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[edit] Wikibreak

Hi everyone, Sorry I've been a bit quiet the last couple of days, but I'm just planning a trip back to the UK. So I'll be incommunicado, for the next week or so and I'll re-start this around 10th Nov. cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 10:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm back after driving 1100km in 12 hours, gimme a couple of days, and I'll start back up. Now it's bedtime! Khukri (talk . contribs) 23:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overview table

OK I've had a first pass at adding all the warnings to the above that we will cover. I've highlighted warnings because I think after we have done this we should look at the other talk page templates i.e welcome, shared IP, etc. This is only a first pass, have a look through and make any mods you see fit. I think we should look to start this next Monday? I've already assigned myself three sets of warnings, take the others as you see fit. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 13:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bots

Does anyone know a good bot writer? I think it may come in handy that as soon as someone uses an old template even with the redirect, it comes in behind, tidies it then send the user a polite message with a link to the new overview table? I'll have a look round but would appreciate any volunteers Khukri (talk . contribs) 13:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop in at wikipedia-spam

You guys should sound off some of this stuff or just talk to the folks at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-spam-t, the wikipedia-spam talk channel. It's full of RC patrollers/vandal fighters, bot builders and seasoned admins all of whom are looking to squash vandals + spam. Being one of them, I drop a ton of user_talk warnings all over the place, and anyone there could have some good insight into this project. Take Thadius856's many unencyclopedic external link warning templates - we've been trying out template stuff too. JoeSmack Talk 19:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Done, left a couple of messages on IRC, and want to get hold of Thadius who has done some of your template work. I think we can incorporate your needs into our templates, which allows a more concerted approach to user page messages. Just need to know what you require out of your warnings, and we can try and find our common ground. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 22:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
How has this been going? If nothing, keep trying! :) JoeSmack Talk 02:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Left a message on Thadius's talk page, but no response. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 08:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is anybody out there?

It's helluva quiet with all these names that keep getting added. C'mon get stuck in pleeaassssseee! Khukri (talk . contribs) 14:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm here, but rather busy on Meta at the moment. I'll be able to concentrate on this WikiProject more when I mostly finish up there. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Reaves' grid

Just a couple of days ago I ran upon User:John_Reaves/grid - which seems to be a user's individual way of tracking names of warning messages - a similar thing to what we are doing here. It could come in very handy! -- Chuq 07:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the template that started this whole review, it's almost an exact copy of WP:TT. We will be creating an newer version, using the first table on the overview page. Even though it's not complete yet, looks much neater don't you think ;). If you're interested in some work let me know. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 08:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I just got a reply from John R about this, saying he didn't write it :) the page he said it was from was Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace! -- Chuq 08:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Speedy delete, etc (21 Nov)

Reword delete 0 - 2 to reflect as well as text removal or page blanking, it's to cover deletion of any procedural messages on a page, covers speedy delete, AFD, etc. Khukri (talk . contribs) 15:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Recreate (21 Nov)

Recreation warning 0 - 2 covers spam-warning and recreated Khukri (talk . contribs) 15:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Have any been created

Has anybody here created any of the new templates, such as on a temporary page? I would like to help out, and it would be useful to see some of what we are going for. -- kenb215 talk 03:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm starting here, will finish a first pass for {{test}}, {{delete}} and {{vandalism}} over the next couple of days. Khukri (talk . contribs) 13:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll probably create a few as well over the next couple of days. // I c e d K o l a (Contribs) 18:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd recommend that we're all happy with the template before we go any further, I'll leave it where it is for now, but mod it as you see fit. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 19:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Just so I can get a better idea, should the level 2 warning be similar to the one I created for personal use? User:Iced Kola/T2? Than the level 3 warning should be similar to test4? Also, I'll take up the job of Userpage and talk page vandalism templates, and the creating inappropiate pages templates if there's no objections to that. // I c e d K o l a (Contribs) 20:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the long reply, and if you already know this stuff. First off, trust me there are no objections for people looking for work. I don't know if you seen them yet but there is an overview page that lists all the new templates, along the same lines as WP:TT. More importantly below that is a list of all the old templates, and this is so we can get the redirects in place, but it also acts as a check list to make sure, all the templates are included in some form with the new system. I've still to do groups 5 & 6 but should have that done in the next day or so. The reason I'm saying this is that I/we might identify old templates that could be incorporated into a new one so I don't really want us to get ahead of ourselves. If you look here it's basically the guidelines written by User:Pathoschild and myself and I'd started doing the deletes, and then realised I could add the speedy delete stuff into it as well. Your T2 warning would be fine as a T1, but there will not be a test3 warning anymore, it will be re-directed to {{vandalism3}} as it's a bit ludicrous to be telling someone we're going to be blocking them for carrying out a test, where as we all know it for what it is, it's vandalism. We would like the test warnings to be for literally when people are carrying out tests, anymore than that it's vandalism. Help your self to the {{tpvX}} and {{creationX}} warnings, just added your names to the overview page as responsible for those warnings. Just do them on a page like my template page we'll get a few pages knocked together, see if there's anything amiss and then we can do them in short order after that. Thanks Khukri (talk . contribs) 22:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delete

