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Contents 1 Greek election results 2 Conseil d'État 3 Giannh 4 Greek and Cypriot media coverage 5 Category Deletion 6 POLL 7 Pericles 8 Demosthenes Rewrite 9 Monobook tool 10 Greek or Geek? 11 and another Poll... 12 Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology) 13 2 Polls that may be of interest... 14 Pericles peer review 15 Welcome to the Military history WikiProject! 16 Welcome! 17 Military history WikiProject coordinator election - vote phase! 18 restoration of npov on the Balkan wars 19 alcibiades article ga nomination 20 Greek and TGreek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation proposal removed 21 Your edit to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pericles 22 Hello again 23 Wikipedia:Peer review/Basiliscus 24 Re: FA nominations in Version 0.5 25 Ladakh 26 Pericles/Sepentrionalis 27 Cyrus the Great FAC 28 Thank you

Greek election results

Hi Yannismarou,

Like me, you have an interest in Greek election results. Up to now, most election results have been entered on to templates (e.g. Template:Greek legislative election, 1920) which are then embedded into the articles on the results themselves. This does not involve any extra work. You simply create the template like an article - the best way to do this is open an existing template, change the year of the election, and begin the new article. Once you've done this, you can included it using these kind of brackets {{}}.

In addition, try not to put names of people in bold. This is not Wikipedia policy. Always use wikilinks.

Let me know if you have any problems. Keep up the good work. --Damac 15:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Me again. Don't know what I was thinking but there is no need to include the election results on a templete and then insert it into the page on elections. Continue on as you were. Sorry about that. Damac 08:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the piece of advice. I'm obsessed with greek politics and the greek history, in general, including the elections. Nevertheless, I face two major problems: a) lack of time, b) limited knowledge of the english language (my native language is greek).

I'll try to contribute as much as I can, because I regard the registration of all modern election results as something exciting and useful. --Yannismarou, 20 February 2006

No problem. My Greek is not very good, although I live in Athens, so I'll always need help with translating the names of parties and that. Let me know if you need anything checked for English. I'll keep an eye on your contributions and can make any improvements.

Like you, I think it is important to get the election results up and to write up something on all the parties that held seats. With all the different names and then the variety of ways they have been translated into English (i.e. Popular Party - People's Party - Liakon Komma, etc), there needs to be standards set.

Keep in touch!--Damac 21:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Conseil d'État

Thanks for your reaction. Using a French name for a Greek institution in an English Wikipedia is not according to WIkipedia Naming conventions. That micht be more often a problem, since the legal system of most countries differ. My country (I am a Jurist too), it is named Raad van State, which means in English Council of State. What would be a normal translation into English of the Council of State. Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 17:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

What would the Greek names mean? Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 17:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Giannh

Dior8wse to sxolio sou sthn koubenta ths pshfoforias, giati o miskin einai ellhnas (kai malista apo tous kalous). Meta sbhse to mhnyma mou, an 8es. Prospa8w na prolabw pare3hghseis meta3y mas, oxi oti trexei tipota, mallon 8a gelasei, alla pote den 3ereis...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Kai kati akomh: Twra pou diabasa ti egrapses sth synexeia, den xreiazetai na pyrodotoume ki alles asxetes syzhthseis (para to oti tous ta les kala). An mporeis, einai kalytera na afhneis mia xazh apanthsh apo pleyras tous sto telos (giati ekti8entai stous ypoloipous pou diabazoun, twra pou exoume pshfoforia). Ante, to poly-poly na petas mia ataka tou styl ayths tou miskin, gia na teleiwnei to 8ema. Twra gia thn arxaia makedonikh, einai pragmati amfisbhtoumeno (apo ligous glwssologous) kai basei ths politikhs ths WP, prepei na graftei kai ayth h apopsh, opws kai sta 8rakika kai illyrika. Des to ar8ro Ancient Macedonian language...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Ha, ok, empaine gera kai opws sou bgainei. Apla prosexe, dioti h selida den diabazetai pleon monon apo mas kai ekeinous, alla kai apo polous allous pou exoun prosklh8ei epishma (rfc) gia to poll. Mhn fanoume trellamenoi (ki as eimaste)...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Greek and Cypriot media coverage

Hello Yannismarou,

I am writing a thesis on Croatia's candidacy to join the EU as seen by the various European media. As I see that you are a native Greek speaker interested in Greek politics I was wondering if you would consider helping me. Needless to say, I don't speak Greek. However, I think it would be a shame if my thesis were to reflect only the views and topics covered in the countries such as Austria, Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands etc (in short, the countries whose languages I understand). Therefore, I would like to include a section on Greek and Cypriot media in my thesis. I am not only interested in Croatia's candidacy, but also in the wider subjects people associate with the EU. I left a more detailed list on my discussion page.

I will be more than grateful if you could leave me just a link to a Greek or Cypriot newspaper article that deals with any of the above subjects with a short summary such as for example: "XY is opposed to Turkey's membership because of the unresolved Cyprus issue" or "the membership of Croatia is bad because the constitutional treaty has been rejected in France and the Netherlands" or "party X is critical to Greece's membership in the eurozone because of..." Also any other information is appreciated.

