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[edit] Full Latin name

I think that the link to the taxon should be to the full Latin name, e.g. Animalia, not Animalia. The reason for the new taxobox format with Latin words in templates is so that a taxobox can be copied from one language wiki to another without having to translate rank names. We shouldn't have to translate taxon names either, and some languages don't have the word "animal" or "chordate" or "insect". -phma 16:37, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That's true, but copying between wikipediae is less important than moving about within them, and using real article names lets people know exactly where a link goes to. Blind copy-and-paste isn't that good an idea in general, since many taxoboxes include common names - for instance red algae was added to a Spanish article. And the taxon names are listed either way, so they aren't hard to fall back on. I don't think the English links create enough trouble that we should stop using them. Especially not while we have things like taxobox_regnum_entry, which should be larger concerns. Josh 23:19, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivisions

I'd like us to be more definite about what to do when the number of group members gets large, namely to move the member list into text when there are more than about 20 list entries (whether subtaxa or informational entries), and into a separate article titled "list of X species/genera/subgroups" when there are more than about 100 or so. In general I think this reflects what happens already, it would just be useful for everybody not to reinvent the concept. Stan 16:14, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree, these long lists don't belong in the taxobox, and even having them in the text of the article could be avoided. But what should an article containing the list be called? For example, the giant list (in the text) of Mammal concentrates on families. I think a good name for that list in its own article would be "List of families in Mammalia". --Yath 22:00, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Sure, or "List of mammal families". I don't have a strong opinion on wording; sometimes "X Y" sounds better, sometimes "Y in X". Stan 00:25, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Unranked groups

I created Template:Taxobox unranked entry for unranked classifications like Catarrhini. Comments? Gdr 14:04, 2004 Aug 30 (UTC)

This looks like a good idea. Nice work on this page, by the way. --Yath 02:39, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with a taxobox

On nl:Patas-aap we use the current version of the en:Taxobox. The position of this taxobox is completely wrong. Can some please help us out and inform us to what is wrong ?? Thanks, GerardM 21:06, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The article got put at the top of the table, since the Taxobox_end tag was missing. I've fixed it. Josh

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Taxobox Usage#Overview

I'd like to suggest adding:

5. For clarity on the edit pages, leave one blank line below the {{Taxobox_end}} line, and the start of the main text.

Like this:

{{Taxobox_genus_entry | taxon = '''''Abies'''''}}
{{Taxobox_end_placement}}
{{Taxobox_section_subdivision | color = lightgreen | plural_taxon = }}
See text.
{{Taxobox_end}}

Firs (Abies) are a genus of between 45-55 species .....

This will help stop accidental edits in the wrong place, by making the end of the box much more visible. - MPF 14:11, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree. This should be standard not just for taxoboxes, but for all infoboxes and templates coming at the startof an article, perhaps even regardless of placement within an article. - UtherSRG 15:09, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation status: "Fossil" is bad

According to the the possibilities listed here, nothing is appropriate for Homo floresiensis. This species is not "only known from the fossil records" (quoted from Conservation status); nor is its extinction "within recent history"; nor is there anything to say about conservation in the text. It has probably been extinct for 12000 years -- pretty straightforward, but there is no category for it.

I suspect that "Fossil" is based on a misconception -- that the records of prehistoric speciess like this one are always fossils. In fact, this is false; and there are slightly incorrect taxoboxes (such as Homo neanderthalensis) that say "Fossil" when some specimens are not fossils.

I suggest replacing "Fossil" with "Prehistoric". This is what I've done in the taxobox on Homo floresiensis; please take a look.

-- Toby Bartels 02:56, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and make the new template. Nice catch! - UtherSRG 03:54, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Should "Fossil" be deleted completely, and replaced with prehistoric. That requires replacing all of the StatusFossil with StatusPrehistoric, but is probably worth doing. Fossils can be mentioned in the main article, rather than in extinction. Existence of fossils does not prove extinction. We now allow prehistoric extinction, which could overlap with fossil extinction. Then there are two categories of extinct--with a date and prehistoric. What happens if something is extinct without a clear date of extinction?Nereocystis 18:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC).

