User talk:Xiahou

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[edit] Notability

Hi Xiahou, I've noticed a couple of your comments on Articles for Deletion are perhaps a little out of step with Wikipedia practice. It's fine to be inclusionist, but despite the fact that Wiki-is-not-paper etc., it is still an encyclopedia and there are still standards of notability that must be applied. Please familiarise yourself with the various notability criteria, as when giving opinions in debates it may help the closing admin give your vote the weight you feel it deserves if you can back up your assertions with directives from guidelines and policies. Happy editing! Deizio talk 16:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• your right it is an encyclopedia full of every little tidbit of info you can think of. Much of what people want deleted already have multiple pages dealing with said subject like the school one for instance. Someone singled out a school for deletion. Thats crazy there are hundreds of schools listed. Heck there is a wiki school project. People are to hung up on articles being to big or not notable like its their money running it. Yet what they say is not notable may to others, something many seem to disreguard. Ive had people say thousands are not enough for notablity. Pfft. If its factual doesn't need to be or can be merged its not huring anyone and if its en encyclopdia form. So be it. Whats notable to one may not be to others.

If someone lists a school for deletion then there is WP:SCHOOL to consider. As I said, referring to policies and guidelines, even proposed ones, will always make an opinion more likely to be given maximum weight. Articles are considered on their own merits when nominated for deletion, hence claiming that "A is ok, so why not B" is not a valid argument, no matter the connection between the two. Taking this one step further and saying "We've lost the battle against maintaining a decent standard of notability so everything gets in" is simply anti-policy. If that's your opinion then by all means express it, but the opinions of a great number of editors have shaped the policies which underpin Wikipedia. Deizio talk 01:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• I saw your comment read your link noticed this --'This is not intended to be an exclusionary list; just because someone doesn't fall into one of these categories doesn't mean an article on the person should automatically be deleted' and that about covered it.--Xiahou 01:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• 'A is ok, so why not B" is not a valid argument, no matter the connection between the two. ' ---really it is, well pretty much everywhere... Thats just it. A is ok so why are we hunting B if A=B. So if some generic school is fine... then yes if the people make the article they all are. --Xiahou 01:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• So when someone says delete they can just throw out a canned statement but when someone says keep the reverse is not true? One could use the same argument again that if they are so set against said school they better be prepared and be submitting all schools without 'notibility' or its just a witch hunt. After looking into the Irish guy more I can see that one but others especially the school in the keep votes, nope.--Xiahou 01:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Mixed martial arts article improvement drive

Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts is now taking suggestions for the new MMA article improvement drive! Please add your input to decide what our first collaboration should be. VegaDark 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)