I will be sending this message to several other native Greek speakers. Also if you know a Wikipedian who could help me, please let me know. Of course, if you're not interested, please accept my apologies and feel free to erase the message. Thank you for your time. PGradStudent 11:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello Yannismarou,

Thank you so much for the superb links, translations and an overall insight into the whole matter (and also for taking time to help me)! Your help is greatly appreciated. I have just finished the introduction to the Greece section of the thesis and was about to start writing the main portion of the section. Thanks to invaluable help from Donnerstag and Nikos I have already had plenty of high-quality references in English. You provided me with highly interesting links to comments and reactions in Greek as well. All I can say is that I am so glad that I can include all those views in my thesis instead of just concentrating on media in Germany, Austria, Britain, France etc. Thanks once again. Your contribution will greatly enrichen the Greece section of my thesis. I wish you all the best with your exams. PGradStudent 19:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Category Deletion

Please visit [1] and weigh in!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

POLL

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need: - Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Pericles

While I agree that Pericles was a great politician and the Acropolis a marvelous monument, the fact is that this is my Point of View. While the things stated on the article are true, it's still POV. I tried to reduce the POV as well as slightly help with the language, but frankly, I'm not sure it's there yet. One problem with the prose is that it comes across as too pompous and verbose, which is usually expected in Greek academic prose, but not in English academia. It's really a good article, so I didnt want to meddle with it too much. I also noticed that when you submitted it for FAT, one user asked for more info on certain topics. Could you possibly get that info and incorporate it? Druworos 13:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You'll be glad to see that following our edits, the article is now A class rather than B, and also ranked as Top importance in the military project. It should pass as GA, I think. I'm glad I was able to contribute a bit with the editing. Great work! Druworos 21:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Demosthenes Rewrite

If you are considering some extensive rewrites it may be helpful to use {{Inuse}} or its related templates (see Template talk: Inuse) for short stretches of time while you make big changes. It notifies others that you are hard at work and keeps us from running into each other. Thanks for all your contributions and keep up the good work! Peteresch 17:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm really happy to hear you're making a rewrite of Demosthenes. If I can be so bold as to give a small piece of advice, consider giving a look at fr:Démosthène (orateur); it's a featured article, and may have material useful for you (I noted you have French - 3). I hope I'm not being too arrogant. And thanks for your work!--Aldux 17:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

If you hadn't told me, I wouldn't have realized you weren't a native speaker of English... nicely done! I recommend, though, that you use simpler words rather than fancier words (like "took" instead of "pilfered"), unless you have a native speaker you can check with. That way, you'll avoid possible problems with POV caused by connotations that a dictionary doesn't mention. Good luck! Peirigill 01:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you've been busy! Let me have some time to go through it. Just at first glance, I think you want to say Antipater's "confidant," not "confident." Peirigill 19:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Monobook tool

-You were almost there, you just went one step too far. You should not have replaced 'Bobblewik' with 'Yannismarou' because that stopped it pointing at my code. Just go back to the first version and make sure you 'clear the cache'.

Let me know if that works. bobblewik 14:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Greek or Geek?

No, that is not meant to be a jab or an insult, just an honest comment from a wiki-newbie. When I saw your article titled, On the Liberty of the Rodians, show up on the new article listing, I immediately thought of Greedo the fictional Star Wars character whose species is called Rodian. After seeing the contents, it helped remind me to Wikipedia:Assume good faith and not jump to conclusions. Keep up the good work, even though it is Greek to me :) -- MrDolomite 07:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

and another Poll...

Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 22:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology)

Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

2 Polls that may be of interest...

Hey, kindly check:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misconceptions about Iran
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ehud Olmert and Iran

Thanks. :NikoSilver: 01:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Pericles peer review

No human responses yet, but someone put up an automated review: Wikipedia:Peer review/Automated#Pericles, it seems some of the things are not too accurate, but some things are helpful. I will try to address some of those as well as have a look at Demosthenes on the weekend. But could you see if you have any references handy for two uncited statements using "is considered" in the Pericles article ("This is considered to be a monumental oration..." and "he is considered to be the first politician to...").--Konstable 12:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll do. The automated peer review is sometimes inaccurate. I've experienced it again and, according to me, it does not help so much, because its suggestions are too general and they donot refer to the specific article. So, donot worry so much about "the things which are not too accurate".--Yannismarou 13:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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restoration of npov on the Balkan wars

Since I see you are on the Wikipedia military history project, I'd like to ask you to take a look at the articles for the Balkan wars, and help keeping a semblance of neutrality on the pages (as well as ask other wikipedians to assist). It seems certain parties had literally taken over the entries, filling them with Bulgarian nationalist tripe for the past months. I've tried to restore some balance[2], but I honestly think the articles are going to need frequent checking up on, and perhaps a complete rewrite, if we are to respect NPOV policy. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff that was written in there.

