Talk:Winter Olympic Games

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[edit] Main article

Shouldn't the link to the main article for each Winter Olympic Games be similar to United_States#History? So for Winter_Olympic_Games#1924_Winter_Olympics we can have ...ownage

1924 
Main article: 1924 Winter Olympics

... that I believe makes it much clearer that the paragraph is just a summary, and clearly points out the link to the main article. -- sabre23t 00:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'd rather see those paragraphs go all together, and their contents integrated into their main pages. See also Summer Olympic Games. Aliter 09:59, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Germany & "West" Germany

The "All-time Winter Olympic medal table" section in this article lists "Germany" and "West Germany" as separate countries. I disagree with this; they are the same country. If no-one objects, I'll merge the two. — Timwi 14:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nordic combined

While looking at the 1960 Winter Olympics, the article didn't mention nordic combined in the list of events, and it seems to be the case for some other Winter Olympics. Wasn't it an event back then? Andjam 05:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic medals?

With the unveiling of the new Turin, Italy Olympic medals (see this link from Sports Illustrated), I thought it might be interesting to make a Wikipedia page about the history of the Olympic medals, which could obviously be a full length article with a lot of good history (i.e.- more than just a collection of pictures). Is anyone up for a collaboration to create this kind of page? And where should it be located? Olympic medal or Olympic Games medal, perhaps? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trivial

Dunno if it's worth including, but, according to tradition, Summer Olympics' last event is the M marathon. What is it for Win? Trekphiler 01:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

In most Olympics, it's the men's gold medal hockey match.

[edit] What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team?

Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics --Mais oui! 22:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top ten athletes

Does anybody know where the Top ten athletes list is from and when it has been actualized for the last time? For example Thomas Alsgaard ist missing. He is a norwegian athlete that won already five gold medals in the last winter olympics.

[edit] Spelling/map

What's with the non-standard American English spellings and grammar? And the map doesn't look right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.54.243.242 (talk • contribs).

I restored your grammar/spelling edits. But, when it comes to removing images, it's good practice to leave an edit summary and first discuss on the talk page. Otherwise, it appears like vandalism. As for the map, what about it doesn't look right to you? -Aude (talk | contribs) 02:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Math Problem

ATTENTION: There seems to be a problem: this page, denoting all-time winter olympic medals, and the summer page, show more medals than the combined list of olympic medals. I would like to bring this to the attention of someone who is willing to find out where the problem is; redistribute the medals (based too on the current games) on this page, the all time summer page, and the total medals page; and possibly create three new pages with this data because these pages are important and the way they are now (dis-similar formatting), it is hard to follow. Thank you for your time! —Jared 14:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Locations map

Anyone got anything against replacing the map with the locations with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Winter_Olympics_Locations.PNG ? In that version, the French and Italian islands are coloured in appropriately and the orange colour is darker (in the current map it's harder to see the orange). --HJV 19:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

"THe the Olympics are stupid the olympics are stupid", followed by roughly ten exclamation points, has been put up by hack on the page. This needs to be weeded. --Chr.K. 23:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity/nationality and the winter olympics

The section "Nordic dominance" seems a bit like original research.

However, if the section remains, it may be worth mentioning the sports in which people of African ethnicity have medalled in. Maybe a mention of what sports predominantly non-snowy countries compete in as well (bobsleigh, skeleton, cross-country skiing and aerial skiing come to mind). Andjam 02:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Original research? Terrible researcher, if so. The Nordic countries of Norway, Sweden, and Finland took 6th, 7th, and 12th in terms of overall medals, respectively. And did even worse by gold medals. Denmark and Iceland were not present. I'm having trouble seeing how they got 71% of the medals. I've removed the entire section. -- Jonel | Speak 05:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

By Nordic countries, we mean most of those north of the Alps and west of the Elbe. It remains a fact that compared to the original, the true Olympics, these here are exclussive and most demand hyper specialist equipment (unlike marathon, swimming, athletics, ball games, etc). Furthermore, TV audiences were low and NBC seems to have made a loss on its investment.

Original research? The figures speak for themselves. If Jonel keeps disagreeing, please provide reasons that stand - meanwhile thanks for the input. Politis 20:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That's very clearly not what Nordic countries means. Also, the United States and Canada are neither "non-Nordic European" nor "Asian" nations. They always get some medals, so saying 90% go to European countries that are either Nordic or have long, white winters and 10% go to Asian nations with specialist facilities is clearly false even without debating what Nordic means or the requirements for "long, white winters" or "specialist facilities". The medal table simply does not support your contentions. Find a source for "Nordic dominance" that actually supports your claim, if you wish to add it. -- Jonel | Speak 21:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that's a fair reply. I will try and focus my information.Politis 14:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Largest host city?