I'm adding somemore redirects to the overview page, and concerning my deletion proposal on the templates page, about adding the 'deletion of templates' warning to the delete template, I've had no repsonses so tomorrow I'll add them as re-directs. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

OK Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we've waited long enough to garner support for this project, lets get it on!!!! I've had no comments to my delete proposals so I will carry out first versions of the new delete and vandalism warnings, as well as re-doing the test warnings.
Take a copy of my template page here and then create subpages of this project as I have done above. Then post a message saying your done, with the link, and give it a couple of days for other project members to just double check it. Once that's past bad-a-bing, do the redirects and put them into action. The only editors actually doing any new templates so far are myself, User:Pathoschild, and User:Iced Kola.
I've also created the Template:Templatesnotice to put at the bottom of all templates (included in my template page), edit as you see fit. Anyway we've been waiting a couple of months to get here, and I thank you (including the lurkers who have an interest) for your patience.
Right let's see what mess we can make of things. Khukri (talk . contribs) 09:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added myself as "active"

Hi, I just added myself as "active" (by accident). I then realized there was also an "interested" section. While I haven't done anything yet, I want to be more involved than "interested" and if I can, enough to be considered "active", so I left myself there. What is there that I can start on? I've had some experience with reorganizing the templates, as I added the {{spam0}} template, reorganized the spam template nav box, as well as some stuff with getting rid of the -n templates. I just didn't know their was a WikiProject! Let me know what I can do. -- Renesis (talk) 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

First of all welcome onboard. If you are familiar with the spam warnings then you are more than welcome to start with them. Start by taking a copy of this template page here and then create this page copy & pasting the template in. Add your name to the overview page with a link to your new page, and then review the redirects, the existing warnings, and try and making everything fit into the new structure. If you can see any redirects I've not done, that could be incorporated into spam, please add them. As I've said to some of the other editors, feel free, we've put some guidelines in place on the harmonisation page, but the rest is upto you, and you can play to your hearts content ;). Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 23:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
{{spam-warn}} {{spam-notice}} might fit somewhere into your templates. See section 6 Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 14:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I've moded the base template to move the image away from the text and to make it look tidier. I've also added a standard text which looking through the overview can be modified to fit most of our new templates. Here's the base template and I've modified the {{delete}} and {{vandalism}} from templates to follow it. This is only an example so any ideas please feel free I won't be offended, edit away. Anyway I'm off skiing for a long weekend so my work here is done...... for now. P.S. Renesis, Iced Kola & Pathoschild, you've gone quiet, I need you guys to put these in place, Cheers. Khukri (talk . contribs) 20:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Block template for IPs of banned users?

Is there any interest for something like this? Banned users' IPs cannot be blocked indefinitely unless they are on static IPs. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 17:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Certainly, there's always interest. With a mind of trying to harmonise the warnings, it could be included in the level 2 block but it wouldn't have exactly the wording. It's Pathoschild domain the blocks and he's on a wikibreak at the mo. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 21:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] headers

I was a bit confused by this edit: [1], especially since I can't seem to find the consensus on this talk page, Wikipedia:WikiProject user warnings/Help:Everything or the project page for not including headers in warnings. They seem useful for organizational purposes, and save time we'd have to spend typing a unique header each time we use a warning when only a generic one is really needed. --W.marsh 18:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The guys over at WP:UWLS have discussed this at some length, but for us it's a question of standardisation. For example if we take a standard vandal who works through the warnings very quickly we would end up with a page of headers and when a large proportion of the warnings are only one or two lines long we will end up with more headings than warnings. Where a warning template is given to a good editor with a managed talk page, it would be the issuing editor who would add the header, and in this case one warning would/should suffice. But unfortunately the majority of warnings issued do not stop with one warning, and for the same infraction having a warning header automatically each time is unnecessary, and would only fill up a talk page. Regards Khukri (talk . contribs) 21:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject_user_warnings/Creation

I created the article creation warning templates, and I would appreciate if anyone can review them and make any improvements they think would be good. As for the tpv templates, I should get to them on friday or a bit earlier. // I c e d K o l a 22:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fine for me, I think though we can reword slightly to add the re-creation of article/pages as well. What do you think? Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 13:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good work!

I stumbled into this page by accident more or less. I think the outlines on the template page are very good. They are clearer than many of the current templates. I've been frequently frustrated with the number of times a vandal can strike before a ban is put in place. On the pages I watch, most are vandalized by anonymous users with a long history of vandalism. I look forward to being able to use this template structure, which will result in faster bans for blatant vandals in my opinion. Keep up the good work. Thanks, Dan Slotman 22:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it's nice to know there are some poeple out there anticipating our work. Regards Khukri (talk . contribs) 15:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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