I'll chech the article for now. But, please, become a Wikipedian User with his own userpage and sign your edits, because now I've no idea with whom I'm talking to! You're right about all this crap in the article.--Yannismarou 07:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

alcibiades article ga nomination

yannismarou, thanks for the heads up on the ga nomination. It was tagged as long so i guess we will have to delete some of the info if we desire ga or fa status, something which will be dificult since nearly every sentence in the article is relevant and well supported. I'll leave the decision of what to delete and what not to you and i know there is plenty of elaboration and detail which we will just have to do without. Looking at your edits it is clear that you have a great understanding of the subject, a lot of resources, and most importantly the will to continue to improve the article. thanks for taking it to ga status and i know you can see it through to a model entry.

Greek and TGreek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation proposal removed

Hello, I'm contacting you to let you know that I have withdrown the proposal for wikiproject Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation as so much time has passed in inaction, I am no longer interested in it and I don't have any time to spare for it. I regret to take this step unilateraly as there are some 16 people who had showed interest, but the whole thing has been inactive for too long in my opinion. Thanks for showing your initial interest anyway!! Keep up the good wiki-work! --Michalis Famelis (talk) 18:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pericles

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I know how to contribute to Wikipedia! I just try to renominate an article for FA and I try to find what I do wrong! As you see I immediately corrected my mistake!--Yannismarou 10:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from removing content from Wikipedia, as you did to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pericles. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. KOS | talk 11:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that, you should try using an edit summary when you are making that large of a removal or addition, otherwise it will probably be seen as vandalism. KOS | talk 11:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello again

Hello, sorry to have disappeared on you. I have been extremely busy and my Wikipedia addiction was getting in the way, so I pretty much cut off editing altogether. Now my time is freeing up a little and I could do some bits here and there. I see Pericles is up for FAC, I'll be glad to smooth out any remaining issues. And do you still need me to have a look through Demosthenes? Cheers.--Konstable 06:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Basiliscus

I followed your suggestions, and modified the article Basiliscus. Please, let me know what you think. --BlaiseMuhaddib 14:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, if the article is much better now is also because of your reviews.--BlaiseMuhaddib 15:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: FA nominations in Version 0.5

The short answer is because the requirement for inline citations is still relatively new, so we haven't quite gotten around to dealing with older articles systematically. While they do eventually wind up on FAR, mass nominations there have been discouraged (as there would be no chance of getting them fixed); hence, until they filter through the system, they remain FAs. Kirill Lokshin 18:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ladakh

Hi Yannismarou. Thanks for your comment on Ladakh FAC. I am not aware of the correct sequence of Greek alphabet to be used for enumerating notes. Could you please set it right? I see that you come from Greece, so who could be better qualified! Thanks, deeptrivia (talk) 04:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Pericles/Sepentrionalis

It looks like you've been getting pretty frustrated with goings on at the Pericles FAC. I understand how you feel, and I remember how stressful my first nomination was, but it's important to stay cool. Sepentrionalis isn't trying to derail the candidacy or oppose the work people have put into the article, he's just insisting on a high standard for articles that are going to be featured. I'm going to give the article another proofreading and copyediting run-through; I suspect there will be at least a few things to fix. The prose is very good on a macroscopic level--the sections and ideas are very well laid out, and it's in general a pleasant read--but on a small, individual word level, I spotted a number of small mistakes that might not be easily apparent to a non-native speaker. I thought I'd picked them all out on my first sweep through the article, but it was 3 am by the time I finished that, and I was pretty tired, so I probably missed some stuff. In any event, Sepentrionalis isn't obligated to do the work himself; a lot of articles go through FAC, and reviewers wouldn't be able to keep up with the workload if they had to fix them all themselves. Don't worry about it, though; I have a little bit of time today and a lot more tomorrow to work on this, and we'll definitely see it through the process. Cheers, --Robth^Talk 14:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I saw your comment on the FAC. This really isn't the right attitude. Although I agree that objecters should consider only the quality of the article, the same is true of nominators and supporters. If an objection appears to be based on the reviewer's opinion of the nominator, not the article, Raul will simply disregard it when he closes the nomination. Making hostile comments towards objecters, whether or not those comments are accurate, only clouds the issue. The Pericles nomination is going to succeed, as long as you, I, and the other supporters keep fixing any problems that people point out. Even if you disagree with the tone of an objection, the best thing to do is just to be professional about it, fix whatever problems with the article they may have pointed out, and trust that the FA director will do the right thing when he closes the nomination. Just let this argument slide--there's nothing to gain from keeping it going.

I'm going to go finish my second sweep through the article now; hopefully I'll catch any remaining issues. --Robth^Talk 17:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Cyrus the Great FAC

Hi, Yannismarou. I've responded to your question about Cyrus' birth in the Cyrus the Great FAC and changed the article accordingly. If you think it's better, perhaps the article could get your support? If not, let me know how I can improve it. ♠ SG →Talk 15:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for doing that. Letting the personal and behavioral issues slide helps us all focus on the important thing, which is making sure that Pericles becomes the best article it can be. And ultimately, when a great article gets featured and appears on the main page, everyone wins, and Wikipedia wins; that's what really matters here. --Robth^Talk 18:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC) (I edit conflicted with your archiving; feel free to move this comment to the archive if you would like.)