Talk:Witness Lee
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Whatever "Administer"'s views might be about Witness Lee, please discuss factual (verifiable) issues in these pages. If you question the neutrality of the article, please state your reasons so we can discuss them. Cokoli 02:25, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Facts
I think it is important we stick the 6 major teachings of The Local Church, so we can hold those in Lee camp accountable instead of continually letting them off the hook by their not addressing these problems (i.e. always skirting around the facts): calvinism (pride in believing in being premade for salvation), suing for faith, modalism (saying the Father is the Son and the Godhead is a Person), altering Watchman Nee's writings (e.g. limiting affection to love and desire only to hate in LSM TSM), calling oneself God (in any way shape or form), and violent screaming mantra (which is neither prayer nor reading to yell 2 or 3 words aggressively).
Also, can we please stick to why it is wrong to have a central-hub command and control centre of LSM for filthy lucre, and no Aposles (which is rejecting Eph. 4.11). If the outlets of the lsm/lc system are without Apostles, then their outlets are taken care of by false Elders since those Elders are not and never will be appointed by Apostles. All this seems like quite a reasonable assessment stated succinctly. If only we could maintain the focus on these specific problems instead of always filling the pages with other matters, perhaps you will help this organization to find the way of the Dodo bird which is God's will. Sincerely. The editor of the article said to "discuss factual (verifiable) issues in these pages." Please do not write libelous material. (unsigned comment)~
Notably, the above comment is UNSIGNED...typical of false accusations. So, you've gotten your "Witness Lee accusation list" down pat. First of all, this is an encyclopedia, not an apologetic board. Many Calvinists would be offended by you. Second, the accusation of modalism is complete, utter bunk (and you don't even understand the concept, either...modalism says that God existed in three modes, first as the Father, then became the Son (and the Father ceased to exist), then the Son became the Spirit (and the Son ceased to exist). That's was modalism teaches, and certainly you've never heard such a teaching from the local church. Third, the King James version itself (John 10:34) says that Jesus himself said "Ye are gods." So, are you opposing the King James version, or the word of Jesus himself? Fourth, accusations of "filthy lucre" are POV and can be made against any church system, which gathers donations. Unlike most church services, the local churches do NOT gather money in full view of everyone--donation boxes are on the wall, so there's no pressure to donate. Fifth, the word "Apostle" literally means "sent one." It is NOT for you to decide who is or is not an apostle, or to dictate an anti-LSM strategy on what is intended to be a neutral, factual discussion of an encyclopedia article.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 22:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This article fails to explain such basic aspects as Mr. Lee's title, i.e. "Witness". In fact it sounds like an article written by people so familiar with the subjects that they are not aware something might have been assumed.
[edit] NPOV Needed
The statement that Witness Lee "experienced salvation" is of course not NPOV.Did he convert to Christianity at this point,or (already a nominal Christian) have a "born-again experience"?Either would be preferable.--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 19:47, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
I've reverted the addition of extensive criticisms because they are not sourced. Particlularly when we are making allegation of sexual and financial improprieties we need to have verifiable sources that we can attribute the allegations to. I can't find them in the listed sources. -Willmcw 22:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Modalist nonsense
Given that the local church readily admits that Witness Lee taught that "God became man that man may become God" in life and nature (and Jesus himself said "ye are gods"--King James Version, John 10:34), how is it that one can continue with the false accusation of modalism? Those in the local church have had no qualms about admitting positions that some find may be controversial. However, the modalist accusation is complete, utter bunk. Any secret agent wanting to attend services for an entire year would come to realize that such ideas are false and are heard only by accusers, and never in actual local church services.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 22:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Birthdate
Witness Lee was against letting anyone know his birthdate, lest someone try to idolize it. However, he was reported to be born in 1905 and died June 9, 1997, aged 91, so he must have been born between June 10 and Dec 31, 1905.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 22:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Harvest House controversy
The Harvest House controversy occurred well after Witness Lee passed away, and so I question whether this is relevant. Also, Harvest House attacked first, launcing a lawsuit and libelous accusations. Rulings in Harvest House's favor have centered on "free speech" rulings, rather than whether what they said was true or not.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 08:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
