Talk:Winter storms of 2006-07

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[edit] What?

What's this? Who decides the dates? If there's nothing previously published about winter storm "seasons" having dates, I don't see how anyone could take two random dates in violation of WP:NOR? Are there sources? Also, this isn't related to the 2006 AHS. – Chacor 04:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you think of a better way to do this? Outright deleting it doesn't seem like a solution. When seasonal snowfall is recorded, they always cut it off at June 30. If it's June 30, 2005, and, say, 5 inches of snow falls, it would go into the totals for the 2004-05 seasonal snowfall. Then if another 5 inches falls on July 1, 2005, it will count towards the 2005-06 seasonal totals. That seems to be enough rationale to me. bob rulz 05:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, while I do agree with you (winter seasons traditionally start July 1st, i.e. heating/cooling degree days), let's remember "Thirty days have September..." -Runningonbrains 05:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Uh...what do you mean by "thirty days have September..." bob rulz 05:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The rhyme "Thirty days have September, April, June, and November. As in there is no June 31. But whatever, no biggie. -Runningonbrains 05:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Ahahah, wow, I can't believe I said June 31. Thanks for correcting me on that. bob rulz 06:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The NWS does define the snowfall season to be July 1-June 30, which also matches the water year in the West. It is actually possible for a snow event in the highest elevations of the Wasatch to bridge the mystic time of July 1 midnight. Remember, hail now counts as part of the frozen precipitation total, so one must be careful. Can someone say "d'oh"? Thegreatdr 01:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September

[edit] September 14-16

I'm copying the event discussions used on the Tornadoes of 2006 discussion page; seems reasonable to include them here as well. It looks like the first widespread snow event of the season appears to be on its way for the mountains of the Pacific Northwest. Snow is expected to fall as far south as central Colorado and maybe even southern Colorodo. If a widespread significant snow event in fact does occur with appreciable accumulations, it will be the first event addition to this article. bob rulz 05:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It is ALMOST time to think about this. By October we will surely have entries. As for the random dates, yes, it had to be cut off SOMEWHERE - otherwise we'd have a page covering up to Dec.31 and another starting at Jan.1 when, for all we know, the same storm could be covered both times! CrazyC83 03:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The first winter weather advisories of the year have been issued, with up to a foot of snow expected in the western Montana mountains and several inches in the Washington Cascades. Nothing significant has occurred yet, but even if it's just for the simple reason that this is the first widespread snow event of the season, it should be mentioned. bob rulz 05:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Brett Anderson [1] from Accuweather.com said that there were reports of 20-25 cm in the mountains of Alberta. But it is a blog, but will it be good to add that reference. --JForget 01:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September 21-23

Another winter storm is moving into the West. Up to a foot of snow is expected in the mountains of Utah and Wyoming, and 1-2 feet in the mountains of Colorado. Haven't seen any snow totals yet. bob rulz 04:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it is still really early though. October is when the lowlands start to get involved. Typically, the first major snow is in October in the far northern Plains and lower parts of the Rockies. Otherwise, you have to go up to Canada to find snow then. I'm not sure about over in Europe? (Major events overseas get coverage here too, this is a worldwide page, although coverage will be lower there) CrazyC83 05:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] October

[edit] October 11-13

First winter storm for the Upper Peninsula of Michigan; 1-2 feet of snow is currently forecast for the most favorable areas. bob rulz 22:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Also stretching westward into northern Wisconsin and Minnesota. CrazyC83 00:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I see that now. Up to a foot of snow expected in those areas. This should be fun to watch, but the cold weather is the big event. bob rulz 04:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Up to a foot of snow has fallen in the snowband areas of New York. Buffalo set an all-time October daily snowfall record, while several areas in Lower Michigan have set records for the earliest measurable snow on record. This is an impressive storm! bob rulz 09:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
The 2 feet was lake-effect, but for October, that is really impressive! It was very localized though; outside of the bands, there were only light flurries. Not article-worthy though being so localized. CrazyC83 16:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I dunno, I was considering writing an article for it. Buffalo NWS said it was the most unusual and extreme event they had ever witnessed. "Unprecedented meteorological parameters" were in place. What exactly does qualify a storm as encyclopaedic? Are there guidelines anywhere? -Runningonbrains 21:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, consider that even though only a small area got a substantial snow, almost everywhere around the great lakes recorded record-breaking earliest snows, even though it was only a few inches at most(see here). -Runningonbrains 22:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I was also considering whether or not it was worthy of an article. Personally, I think that if we can find enough info on it, then someone should write an article for it. There were lots of new stories on it, and the Buffalo NWS probably has a report on it. bob rulz 12:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article

Someone else made the article Lake Storm "Aphid". While it should be renamed (October 2006 Buffalo storm or something like that), I think we should build it up. It is older but poorly-linked. I was looking to see if one existed. CrazyC83 19:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] October 25-26

Huge blizzard expected to drop up to a foot of snow on the Front Range of Colorado, and perhaps 2 feet in the mountains. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out; Denver snowstorms especially have a tendency to be unpredictable. bob rulz 02:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It's turning out to be quite intense already... CrazyC83 17:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah...I wish I lived there. Anyway, just a reminder to people: try not to use Yahoo! links for news! Their links go dead after a short period, and then it would be difficult to go back and find another news source to use. bob rulz 22:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] November