A redirect will be enough, since we can redirect templates. Circeus 19:06, May 12, 2005 (UTC)


If we want to discourage the use of "StatusFossil" in the future, then it should be noted in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/taxobox_usage#Conservation_status. Nereocystis 19:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


I think the distinction between "Prehistoric" and "Fossil" is warranted. As it is (and I expanded the "Conservation Status" explanatory page to reflect this - we do not have an article on "subfossil" and I won't have the time to do one, so if someone can help out it would be highly appreciated), "Prehistoric" denotes extinction of a form between fossilization and Western exploratory contact. Admittedly, "fossilization" indeed is not a uniform date, as is "Western contact" - but the further rather conveniently squats around the Tertiary-Quarternary border and as for the latter, generally the late 15th century is a rule of thumb - Columbus' discovery of the Americas or the extinction of the dodo are two significant dates that fall in that period. Also, the human settlement of Polynesia and the subsequent mass extinction was complete by then.

Thus, "Fossil" would in practice denote Tertiary or earlier extinctions, while "Prehistoric" would denote Quarternary extinctions before Western contact. This is important, because in the case of "Prehistoric" extinction events, an anthropogenic contribution could be evaluated as the Late Quarternary/Holocene is contemporary with the beginning of significant human impact on the environment on a global scale, while localized human alteration of fauna and environment has been present since the mid-late Quarternary (cf. megafaunal extinctions). Also, "Prehistoric" extinctions are open to analysis by molecular biology, while "Fossil" ones are generally not (not even amber fossils are well enough preserved to yield significant information by molecular techniques, and it is not likely that this will change anytime soon due to the degraded state of DNA, proteins etc.)

As it is, the explanation page makes it clear that the distinction between "Prehistoric" and "Fossil" is a somewhat arbitrary one and used for Wikipedia purposes only, not as a scientific classification. Merging the two would probably cause more bad than good, as the Polynesian extinctions, for example (which are extremely significant from taxonomic and biodiversity aspects) or the megafaunal extinctions (which are significant for analysis of early Homo sapiens' and/or changing climate conditions' ecological impact would be lumped with dinosaur extinctions, which were largely part of general evolution (most dinosaur-era species known have a rather wide distribution and are continental species, rendering extinction by anything but evolutionary displacement unlikely). The only problem of sorts that I have with this classification is the term "Prehistoric", which is too ambiguous, but for the lack of a better alternative, I rest my case.

Dysmorodrepanis 22:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extinction status

It took me quite some while to find out what the † meant against the various species in Homo (genus): should there not be some more obvious rubric to explain this to a casual browser? Or have I missed something really obvious? (Oh, and the HTML entity † does just fine, you don't need to memorise the numeric version.) --Phil | Talk 06:53, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

I wish there was. I attempted to find a solution to this in parellel to the removal of the dagger & asterix used as birth & death indicators in the various people lists. The best we have is putting something in parenthesis and explicitly labelling it "extinct" in the listings. (See Cephalopoda, et al) - UtherSRG 14:16, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Is it possible to put a link behind the dagger like this: † or so? Sebastian 22:34, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)
Obviously you prove the possibility (grins), but I will say I find the use of the dagger offensive. It's origins are in religion, and I am extremely uncomfortable with reliigous symbology being used (perhaps unknowingly) for other uses. - UtherSRG 22:47, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
Uh - oh, next thing, you'll be stating that there's such a thing as "evolution"! Seriously, though. If this is a commonly used symbol, just regard it as a "dagger" - a tool for extinction, rather than a cross, a tool for salvation. :-]
LOL! Hardly! *grins* As I mentioned above, the dagger and asterix have been removed from the lists of people for the reason of religiosity. This was done before my input, but I participated and agreed with the switch to using "b." and "d." in the lists. The use of the dagger to indicate extinction is an extension of the use to indicate death. For the sae reasons, it should be deprecated. The typical replacement is "(extinct)", although I suppose "(e.)" or "e." may also work, depending on the placement. (Not to mention {{StatusExtinct}}.) - UtherSRG 00:36, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
What's commonly used in biology? If the dagger isn't, then I'd vote for "(extinct)", which is clear without an explanation. Sebastian 08:16, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)
We're lucky on this.... at least in zoology there doesn't seem to be consensus. I've seen the dagger, I've seen some form of "(extinct)", and I've seen nothing (presumably because taxa as ranks don't go extinct, only the creatures represented by those taxa go extinct). - UtherSRG 09:13, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Examples need sample entries

Taxobox_section_binomial_parens, for example, lists Genus1 and Genus2, but it doesn't say which one should be listed where. Should the original genus be listed here, or should it be the current genus?

