Talk:Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath

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Contents 1 Articles for Deletion debate 2 Archives 3 Manual of Style states biography should be located at most commonly used name. 4 Removed from Fergusson College's Illustrious Alumni 5 Hamsa Yoga and SRF techniques 6 Proposed Alteration of Text to Avoid Ambiguity and Eliminate 'Citations Needed Tags'

[edit] Articles for Deletion debate

This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Doc ^ask? 11:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archives

1. /Archive 1 (09:45, 24 March 2006)
2. /Archive 2 (23:26, 27 March 2006)
3. /Archive 3 (19:20, 30 March 2006)
4. /Archive 4

[edit] Manual of Style states biography should be located at most commonly used name.

The WP policy that I have seen states that biographies should be listed under their most commonly used name (Manual of Style), with their birth name in the lead paragraph. This is already done on protected page. This is especially evidence in spiritually-related biographies. You can see examples of this in countless other articles including, but not limited to:

Nostradamus (bn Michel de Nostradame) **featured article

Paramahansa Yogananda (birth name Mukunda Lal Ghosh),

Sri Yukteswar Giri (bn Priya Nath Karar),

Swami Kriyananda (bn J. Donald Walters),

Sri Chinmoy (bn Chinmoy Kumar Ghose),

Swami Vivekananda (bn Narendranath Dutta),

Shri Gurudev Mahendranath (bn Lawrence Miles)

Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath is the most common name, rather than Sidhoji Rao Shitole, according to google. Thus this is and should be the name of the article. -- Hamsacharya dan 01:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed from Fergusson College's Illustrious Alumni

This person's name was removed from the Fergusson College article. The reason given was keeping only notable names. But don't despair, there is still enough room for advertisement. Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath might have, at one point in time, drank Coca Cola. Maybe you wish to include him in the article about Coca Cola. Or how about in an article about a ball game he once played? - Terminator III

Deep within you have many issues to deal with, my friend. A supreme penchant for sarcastic entries - perhaps you should start an article on the art of being a pessimistic pest and the dialectics of western close-mindedism - particularly of the self-righteous american strand. Again we find Wikipedia as a tool for those that want to vent frustrations that stem from unsatisfied desires in the earthly realm. This one thinks that Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath hardly cares about Fergusson College at all, let alone if He is mentioned on their website (which is seems to be now defunct) or their poignant Wikipedia article. If 'advertisement' is what you're after - please look at any 'new age' bookstore catalogue and see what 'shameless self-promotion' is going and by whom. You'll actually find Mahavatar Babaji's painted or sketched face more often in these 'advertisements' than any other yogi. You'll also find the faces of many revered saints - like Sri Yoganandaji, Sri Sathya Sai Baba, HH. Dalai Lama - from every great ancient tradition that are being 'advertised' for sale. Go to the next Kumbha Mela and take a look at all the camps and their 'advertisments' - thousands upon thousands you'll find. What you fail to realise is that all the movements and missions that are considered established and beyond criticism now had their fair share of promotion from the very beginning. Sri Yoganandaji was involved personally with much of the earlier promotion, as was, Swami Vivekananda and Osho. All saints have been attacked in public and in print for being less than what they were. You'd be amazed by how many disciples of Sri Yoganandaji felt impelled to go to see Him, some eventually becoming Kriya Masters in their own right, by just seeing a simple poster on the street or in a bookshop. What you may consider to be vile may take another the extra mile to the Supreme Godhead. It is not about winning a guru race, my friend. It's about world transformation of a 'spiritual' kind - internally and externally, from the individual to the masses.

'Adverstisement', 'brand', 'logo' have always involved scientific research, psychology and esoteric geometric design combined with creative minds. Coca Cola actually have studied ayurvedic texts and ancient Chinese texts on the science of taste to develop their drinks. Sport also has many links with ancient ritual. The world is not as fragmented as you'd like to believe. ALL things are connected!!! May the Light of Lights descend upon your Intellect!!!

This is an encyclopedia. We do not care about your fanatical opinions and your senseless sectarian diatribes. If you people do not care about publicity then what is behind this obsessive drive to insert the name of your cult leader on every Hinduism and Yoga-related article in Wikipedia? Isn't it one of your men who added his name at Fergusson College's roster of illustrious alumni? And, FYI, it wasn't I but the creator of the said article who removed your cul leader's name and labeled it "un-notable." In occasions like this it is best to shut-up and accept the facts. Your silly pontification and personal points of view have no place in an encyclopedia. - Terminator III

Aha, the Terminator is revealed! Such a compassionate tone as well!!! Fanatical opinions? - please name them, kindly sir. This one is not aware of any obsessive drive whatsoever. Again, your reference to 'one of your men' is highly unjustified - for this one has not got any 'men'!!! 'un-notable' to an institution not per say to everybody!!! Points of view seems to be flying with rage from your direction, dear sir - and this is not an encyclopedia, my friend - this is the talk page that is associated with an article!!! May peace be upon You!!!