[edit] November 26-December 2

Early models seem to be picking up a potential double-whammy, with severe snow in the northern Plains. (Combined with the severe weather farther south, see Talk:Tornadoes of 2006#November 27-December 1 for that part) CrazyC83 03:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, even down here in Utah there's currently hype over a significant storm. It's not just the Northern Plains. bob rulz 06:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
This could be a case of a rare "split article" being created... CrazyC83 22:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hype about this is starting in Michigan as well. —BazookaJoe 05:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
This storm and the cold that will follow it are looking stronger all the time. The cold associated with it could be historic (for November, at least). bob rulz 08:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Changed date to reflect the storm now moving onshore (and expected to drop 1-2 feet of snow in the Cascades and Sierra Nevada today). bob rulz 10:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like a cross-continent system too...this could affect almost everyone either with heavy snow or severe thunderstorms... CrazyC83 15:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Could finally be snow in eastern Ontario late Friday or Saturday, and maybe a lot--JForget 23:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

As for an article for this, I think it should be considered...although I do want to wait and see what happens beneath the cold front - the blizzards in the Northwest almost warrant one. CrazyC83 02:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Should because of the impact on the Coast, especially Vancouver, they rarely see snow during the winter and even less in November and even less in that magnitude in November. 50 centimetres in some suburbs of Vancouver is quite unusual.

I've added the Midwest, Great Lakes and yes... Eastern Ontario event in the same sub-section, considering the storm will be connecting to the same that caused all the mess in B.C and in the Prairies. Should it still have though a separate sub-section?--JForget 00:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I liked how parts of Oklahoma had an active Tornado Watch and Winter Storm Warning silmultaneously. I hear that Joe Bastardi is thinking about 10-20 inches 75 miles on either side of the line from Tulsa to the Saginaw, calling it equal — for some — to the Feb 2006 NYC Blizzard, one of the greatest of all time. —BazookaJoe 01:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This has some reminiscent characteristics of the 1993 Superstorm too, as it appears that it will be a derecho - and not a tornado outbreak - on the severe storm side. Everything should go together if an article is made. It will likely be the Tennessee Valley on the 30th and the Mid-Atlantic and eastern Great Lakes on Dec. 1st that gets the severe weather. CrazyC83 06:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm living where we don't know if we will get a foot or more of snow or tons of ice. Lastest Canadian (MM & TWN & EC)models seems to gives us a better shot for freezing rain from Thursday Night to Friday Evening and dropping from + 15 to -1 from the afternoon to tonight.--JForget 11:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to recommend an article: Late November 2006 North American Storm Complex so that it covers the blizzard, ice storm and possible tornado outbreak/derecho. Also the North American blizzard of 2006 should be moved to North American blizzard of February 2006. CrazyC83 06:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Article shell now in place at User:CrazyC83/Storm1106. It has a lot ahead though, being sooooo widespread... CrazyC83 04:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Possibility for a rediculous derecho in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast. This really could be almost on the scale of 1993, not quite as bad though severe-wise. SPC outlook
I'll try to find as much information as I can on this storm. However, it is a huge event, and will be difficult to cover. bob rulz 05:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree. This was soooooooo widespread...we'd need to focus on certain parts each. I can't remember anything so severe in so many areas in such a long time... CrazyC83 06:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

While I agree that we should have references, a problem comes up when we reference AccuWeather; they don't keep archives. Tomorrow, when all of the news headlines change, that reference will probably link to something completely different. Also (I know, this probably counts as original research), AccuWeather tends to severely underestimate snow totals, especially in the West, and are always lower than NWS advisories. bob rulz 05:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

See? It now links to something completely different. bob rulz 20:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately I was unable to find anything other than accuweather. We'll have to search pretty hard to find it or else we may run into citation problems. Did anyone copy and paste the text perchance? -Runningonbrains 00:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Nope, not me. Also, maybe this place will work: [2] Weekly weather summaries updated every Tuesday (Wednesday on holiday weekends). It's the best weather summarizing place I've been able to find. bob rulz 00:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
That seems pretty good...and will definately be useful in the future. I only skimmed through the current one but I assume it covers the snowstorm in question. -Runningonbrains 01:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep an eye out for HPC storm summaries. HPC keeps an active archive, and writes storm summaries for those events which cover 3 or more county warning areas and are expected to have a significant impact precipitation-wise and media-wise, like the Late November Nor'easter. Thegreatdr 01:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Can you provide a link? I've been looking for something like that. bob rulz 07:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[3] might be of interest... Storm summary #12 (final) for this event from the HPC, including snowfall and rainfall totals. – Chacor 16:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that link will certainly prove useful. Thanks for providing it. How big does a storm have to be for them to release reports like this? bob rulz 06:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] International winter storms

Hum! Is international events outside North America will be covered, because it could be tagged for limited geographical scope.JForget 00:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If it ultimately wasn't international in scope, the name of the article would need to be changed. Thegreatdr 01:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I would add international events, but unless they're very unusual or extreme events, we don't hear about them here in the U.S. If anyone knows a good place that covers international events, please let us know. It would be great to have them. bob rulz 07:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another December 8 storm

It didn't exactly snow that much where i live, but it was very windy and icy. School was delayed two hours, and one of the buses broke down, so we had to go all the way across town to pick them up. The last of the students didn't get to school til 11. So, my guess is that I need sources to add this to the article. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 15:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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