The article makes the claim: "Vancouver will be the largest city to host a Winter Olympics". Is it possible that Sapporo might still hold that claim? Sapporo is a much larger city than Vancouver, both in area and population. However, if you include the large cities surrounding Vancouver as a "metropolitan area" (Vancouver + Surrey + Burnaby + several more), then "Vancouver" may have the edge. But maybe not — 1972 population figures for Sapporo would have to be used, which I couldn't find. Thoughts? --Ds13 08:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Nobody else responded, so I dug slightly deeper and found a few more stats. (To be verified against other sources.) In 1970, Sapporo alone had a population of "over 1 million"[1], so in 1972, it would be reasonable to say it had a population of twice that of Vancouver today.
The questions remain:
* Should Vancouver be considered larger?
* Does anyone know what an equivalent surrounding area of Sapporo would include to make this an apples-to-apples comparison?
--Ds13 22:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table of contents

The table of contents is way too long, with a summary for each games. Might I suggest someone making a TOC template for this page that will fit it into a nice small box. If someone agrees but can't do it, I'll do it...just let me know. 'Cause its way too long! Thanks --J@red [T]/[+] 21:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torch Guy

Does anyone know the name of the guy carrying the torch at the top? StargateX1 02:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Picture of John Nowak carrying the Olympic Torch to Salt Lake City and the 2002 Winter Games. Picture from: [2] --As quoted from the image page. Glad to be of service! --J@red [T]/[+] 02:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article/Featured article status.

There's a reason why this article is not a featured one, and I think it is because of its unruly format: there's a heading for each games, and who has time to looks at them all? I suggest we set up a team of individuals who will help restructure this article and bring it up to good/featured status. If we only got it to look like its summer counterpart (which it should look like anyway) then maybe we have a shot. Does anyone agree with this? --J@red [T]/[+] 12:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article renovation

I decided to be bold and I fixed up the page myself. I took out much info regarding athletes, as I though it took up too much space, but feel free to put some back in if you deem it necessary. The sections are also in need of some pictures, so if you can collect some posters of the games or some nice images of athletes, that'd be great. Any other help would be nice! Wouldn't if be great if the trio of articles about the olympics are all featured?! → J@red  21:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article on date change

I would like to create an article about the reason the rule about what years what kinds of Olympics are held changed, but I don't know what the best title is. Any good title?? Georgia guy 02:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, but you could check out Olympiad for suggestions, perhaps. I havn't looked there yet so I don't know if it'll be helpful.
For now, though, if you really want to work on an Olympic article, it would be appreciated if you looked at the Summer Olympic Games page, which has been listed for featured article delisting. This page, too, needs help to become a FA. Thanks. → J@red  19:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Failing

This article needs references or citations, or something. Anything. Please see WP:CITE and WP:LEAD. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ski jumping link

I have moved the link that was in the description of ski jumping into the ski jumping page itself. It looks cleaner this way.

[edit] Distances, styles, and starts

I think a paragragh or two should be devoted to the ever-chaging number and types of events held at the Olympics in the cross-country skiing page. I read on the Turin 2006 Winter Olympics page, that cross-country skiing is alternating the styles (classical and freestlye) in certain events after each olympics. If this could be discussed in-depth, I think it would be helpful. Also, it seems that the distances in some events have been lengthened as well as the starts having been modified. Mass starts, interval starts, and pursuits should also be discussed and differentiated.

[edit] Southern Hemisphere

Someone knows why the Winter Olympics are never held in the southern hemisphere? Has ever a southern country bid to host them?

You are right in that no one in the southern hemisphere has ever bid for a Winter Olympics. The only country to hold a Summer Games in the South Hem. is Australia. I would have to make a big generalization when I say that I believe that most countries in the southern hemisphere do not have the money, security, technology, or even will to bid, let alone hold, an Olympic games. As far as the Winter games, though, I think it's more along the lines of the fact that the little land there is in the southern hem doesn't go far enough south to get the full effects of winter. There is more "Winter land" in the north. I hope that helped! → JARED (t)  15:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe only three countries in the south have the climatic conditions needed (namely New Zealand, Argentina and Chile). Of the requirements listed by Jared, New Zealand seems to be lacking will only; but I'd add tradition.Cloviz 00:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll add that New Zealand may not have the money. The last two Winter Olympics cost a lot of money, and while the economy is strong in NZ, I doubt it could handle the enormous costs of hosting the olympics, even if it is the winter version. Plus, I think NZ is more focused on hosting the Rugby World Cup more than the olympics anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Perakhantu (talk • contribs) 03:41, June 28, 2006.
The Smiggin Holes 2010 Winter Olympic bid is the closest Australia has come to a bid for the Winter Olympics. Which isn't very close. Andjam 15:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The other problem that New Zealand would face putting on a Winter Olympics is that its ski resorts, while possibly of sufficient quality to host a Winter Olympics, are a very, very long way from a city of sufficient size to do the rest of the hosting. Queenstown, New Zealand is a town of 10,000 people, and the nearest city of any size at all, Dunedin, has only about 130,000 people and is about four hours drive by car. Auckland is on the North Island and as such is well out of reach. --Robert Merkel 06:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
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