All the items in a taxobox, including the footer, should be the current (so in this case Genus2). This template puts the authority (name and date) in parenthesis. - UtherSRG 21:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This description of what to do with genus2 (which is nothing, I guess) needs to be in the main article.

[edit] Template:Taxobox_section_binomial_botany author question

The description for Template:Taxobox_section_binomial_botany says

Botanical references omit the date, and only the first letter of the author's last name is used.

I suspect that this should read

the first letter of the author's first name

which provides more information than the first letter of the author's last name. I'm not confident enough of the information to change it myself.

You are incorrect. For instance, Carolus Linnaeus is shown on botanical authority simply as L. - UtherSRG 21:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The following sentence needs to be changed a bit. Most botanical authors do use more than the first letter of the author's last name, of course. This sentence suggests that the first letter is always used. Perhaps the word 'sometimes' can be added.
(Botanical references omit the date, and only the first letter of the author's last name is used.)

I've come in on this a bit late having not seen it to now, but for clarification - botanists' names are abbreviated to a published index of standardised botanical author abbreviations, so that everyone uses the same abbreviation for the same botanist. Carolus Linnaeus is the only one abbreviated to a single letter (L.); generally the older the botanist, the more abbreviated they were, the next most being Augustin Pyrame de Candolle, abbreviated to DC. (the only botanist apart from Linnaeus completely initialised). For some other examples, Friedrich Schlechter is Schlechter, Diederich Franz Leonhard von Schlechtendal is Schltdl., George Engelmann is Engelm., while more recent authors tend to be left with longer abbreviations, e.g. Frank G. Hawksworth is F. G. Hawksworth (mainly because by modern times, the chances are there's already been another botanist with the same surname before!). I am (slowly!) adding the standard abbreviations as redirects to the relevant botanist - MPF 23:40, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This description is much better than what is written on the project page for Template:Taxobox_section_binomial_botany, which suggests that all botanists use a single letter for their name. Could someone who understands the issues rewrite this section so that it makes sense, yet is still short enough? Nereocystis 07:04, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Syntax update

Now that MediaWiki supports wikitax in templates, isn't it about time we ugraded the Taxoboxes. Here is a demonstration:

Coyote
Coyote
Coyote
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. latrans
Binomial name
Canis latrans
Say, 1823		 
{{Taxobox_begin/new | color = pink | name = Coyote}}
{{Taxobox_image/new | image = [[image:Coyote portrait.jpg|200px|Coyote]] | caption = Coyote}}
{{Taxobox_begin_placement/new | color = pink}}
{{Taxobox_regnum_entry/new | taxon = [[Animal]]ia}}
{{Taxobox_phylum_entry/new | taxon = [[Chordate|Chordata]]}}
{{Taxobox_classis_entry/new | taxon = [[mammal|Mammalia]]}}
{{Taxobox_ordo_entry/new | taxon = [[Carnivora]]}}
{{Taxobox_familia_entry/new | taxon = [[Canidae]]}}
{{Taxobox_genus_entry/new | taxon = ''[[Canis]]''}}
{{Taxobox_species_entry/new | taxon = '''''C. latrans'''''}}
{{Taxobox_end_placement/new}}
{{Taxobox_section_binomial/new | color = pink | binomial_name = Canis latrans
| author = [[Thomas Say|Say]] | date = [[1823]]}}
{{Taxobox_end/new}}


