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The Second Home Rule Bill did not propose partition for Ireland. That was proposed in the Third Home Rule Act (1914) and became a reality in the Fourth Home Rule Act, also called the Government of Ireland Act, 1920. JTD 05:35 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] Nonconformist?
Gladstone was absolutely not a nonconformist. He was a high Anglican and this fact had a huge bearing on his life and beliefs. The error makes me worry about the veracity of the whole article.
- Heavens, we've been claiming that since 2001 [1]. That's rather embarrassing, I don't know how it is that no one ever caught that. Mackensen (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Peer?
According to the article, Gladstone was 'the fourth son of the merchant Sir John Gladstones'. But later it claims he was the son of a peer. A knight is not a peer, and I can't find any evidence that John Gladstones was ever made a peer. Check a biography?
- Gladstones father never was made a peer. I'll check what the situation was with his exams & amend the article later AllanHainey 30 June 2005 14:00 (UTC)
- Gladstone did sit examinations for mathematics & classics, passed both. I can find no reference to him also sitting a seperate history degree or being disqualified from exams due to residency requirements so have removed that part. His father wasn't a Peer in 1831 although did become a Baronet in 1846, don't think thats a peer but it is irrelevant for the purposes of the article. AllanHainey 1 July 2005 07:43 (UTC)
- The Jenkins biography certainly fits with this. He makes it clear that Gladstone "did not pay the extra fees to be treated as a gentleman-commoner (sometimes called nobleman-commoner". Also "He did not work excessively hard at Oxford, except perhaps in the late summer and autumn of 1831, which culminated in his taking two 'Schools' Literae Humaniores and Mathematics, between 7 November and 14 December, and getting secure firsts in both. The feat was the greater because he was not really interested in mathematics. He merely absorbed the subject in order to get the coveted scalp of a double first." So based on Jenkins at least, he didn't qualify without examination, he didn't matriculate as a nobleman-commoner, and didn't study history. I suspect Jenkins would also have noted if Gladstone had been the first person to achieve a double-first. Mpntod July 1, 2005 10:31 (UTC)
- The piece about Gladstone getting he degree without examination was in the 8 volume life of Gladstone in the Oxford Union Library when I read it 20 years ago. The reference to history can be found on the St Deniols Library Web site, they would be likely to get details of that type right about their patron. Of course it is possible that they are simply listing an honorary degree granted long after he went down.
- Gladstone was not the first person to obtain a double first, but he graduated in the first year after Oxford had reformed the examination system.
- The Jenkins biography certainly fits with this. He makes it clear that Gladstone "did not pay the extra fees to be treated as a gentleman-commoner (sometimes called nobleman-commoner". Also "He did not work excessively hard at Oxford, except perhaps in the late summer and autumn of 1831, which culminated in his taking two 'Schools' Literae Humaniores and Mathematics, between 7 November and 14 December, and getting secure firsts in both. The feat was the greater because he was not really interested in mathematics. He merely absorbed the subject in order to get the coveted scalp of a double first." So based on Jenkins at least, he didn't qualify without examination, he didn't matriculate as a nobleman-commoner, and didn't study history. I suspect Jenkins would also have noted if Gladstone had been the first person to achieve a double-first. Mpntod July 1, 2005 10:31 (UTC)
[edit] Arms of W. E. Gladstone
On the article is a picture of a coat of arms attributed as belonging to W. E. Gladstone. As Gladstone never took a peerage, and presumably wouldn't have had a coat of arms already, is this attribution accurate. I thought the coat of arms would be that of his son Herbert Gladstone when he became a Viscount. Anyone know AllanHainey
He lives in my familys castle, the Hawarden birth rite. My name is Hardin now, but then it was Hawarden ----RobertHardin
- I've found out that the coat of arms was actually his afthers (a baronet) which passed to WEG's elder brother on their fathers death. Accordingly I've removed the image. AllanHainey 08:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 1867 Reform Act
The article seems to go off on a tangent in laying out the details of Disraeli's Reform Act 1867. I don't see what relevance this has in a biographical page on Gladstone? - Johnbull 17:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Gladstone and prostitutes
This article [2] asserts that,
"William Gladstone, the on-again, off-again British prime minister for most of the second half of the 19th century, famously liked to walk the streets at night, counseling prostitutes to a more wholesome life. ...
Gladstone wasn't a compulsive streetwalker for virtue all those years: He was, in fact, an assiduous whoremonger [patron of prostitutes]."
I have to admit that this sounds somewhat more likely to me than that he was a compulsive reformer of prostitutes.
Is there any kind of evidence to support or contradict this uncomplementary interpretation of Gladstone's activities? -- Writtenonsand 03:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
- Gladstone didn't use the services of Prostitutes, his charity work in meeting with & trying to persuade prostitutes to give up that life is well documented over his lifetime. There was once an assertion made in a book that Gladstone used the prostitutes he met but there was a court case over the claims & the jury threw them out, on the basis of the (large volume of) evidence, expressing its belief in the high moral character of WEG. I had previously put this in the article but It must've been removed, possibly by the same vandal who added the above comments, I'll see if I can repair it. AllanHainey 08:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- My misunderstanding, I see that you were referring to an external article not to vandalism of our article. Details of WEG's reform work & the court case are still there. AllanHainey 08:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Faith
Why has all mention of Gladstone's strong christian faith been removed, given that it informed many of his policies and speeches? I feel there should be a section on it. Mindstar 14:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rock
His speech on the Gladstone Rock in Snowdonia was important I understand, and the rock is a bit of a landmark. I don't have a photo to hand but it might be useful, along with a mention of the speech which according to a quick Google was a "defining moment in Welsh Liberalism". Coriolise 17:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article name
Why is this here when (if Wikipedia is excluded from the search) both "William Gladstone" and "W. E. Gladstone" get more Google hits than "William Ewart Gladstone"? Proteus (Talk) 15:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
