea had anything to do with the test or not. As for the source in Urdu, if the only source of something as important as that is unavailable in English, and is in fact available from only one website, then it probably is not a "reliable source" as defined in our reliable source policy. The use of non-English sources is reserved for pretty limited cases where there is no reason for something to exist in English — something as important as this would definitely have reason to exist in English if it were reliable.
As for the plutonium question; personally I think that the device probably was plutonium (North Korean plutonium production was far ahead of their uranium production, as far as anyone knows), but at the moment there is no real way to know. In any case, it is not clear what technology Khan actually sold to North Korea — in the case of Libya, for example, he sold both centrifuges for uranium enrichment as well as nuclear bomb designs. Even with a plutonium core it is possible that Khan network technology had something to do with the North Korean bomb. We just don't know at this stage either way.
The Khan line is a single piece of background information to which not a lot of attention is given — the place it is in the text is meant only to imply that this was part of the way in which North Korea was circumventing the Agreed Framework of 1994. It does not imply that there was any Khan connection to this test. I fear your English is not good enough to recognize this, though, and I do not meant this as a slur (my Urdu is certainly nonexistent). --Fastfission 00:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits to the "Ahmadi" article

Hi, I've reverted some of your edits to the "Ahmadi" article. I have tried to give details of the reasons on the Ahmadi Discussion page. Best regards, Nazli 18:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and comments. I have responded to them on the Ahmadi Discussion page so other interested parties can also contribute to the disucssion if they want. Regrds. Nazli 04:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you again for your comments. I have replied on the Ahmadi discussion page again since I believe that this discussion is important and should be as universally visible as possible so if they desire, other parties can also take an interest and comment. Best regards. Nazli 09:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. You will find my reply on the Ahmadi dsicussion page. Best regards Nazli 17:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] country

im not sure what you mean, but im from canada, china,and pakistan--AeomMai 13:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

==please don't mess up Gutenberg== Reverts and multiple major edits of the sort I found there today do not help. I've postingthe identical note on another page as well.DGG 06:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] apology for the above

Apologies--the above note was meant for someone else. I had to many windows open. Please feel free to blank it. ~~

[edit] re the link you referred me to

Thank you for the link to the BBC site. Unfortuantely the links does not work. I would like to read this reference, could you please check to see if the address you gave me is correct. Thank you. Nazli 15:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VP approval

Please spend some time vandal fighting manually then I may reconsider or seek views from other VP moderators.--Andeh 17:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] MQ-1 Predator edit

Thanks for your edit to the Predator page, but I noticed that your contribution was uncited. Those of us working the UAV project are striving hard to produce Feature-article quality text, so citations of any information are highly important. Whenever you add information like this, please cite a reliable reference for it. I've rewritten the paragraph to conform to the ABC news report, and added a citation. Feel free to edit it further, but at the same time, any further information needs to be cited. Thanks! Akradecki 16:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

i have added the citations to the said article.thanksYousaf465
I've gone back and added the ABC and CNN reports and their information. On Wikipedia, they are considered proper, independent sources, and your deletion of them could be viewed as POV. I've also cleaned up the grammar on the sections you added. Finally, when adding source info, please use the Template:Cite web. Akradecki 20:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cite web template,I was searching for it but couldn't find it.Now onwards i will this temp.About cnn and abc i would like to say that as this strike was conducted on pakistani soil so a local paper such as dawn's sources will be more realiable than a foregin one so i was following the dawn report.If it had been a new york air strike i could have followed the cnn.similar is the case for abc.Best Regards.Yousaf465

[edit] Welcome to India

Welcome to India. Where will you be arriving in India exactly? Business or pleasure? Idleguy 08:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's not just the embassy, but the entire government machinery that is slow and corrupted in India. I guess it's not too different on the other side of the border. Idleguy 03:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Welcome back. Hope you enjoyed India. But what train did you say it was? I couldn't make it from your message. Did u mean sabari train? or sabarmathi express or something else? One day I'm planning to visit Pakistan myself. Can you give a couple of cities that will cover what Pakistan has to show? Idleguy 06:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I think Yousaf means Shatabdi Express — Lost(talk) 07:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks

Thank you for your contributions to the article concerning the Israeli-Lebanon conflict. I you need help, let me know. Jaber 20:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

what pov? the complete destruction of the state of israel? Jaber 18:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Yousaf

Hi,

saw your msg, nice to see a likeminded person. So do you have any image collection of yours.

--M.arunprasad 11:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

May be something you have taken recently. --M.arunprasad 13:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll wait for your images :-) . I see that you like Sherlock Holmes, have you read all the novels and short stories starring Holmes ? I like the character very much, though i could not imagine that someone could match his skills in real life but he is simply superb. --M.arunprasad 05:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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