I'm trying to see what's different between that and the existing templates. Could you elaborate please? - UtherSRG 23:28, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Looking at the source, I believe that the difference is that the {| ... |} syntax is being used instead of the <table> ... </table> syntax. – ABCD 02:44, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ah. I'm the initial author of the taxobox templates, and since I know HTML but can't figure out how to make wikitables work, I used HTML. If someone wants to replace all the templates' source code with wikitable code, they should feel free to be bold and do it. IMO, the underlying code doesn't matter as much as the display format. (However, I probably won't edit the template code if it is replaced with wikitable code.) - UtherSRG 03:00, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The other change is the use of class="toccolours" which uses the in-house style for formatting infoboxes. But if there are no objections... ed g2s • talk 04:39, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm not saying there's no objections. 'Cos everyone who I've had previous discussion about taxobox formats knows I'd prefer we didn't have wikicode 'cos I find it so incomprehensible. I will stop counting myself as someone who works with the taxotemplates if they are coded in wikicode. I hate to make this an issue. I know that HTML is deprecated in favor of wikisyntax. Yet no one has been able to show me a benefit of wikisyntax that I've been able to counter by saying the same about HTML. And I hate that I sound like a petulent child when this issue comes up. - UtherSRG 04:56, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I used to prefer HTML, but I have realised that wikitax really is better. For a start it will always produce valid xhtml (people get lazy and don't terminate their <td>'s etc.). Most importantly it looks much neater in the edit box, and most of the text you see is the contents of the table, so for many people editing wikipedia who don't know html - it's much less confusing. I think when you've seen some of the horrible messes of html that I've seen here (capitalised tags, random indents, unterminated block elements) you'd agree that the short and unobstrusive {|'s |-'s and |'s are much better for wikipedia articles. ed g2s • talk 20:35, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Like I said, I can match you point for point of the evils of wikisyntax vs HTML. Closing <td> tags is not needed 'cos wiki will insert them as needed when creating xhtml. Wikitax takes up more lines in the edit box, making it harder to have reasonable context to what you are editing. Likewise, HTML is used in more than just the wiki arena, so folkswho have coded in it will be familiar with it, instead of having to learn Yet Another Formatting Language. In addition, one can play with the HTML code in their browser editor and get it right before inputing the result into the wiki edit box. HTML tags have names that mean something (and are therefor less confusing) instead of being a mish-mash of arcane symbols that are all very similar (and are therefor more confusing). - UtherSRG 21:36, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Auto-closing td's is an ugly hack, and an unecessary drain on the parser. Wikitax can be put on a single line, compare:
<table>
<tr>
<td>Denmark</td>
<td>'''7'''</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Senegal</td>
<td>'''5'''</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Uruguay</td>
<td>'''2'''</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>France</td>
<td>'''1'''</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>3</td>
</tr>
</table>
with
{|
|Denmark
|'''7'''||3||2||1||0||5||2
|-
|Senegal
|'''5'''||3||1||2||0||5||4
|-
|Uruguay
|'''2'''||3||0||2||1||4||5
|-
|France
|'''1'''||3||0||1||2||0||3
|}
the latter is far more concise (characters and lines) and understandable, there is much less chance of a mistace being made. What's more if you can udnerstand the first the one you should have no problem with the second one. If you need to test your code first, MediaWiki is as browser editor, just press show preview. You don't need tags that mean something just to remember them, there's only five of them anyway. <table>, <caption>, <tr>, <th>, <td> are hardly much easier to remember than {|, |+, |-, !, |. Also HTML tags are specific to web pages. Everything in Wikipedia should be marked up in its own language. Parsers are then written to convert into which medium is desired (HTML, PDF etc.) In an ideal world all layout would be done in wikitax, and all styling in CSS. Having HTML in your "source text" makes life very difficult when you want to output to any other format. HTML is continually changing, note that xhtml requires that you terminate br tags (<br />). This has left large numbers of pages on wikipedia outputting non-valid xhtml. Wikipedia does not store files in html and this is for a very good reason. ed g2s • talk 22:48, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Looks like multiple lines to me. As far as width is concerned, TAXOBOX tables only have two data elements per row, and those elements are significantly larger than the tags which separate them. HTML tags tell me what they do. I do not know a |- from a |+ without looking it up in a help page. Thank you for trying to convert me to your religion. I'm fine with my own. If you want to change the source code for the taxotemplates, be my guest, but I will no longer edit or maintain them if they are in wikisyntax. - UtherSRG 00:02, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm a bit late getting into this discussion, but the way the WikiSyntax inserts an extra <p><br></p> (doesn't even / the br!) at the top of the box, and in turn pushing the rest of the article down (see #Extraneous space below), gets on my nerves. Would it break things too terribly to just do the Template:Taxobox begin in HTML to avoid that?
One thing that seems to be getting overlooked in the general discussion here, is that whether it's done in WikiSyntax or HTML, it's not going to be edited often or by the casual user; they'll just be using the {{Taxobox...}} either way, with no idea whether it's going through a <table> or a {| first. So how steep the learning curve is either way isn't a significant factor. - John Owens (talk) 01:47, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC)

