Talk:Y Window System

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Article listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion May 1 to May 7 2004, consensus was to keep following amendments. Discussion:

• Looks to be partly vanity and partly an interesting but as of yet immature project (the software described is at version 0.2). Plently googlespoor, not much uptake that I can see. Delete and come back next year ? Or wait and expand the article next year ?
  • Please sign your nomination
    • Really? I would've thought the reason for listing on VFD should be made in at least a reasonably neutral manner, but would only expect to sign something that was opinion - that is something that requires the author to be known in order to evaluate it's validity and worth. Hence, signed votes, opinions and views, unsigned nominations. - TB 12:58, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
      • Oh, OK. I am suitably red of face. What threw me was Meelar's comment to me which included the phrase credit to your cause. The only cause I could identify was the mission to get something deleted, but it wasn't me that put it there. Meelar also said that he thought cleanup was the page where you don't sign, so I thought it followed that here you would sign. Other people have signed their nominations, but I actually agree with you. Anyway, this is threatening to turn into a saga, so I'll just observe in my newbie way ;o) --bodnotbod 14:03, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
  • It's a one man project, by the looks of things. If that's allowed on I'd like to add an article about my friend's fanzine for 'elderly humour' (Spike Milligan et al). It's on issue 2! It exists!  ;o) Seriously, though, this does seem to be pushing it a bit. I'm interested to hear what others say. As a newbie it seems superb to me that the Wikipedia does not have the space constraints of a paper encyclopedia, but how far you then take that is an interesting discussion. No vote. --bodnotbod 15:23, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
• Well, right now this doesn't quite make the threshold. Once it's finished, if it gets at least somewhat popular, I'd reconsider. And your attitude is a credit to your cause. Just a note, though--we usually sign and timestamp our posts on talk pages, which you can do by adding four tildes like this: ~~~~. Meelar 15:13, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Done! (Saw a page which stated NOT to sign, thought it was this one but am clearly wrong judging by other entries) --bodnotbod 15:23, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
    • I think the one you're not supposed to sign is Cleanup. :) RickK 19:10, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
      • It's only just dawned on me that since I didn't sign my first comment, initially, people are assuming I made this nomination. I didn't. According to page history it was User:Topbanana - just wanted to make that clear  ;o) --bodnotbod 12:36, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete - if it actually gets somewhere, it can have an article. -- Cyrius|&#9998 16:43, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - I have worked on the article to get rid of POV and spelling mistakes. The project is actually quite interesting, it has produced interest in the software community, especailly from critics of the X Window System. Krik 23:41, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
• Don't know. It was featured on slashdot once, but the project does seem to be rather in its infancy.... Dysprosia 00:40, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
• Keep in present form. Marginal... but keep... but just barely. It's pretty hard to do a good Google test on this, have you noticed? Searching on "Y Windows" gets a lot of Spanish hits on Linux y Windows, etc. 859 hits on "Y Window System" in quotes is fairly impressive, and in a lot of different languages--mostly apparently referring to the Y Window System. Dpbsmith 01:14, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - thanks to /. Y-Windows is enough widely known and so referred. Wikipedia should contain the answer for those who find this word. Drbug 01:25, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
• Merge into alternatives to X Windows and redirect. Well, since there isn't any such article yet, just keep it. X windows is widely considered a disaster area of crufy hacks, and everybody & his dog has ideas about replacing it. Most such proposals haven't gone anywhere; it would be best to lump them all together and give each a paragraph. But I'm too lazy to do that, so leave it. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:30, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Almost anything featured on Slashdot is worth of an article. Eurleif 05:22, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't understand one bit of this stuff, so I err on the side of more info the better, and not censoring something just because I don't get it. However, the article needs a lot more information than what's provided in a very cursory (and lazy, IMO) manner. Mr. Y-Wing/Windows/Fighter should tell the world (non-techs like myself included) why this is important, and not expect us to go to his external site for answers. Alcarillo 15:20, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Not a major project, but notable. Has been on Slashdot. Cleanup as necessary. - Fennec 15:51, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Definitely significant - a source of one of those linux controversies, as many people feel that the y-window system is (will be) a better replacement for the x-window system. The article needs work, of course. Rdsmith4 02:55, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, moderately well known. Cadr

End discussion

• To comment on the "vanity" issue, since the lead developer of the system worked on it as part of his final year project (his Masters degree was a 4-year undergraduate degree, not a postgraduate, and so did not involve a "thesis" as such), I doubt this was written by him! MattJ 17:55, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)