Your words are immaterial and irrelevant as usual, cultist. And yes this is not an encyclodpedia but an encyclopedia. You are not my friend, I do not make friends with anonymous lunatics. Register or at least sign your name after your posts so that I can talk to you at your Talk page as per Sfacets.

Please use your talkpages to continue this discussion.

Sfacets 14:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Cultist?...anonymous lunatic?...hmmm...who is slinging the irrelevant stones and irreverent spit? ps. thank you for pointing out this one's spelling mistake. May you find tranquility and Peace, unknown enemy!!!

[edit] Hamsa Yoga and SRF techniques

'Hamsa Yoga' is related to the 'The Hong-Sau Technique' as taught by Sri Yoganandaji and now available by paid subscription to Self-Realization Fellowship Lessons from SRF. Perhaps another section may be added to the article speaking of related practises and traditions.

Please refrain from identifying with and name-dropping real and popular gurus and organizations. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia not a paid advertising arm in sole service of your cult. - Terminator III

Again, your words reveal more of a point of view. This is not 'name-dropping', it is in reference to a yogic techniques that are related. Who is making judgement on what a 'real' guru is, my friend? If you notice there have been no changes to the article by this one - it is a suggestion via the talk page. Where, alas, is this 'advertising arm in sole service of your cult'. In fact, your user name seems more like a 'cult' name than anything else. Your plea for refrainment is also very close-minded and dogmatic. Please give the criterion under which this 'real' and 'popular' gurus may be referenced. Terminate your hatred and you'll see a bit more than tunnel vision allows!!! May you find Peace!!!

Please refrain from pontificating and giving unsolicited advices. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a place to practice your Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath style of bogus psychotherapy. Register or at least sign your name after your posts so that I can reply on your talk page as per Sfacets.

So, you want a talk page to take it outside, huh ji? Why not discuss here? Again, this one is impartial - it is not my 'style of bogus psychotherapy' - something you do not seem to be as per your aggressive tone. May the 'real' psychotherapy find you!!!

Hello? Please use user talk pages for your discussion. Sfacets 14:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Alteration of Text to Avoid Ambiguity and Eliminate 'Citations Needed Tags'

The following text in the article:

'He founded Hamsa Yoga Sangh and under his guidance Hamsa Yoga Sangh has expanded worldwide, with over 80 teachers in 11 countries.[citation needed]'

May be altered to:

'He founded Hamsa Yoga Sangh and under his guidance Hamsa Yoga Sangh has expanded worldwide.'

I suggest that it be rendered as He founded Hamsa Yoga Sangh, which has now expanded to some countries outside India. - Terminator III

To avoid the ambiguity and the lack of proper sources the information after the comma may be ommitted. The fact that it has expanded worldwide is evidenced by the source on the Hamsa Yoga Sangh website.

Also, the following text in the article:

'He later attended Fergusson College in Pune, Maharashtra, India.[citation needed]'

Is most likely sourced form the autobiography 'Wings to Freedom' listed in the published works section. If not, then the whole sentence can be removed to avoid ambiguity and thus the need for a 'citation needed' is no longer needed.

I suggest that this part be left untouched. Let us give enough time for the editor who wrote it to cite his source. - Terminator III

Once again, this one is impartial and this is not vandalism but mere suggestions on the discussion page as to make the article better and more credible in wider scheme of things in Wikipedia and beyond.213.106.1.25 09:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

You are a member of Hamsa Yoga cult, you are not impartial, you just don't want to make your Guru appear as if he was claiming things that are being questioned by those in the know. The citation needed tags are blows to his credibility, if ever he has any. Please don't take us for fools. By the way, I found out thru Google that this Talk page made it to Sarlo's Guru Ratings website (a fairly popular website) as an anti site for your Guru. Congratulations! You got your advertisement! - Terminator III

Try and find the bias in any of the entries or comments thus far. Validate your claims of 'impartiality'! This one doesn't take you for fools! Don't put false allegations in these fingers! In fact, you are proving your bias in wanting to give 'blows' to any persons credibility! Wikipedia is not an avenue of giving 'blows to credibility' or as a source of Guru ratings. What does this one care in the least about Guru Ratings Websites!!! What a riduculous invention to say the least and a reflection of the insecure western mind! Let it be popular! This one is concerned about the article in question. And you are intentionally trying to create hostility from the moment you entered the discussion tab!

Let it be known that 'citation needed tags' and any tag for that matter in a Wikipedia article does not necessarily reflect on that which the article is concerned but on Wikipedia!!! The keeping of tags only detracts from Wikipedia articles being taken seriously as a credible resource!!! Academically Wikipedia entries are not accepted by most professors and the tags will keep it so!!!

• Let it be known that this one is not part of the Hamsa Yoga cult! Only part of human cult-ure, for now. Doubt you'll find my Gurus on any Guru Ratings Website, either. My Gurus are Sthirattva Maharaj and Prananath Vasudeva!!!

By of ways, your first changing of text is perfectly fine with this one.

Happy Summer Solstice!213.106.1.25 14:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)Shaninath