[edit] Style

With the advent of wikisyntax to our taxobox templates comes the decision on whether to maintain the style of the default table style (class not set), to use the default table of contents style (class="toccolours"), or to create a new style based in each skin (class="taxcolours" perhaps). Let's discuss (since Ed and I have already had enough fun for the day with our private little edit war). If I understand correctly, "toccolours" will look different in different skins, as would any proposed "taxcolours". - UtherSRG 21:34, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC) Correction: With no forced style, the background color will change. Everything else stays the same, regardless of skin. - UtherSRG 21:39, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Black border
Coyote
Coyote
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. latrans
Binomial name
Canis latrans
Say, 1823
Stylesheet colours
Coyote
Coyote
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. latrans
Binomial name
Canis latrans
Say, 1823

Every element on a page (image box, table of contents, category box, side bar boxes, page frame) uses the default light grey colouring scheme (as in "toccolours"). The black outlined box looks out of place, as does the image which isn't double framed, like every other thumbed image on wikipedia. ed g2s • talk 13:48, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ugh! The grey border look terrible next to the pink we've chosen for animal. Keep pushing for htisall you want, Ed. I don't like it and will continue to push for the staus quo. - UtherSRG 14:20, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
Since when do you represent the status quo? I would've thought the tens of thousands of infoboxes that use toccolours, and the default Wikipedia skin, is the status quo. And what about the hundreds of people who voted on meta for the styling of image boxes? ed g2s • talk 17:51, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
An alternative is to have cellpadding like Mars. ed g2s • talk 17:53, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure you realize I'm talking about taxobox status quo, Ed. And looking at Wikipedia:Infobox, I see that there is no status quo on what box style is to be used. Some have black borders, some have grey, some have thin borders, some have thicker ones. So what status quo are *you* talking about? - UtherSRG 21:00, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
The default Wikipedia skin, used on more than half a million pages. There is not a single element in the stylesheet that defines black borders, and for a good reason, they look out of place amongst hundreds of grey ones. ed g2s • talk 21:39, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Weird domains

Domains

Eukaryota #e0d0b0
Prokaryota gray
Virus violet

So, except for Eukaryota, these aren't really domains. Since both of the first two are broken down completely into kingdoms, having colors for them impacts at most two or three pages, and isn't really that important. A standard for viruses might be more so. However, at the moment virus taxoboxes tend to be caught up in using the non-existent domain, and I'm not sure what do with them. Does anyone more familiar with virology how they're usually handled? Josh

[edit] Extraneous space

I just updated Common Moorhen to use the taxobox syntax. I noticed that the updated article has extraneous vertical space at the top, as compared to the immediately preceding revision (you may have to edit and preview that page to see the difference, which would otherwise be partially obscured by the navigation links for moving between article revisions). I can't figure out what I did wrong; or is this a common problem with taxoboxes? --MarkSweep 01:27, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is a very common problem. You can get rid of it by taking out the paragraph break after the box - it looks like Uther did on your page - but it still plagues many pages. It was caused by the switch to wikitable format, and I'd like to suggest we go back to HTML tables as a result. Josh

Yes, I thought it would go away by removing the extra blank line. However, compare Common Moorhen with Gruiformes, which still uses HTML table syntax. The spacing at the top of Common Moorhen is clearly irregular. Strange, that. --MarkSweep 06:20, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] template linking

in the template, the words kingdom, class, etc. are not linked to. should they be? - Omegatron

Nope. Way early on in taxobox history they were, but we moved away from that. However, there are plenty of taxoboxes out there that need to be updated to the current format. - UtherSRG 20:55, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I was going to "update" an older style box to the newer template style, but noticed the links had been removed. Who decided to remove them? - Omegatron 15:48, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)
As with most such changes, it was a group decision. You can find the dialogue someplace in the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life archives.... - UtherSRG 16:01, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] authority revisited

