Talk:Your mom

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This article was nominated for deletion on 29 October 2005. The result of the discussion was Redirect to the dozens. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

"Your Mom" is different than "Your mamma" or "Yo mamma" you people that are redirecting it don't know the your mom joke.

[edit] Deletion

Noticed that someone tagged this for deletion. As sad a shape as the current page is in, the above poster is right: the slang "your mom" is very different from "your momma" and should not be redirected to the dozens. I seem to recall seeing a well-written version of this page at some point.... Found it, buried in the dozens page:

Some use "your mom" jokes as a riposte and oftentimes a counter-riposte to any insulting statement made—e.g.,  
"You're an idiot." "Your mom is an idiot!" Today, "your mom" jokes also are used for statements that have no 
hostile or pejorative intent—e.g., "I love to eat ice cream." "Your mom loves to eat ice cream!" Or, they are 
used as a clever way to skew another person's words: "Ramen noodles are cheap and easy." "Your mom is cheap 
and easy!"

That could be a great start to keeping this page. Turnstep 18:16, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Update: I modified the above text and put it on the page, and it's already undergone a few edits. Turnstep 20:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Undeletion and removal of redirect

User:Rossami has requested that discussion of this article's status continue here, after a stint on deletion review and a restoration of the article's odd history. As per User:Turnstep's comments there and other comments above on this talk page, I'm going to propose that the outcome of the past (and evidently flawed) AfD be ignored and that the article be reverted to something like this revision to clarify the distinction between yo momma and your mom. —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The clarification you propose is more lexical than encyclopedic. It is a specific discussion of the usage of a phrase. While that is an interesting distinction, I believe that it will fit better in Wiktionary than in Wikipedia. (Yes, I know that we are inconsistent with our treatment of words and phrases. There are exceptions to the traditional rule that Wikipedia is not a dictionary but I don't think that those exceptions apply in this specific case.) I recommend that we transwiki your proposed version to Wiktionary and change the redirect here to a soft-redirect to the Wiktionary page using {{wi}}. Rossami (talk) 15:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

That would be acceptable to me; I wasn't even aware of such soft redirects, and it sounds like a good idea here—I don't see much value in this article. What is unacceptable to me is the redirect to an almost totally unrelated article. —HorsePunchKid→龜 23:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't see how the two are unrealted. Comments and "snaps" related to "the dozens" do not always require a retort or a competition. There's is next-to-no essential difference between "your mamma" and "your mom". --FuriousFreddy 23:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Eh? From the very first sentence of the dozens page: go head to head in a competition. One is an insult, one may or may not be. "Your mom" is a direct response (with rewording) of something the first person said. "Your momma is so fat..." is not related to something person said, but a clear insult not predicated on a previous statement. The context in which they are used, and the intent they convey, can be very different. They are vaguely related, perhaps, but certainly much more than a next-to-no essential difference, and it does not make sense to redirect to the dozens.

At any rate, I am certainly okay with Rossami's suggestion. While I might argue that we certainly have lots of less than noteworthy things here on Wikipedia :), if in principle it belongs elsewhere, then I'll accept the decision. Turnstep 03:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

The dozens )or at least its influence) goes beyond just the competitive aspect. You can just snap on somebody without getting into a competition (which is all saying "your mom is a..." is...a snap). --FuriousFreddy 03:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Would your concerns be satisfied if we included a clarifying link from the proposed Wiktionary definition back to The dozens in Wikipedia? Cross-wiki links should be used with some caution but this seems like a reasonable use. Rossami (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, certainly. --FuriousFreddy 02:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

FWIW, an anon has expanded the "your mom" section on the dozens. If this transwiki thing didn't seem so complicated, I'd do it myself. Maybe we can just write a completely new article on Wiktionary, given how minimal this one was, and skip the whole GFDL/history pains? —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Moved to Wiktionary. Hope I got the right version. If not, please pull the correct one out of history and fix it. Rossami (talk) 23:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Reverted to redirect to The dozens. This was the outcome of an AfD debate (see top of discussion page), so we shouldn't touch it. If anyone wants to describe the difference between "Your mom" and "Your mamma" or similar forms, it is probably better to find space for it on the The dozens page. Mangojuice 21:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)