Talk:Yacht rock

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If the term itself is actually used, it should be split from that of the Channel 101 show. In other words, have one section for the term itself, then below, cite the Channel 101 show.

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[edit] This article needed some cleanup work

Although I am well aware that the entire "Yacht Rock" was done "tongue-in-cheek," I think we all have a responsibility to keep this 'pedia as professional as possible. In the future, it would be appreciated if those of you responsible would refrain from using the word "brainfart." Thank you.


[edit] Seperate Article

I am willing to write a seperate article for the show. I just need a show of proverbal hands. Yanksox 20:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Do we need one? The term exists because of the show. (Not a criticism or anything - I mean that as an honest question.) -- ChrisB 21:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I love the show, but the term really existed before the show. It might be more common usage, but the term was alone when it existed.Yanksox 23:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Correct, as shown by the Google Groups post mentioned in the article, but the term wasn't popularly used. If you scroll through Google, nearly all of the hits for "yacht rock" mention the show. I couldn't find a single page that solely referred to the music as "yacht rock" that pre-dated the existence of the show, save for that Google Groups post. (And, even in that case, the post talked about Buffett, not Loggins and company.)
Before the show, people referred to this music by terms like "soft rock" or "adult contemporary". Per Wiki's verifiability guidelines - if "yacht rock" was used before the show to describe this music, we need a source that confirms it.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't split the articles. It just seems that creating an expansive article on "yacht rock" that doesn't mention the show would be misleading. -- ChrisB 00:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not separate the article

Just sort of a post-AfD addendum - please resist the urge to split the show and the genre into separate articles. The AfD (linked at the top of the page) came about largely because the two concepts (at the moment) aren't necessarily notable enough to survive on their own.

If a separation is desired in the future, let's be sure to have an open discussion about it beforehand, just to avoid what happened here. -- ChrisB 22:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Yacht rock sources

For future reference, here's the list of sources that JD Ryznar provided during the AfD process:

AP Article January 6, 2006: http://www.insidenova.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=ISN/MGArticle/IMD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128769149036

Spin Magazine, January, 2006 http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/Bewitched333/YRSpinsmall.jpg

San Francisco Weekly September 7, 2005: http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2005-09-07/music/garrett.html

Seattle Weekly, December 7, 2005: http://www.seattleweekly.com/music/0549/051207_music_talktalk.php

Metroactive, Santa Cruz, CA, March 15-22, 2006: http://www.metroactive.com/metro-santa-cruz/03.15.06/muz-0611.html

Reuters, January 9, 2006: http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=telecomm&storyID=nN09237006


Various articles and reviews that use Yacht Rock out of context of the show:

New York Times, March 9, 2006 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/arts/music/09fage.html?ei=5088&en=c88651949b450813&ex=1299560400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1145052162-W4tmyGk3nb/NkyXR3HiA6A

IGN Music, May 30, 2006: http://music.ign.com/articles/710/710545p1.html

Los Angeles Times, May 27, 2006: http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-mylo27may27,0,6241718.story?coll=cl-music-features

Eye Weekly, Toronto, Canada, May 25, 2006: http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_05.25.06/music/musicweek.html

Entertainment Weekly, May 23, 2006: http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1196853_4_0_,00.html

Entertainment Weekly, May 19, 2006 http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1195793_4_0_,00.html

[edit] Is "yacht rock" actually a genre?

Above, it was proposed that the article be split, but it seems to me that there is no particular need for an article about "Yacht rock" as its own musical genre at all. Yacht rock doesn't really exist as a genre, and can, in fact, be expanded by the creators of the series to include just about anything they want to include - as they've done by including a Van Halen song. It seems to me we should really have an article Yacht Rock, about the series, and discuss the music in context of the series, rather than vice versa. john k 18:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think the reason the genre survived as the primary article name is because it had more stuff in it at the time, and the users had already added links to the genre article all over the place (via categories, etc.) in a very short period of time. Some of them are still hanging around out there, actually. --Closeapple 01:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone object to this article being moved to Yacht Rock and reorganizing it so it emphasizes the videos a bit more? john k 17:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gino (the Manager)

Does the "Gino (the Manager)" episode have anything to do with Hall & Oates? It has the same name as a song from their Self Titled 1975 album. Should that be mentioned on the page? Also "Gino" is Tommy Mottola.

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