For a while now I've had the primate and cephalopod taxoboxes augmeted to show authority on each line that is definitive for that box - ie, there is no link for that entry and the entry is bold. (For examples, see primates and tarsier.) I'm mostly happy with this. My concern comes from a mistake I made when I crafted the original authority entries for the taxobox templates. Instead of one entry for author and one for date, there should be a single entry for authority. This entry could take any form (author and date, a & d in parens, multiple authors and a date, botanical entry). Then, instead of having multiple authority templates for the binomial/trinomial portion, the simplified authority template could follow the current simple binomial/trinomial template. (See Goeldi's Marmoset.) Any thoughts? I have a request for a 'bot maker to help me out in making all of the conversions, but I haven't had any bites. - UtherSRG 15:40, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

The easiest thing to do would be to change taxobox_section_binomial to taxobox_section_binomial_zoology. That would only take a simple search-and-replace bot, someone must have one of those. Then a new taxobox_section_binomial could even be phased in manually. Josh (by the way, the ciliates and some other protists also show authorities).

[edit] Synonyms?

Is there any practical way to indicate really common synonyms? --Circeus 01:45, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Define really common. Where would you propose putting them in to taxobox? How would this be better than talking about synonyms in the text. - UtherSRG 01:54, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
Disputed classification, recent changes, mostly. I ran into this when doing Mouse-eared hawkweed, whose latin name varies in scientific publications between Hieracium pilosella and Pilosella officinarum. I was thinking just under the taxon name (Synonym(s), in italic), without a background color.--Circeus 02:14, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
Pick one that's either slightly more common or that is likely to be more common a year from now. Explain the situation in the text. Synonyms require an explanation, othrwise the lay person will think that they can be used interchageably. - UtherSRG 02:37, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
In botany, synonyms abound, but there is only one ACCEPTED name. If we were to give synonyms for all species, we would become a database such as IPNI or the Orchid checklist at Kew]. As to Mouse-eared Hawkweed, the accepted name is Hieracium pilosella. Let's stick to the accepted names and only mention synonyms when really necessary. JoJan 19:08, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Complete classification

I recently inserted some minor ranks, which User:UtherSRG deleted. After reading section 2.6 I now see that this is in accordance with the standard. UtherSRG politely wrote "please no" in his edit, but that didn't tell me the reason. If you do similar reverts in the future, you may want to include a link to the appropriate section.

Of course I will respect whatever has been decided as a standard, but I would like to weigh in my opinion, which is not that of a biologist, but that a normal reader and occasional editor.

The reason why I inserted the minor ranks was the statement "Mollusks are triploblastic protostomes", which made me curious what protostomes are. So I learned to my amazement that I am closer related to a sea cucumber than to a squid. This is the sort of information I expect to appear in a taxobox, so I went on to insert it in a couple more pages.

However, I agree with removing the minor ranks that are not immediately above the rank of the wikipedia article, as UtherSRG did in Cephalopods. I also agree with not relying too much on information that is disputed and can change rapidly.

How about if the standard said: "Include always and only the minor rank that directly contains the article?" Sebastian 22:36, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)

I agree that the edit summaries aren't a good place to put discussions, so thanks for bringing it up here. Your insertions are quite fine for Mollusk, particularly and especilly because of the statement you call out. You also cal out the reasons for my reversion quite nicely. I like your proposal, although perhaps we can soften it a bit. "always and only" is a bit too rigid. Sometimes some additional levels will be good, but too many will just be overload. UtherSRG 22:58, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
Fine with me! Sebastian 23:52, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)

[edit] Chronostratigraphic period

Something really interesting to add to the taxobox (not only for fossils, but for any eukaryote taxon) is temporal distribution. A problem could be the consequential distinction between etages (e.g. Lutetian,...), epochs (e.g. Barremian, Eocene,...) and periods (e.g. Permian). See Geologic timescale. I am really clueless on editing the taxobox myself, that's why I ask it here. Phlebas 16:21, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] why i think the multiple template structure for taxoboxes sucks

i frequently add images from commons to wikipedias i can't read

i do this by following interwiki links from commons to the wikipedias and then if there is no image adding one.

however if i come accross a taxobox built from multiple templates i have to either put the image outside the taxobox (which looks messy) of figure out wtf they called the template to insert an image in the taxobox structure. single template taxoboxes with named parameters tend to clearly show which permaters are not specified and taxoboxes built from raw markup are easy to edit regarless of the language of the text in them.

furthermore use of templates in this way is a VERY BAD thing from a database point of view. (every template you use means an extra query when rendering a page)

It isn't a very good system, I'll agree. The problem is that taxoboxes need to be flexible, so at the moment, the only alternative to multiple templates would be scores of customized single templates, which is not reasonable. A change to the software is required before we can change. Josh

Huh? Are you saying it's hard to get to the images? You can simply click on them from the article view to find out what images are being used, you know. grendel|khan 19:37, 2005 May 26 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal: dual colors

The French taxoboxes use differing colors for the main title and the section titles (Classification, name). How about we implement this in english to? (the background colors are too ugly, though.). Circeus 14:06, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image size?

Is there a preferred image size? The examples list 200px, 250px, and 270px. Can there at least be a recommended size so that the infobox doesn't get grotesquely stretched out of shape? grendel|khan 19:38, 2005 May 26 (UTC)

I standardize at 200px for species and 250px for higher taxa. Circeus 19:52, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
generally i size the image by trial and error so it has no white borders beside it (which i think look bloody ugly) but doesn't streth the taxobox much. Occasionally i will crop an image to give it an aspect ratio more suited to the taxobox its in. Plugwash 23:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I concur with Plugwash. I also try to avoid white borders. I use sizes between 200px and 250px, depending on the taxobox and the information in the picture. If necessary, I edit the picture in Photoshop, as to obtain a perfect picture showing the requested information. JoJan 11:22, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation classifications

Hello everyone. Could anyone please provide a guideline for non-biologists like me who occasinally write an article about a species on how to translate CITES conservation labels to the ones available here? I'm currently struggling to put together my first taxobox and I've plumped for 'vulnerable' to translate CITES 'R' (rare) rating... The CITES / UNEP-WCMC database is a great place for this info, but I may be way off in my choice of mini-template!

Many thanks, ~ Veledan • Talk + new 18:25, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

You may want to check out http://www.redlist.org, the IUCN Redlist. It's the model we used in creating the various tags. What species are you working on? - UtherSRG (talk) 18:50, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I did check there, but my genus (Charonia) isn't listed (nor the best known species, C. tritonis). I'm about to publish the first draft of the article at Triton (mollusk), so give me a couple of mins and that link will turn blue. I'm no biologist; I just have a fondness for this species from when I was introduced to one as a child and I was sorry to find it missing from wikipedia :-) I'll be glad if anyone can correct my taxobox or the article content (it's based on what I've been able to sift from web browsing, so unreferenced). ~ Veledan • Talk + new 20:14, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "How to read a taxobox" link

The link (?) to How to read a taxobox is throwing off the centering of the taxoboxes and also cluttering them up. I recommend that it be moved somewhere else, or even deleted in the meantime. At present I haven't figured out a better way to link it. --Yath 17:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It used to be placed using the style position: absolute; right: 0.2em; top: 0.1em which didn't affect the centering of the title. However, User:Sperling changed it to float:right; padding:0 .5em 0 2em with the comment "'?' markup was broken, it was displayed outside the box in standards compliant browsers like Firefox or Opera". Now, if I understand the relevant section of the CSS 2.1 standard correctly, it is in fact Firefox and Opera which are rendering this style wrongly. But that's moot because the aim is get it right for as many browsers as we can. Gdr 17:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
In that version, Gecko browsers displayed the ? in the upper right-hand corner of the entire page and not inside the taxobox. --Yath 17:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Indeed; whereas the CSS spec says, "[For position:absolute, the top/left/bottom/right] properties specify offsets with respect to the box's containing block", and if I understand correctly, the table cell is the containing block in this instance. Maybe placing the ? within another block element would trick Gecko into doing the right thing? Gdr 17:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I've been trying to find somewhere to comment on the taxobox '?' link to "How to read a taxobox", and I hope this is the right place. The page explaining a taxobox is very clear and helpful, even though I knew that the taxobox was obviously showing the taxonomy. I just found the random '?' to be a bit confusing. It is not clear what it is, and you have to click on it, or hover the mouse cursor over it, to find out what it is. Would it not be better to have the link as a superscript note to the Scientific classification link in the taxobox? This would also solve the problem you are discussing above. Or to have a heading for the taxoboxes saying what they are, and to have the link there instead? Essentially, I am saying that I think the '?' link is unecessary and distracting to those who know what a taxobox is, and it is mysterious and confusing (never seen a '?' sign used this way before in wikipedia) to those who might think of clicking on it. 194.200.237.219 10:46, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "wiki standard" infobox style

So Cantus keeps trying to impose gray borders in taxoboxes, claiming "wiki standard". I thought that was being discussed at Wikipedia:Infobox standardisation for a while but then was abandoned. So where is this standard coming from? Anyone know? Cantus isn't talking much lately. --Yath 18:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Native Flora

I've just been looking at the recient cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Flora_by_countries it seems to me that some sort of template system could be used to list the native plants of a country. So we could have {{flora|China}} for plants in China. These could link into an apropriate set of catagories as a part of Category:Flora by country. Thoughs? --Pfafrich 12:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use of "subdivision" in botanical taxoboxes

I first noticed this in the taxobox for Asteraceae: "subdivisions" is being used in an apparently colloquial but confusing way to denote groupings within the family. As this term has a precise meaning as a specific taxonomic rank above the level of family in botanical nomenclature (a "division" is equivalent to a "phylum", and "subdivision" to "subphylum") I would suggest finding another term to use. MrDarwin 23:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it to "Subfamilies", referring to the three main groupings. I hope this is correct; the taxonomy in the taxobox does not agree with the text: "The numerous genera are divided into about 13 tribes. Only one of these, Lactuceae, is considered distinct enough to be a subfamily (subfamily Cichorioideae); the remainer, which are mostly overlapping, are put in the subfamily Asteroideae (Wagner, Herbst, and Sohmer, 1990)." Someone who really knows what he's doing should take a look. Eugene van der Pijll 23:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] species groups, subgroups and complexes

In some branches of the taxonomy, unoffcial ranking such as species group, species subgroup and species complex are used to wade through the large number of species in the genus (such as Drosophila). Would it be possibe to add those levels to the taxobox? --KimvdLinde 21:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe that these groups are normaly given names like "Drosophila virilis species group". How would you expect them to appear in the taxobox? Some possibilities are:
  1. Species group: Drosophila virilis species group
  2. Species group: D. virilis species group
  3. Species group: D. virilis group
  4. Species group: D. virilis gr
  5. Species group: D. virilis
The first is probably too wide to fit. The first and second repeat "species group" which seems rather odd to me. The last is potentially confusing with the species itself. Gdr 21:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
The extended way is indeed Species group: "Drosophila virilis species group", but in short it goes as "virilis group". The above level already indicated that you are at the genus Drosophila and species is redundant. I think adding the categorisering as group (melanogaster group), subgroup (melanogaster subgroup) and complex (melanogaster complex) will reduce confusion of the D. melanogaster species group from D. melanogaster.--KimvdLinde 21:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, that makes sense. I added these parameters to the template:

| species_group
| species_group_authority
| species_subgroup
| species_subgroup_authority
| species_complex
| species_complex_authority

It's up to you how you format the name in the table: if "melanogaster complex" is the usual approach then that's fine. However, an article on the complex ought, I think, to be given the full name, i.e. "Drosophilia melanogaster species complex" since it's not impossible that some other genus has a species with the epithet melanogaster. Gdr 21:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Gdr, thanks. This facilitates my project considerably. I have made a box at a test page User:KimvdLinde/Drosophila melanogaster with a link to the page dealing with the subgroup User:KimvdLinde/Drosophila melanogaster species subgroup. --KimvdLinde 22:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Good luck with your fruit fly pages. Gdr 22:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Alliance

The rank "Alliance" doesn't show up with the Gdrbot in botanical taxoboxes. See Encyclia. Alliance is a rank under subtribe, used especially in orchid taxoboxes. JoJan 18:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I added alliance and alliance_authority to the template. Gdr 19:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

"Alliance" is not a recognized botanical rank under the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. Its modern usage, as with orchids, is strictly casual and it means approximately the same as "group". MrDarwin 14:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure, but taxoboxes have never been restricted to formal ranks. Gdr 15:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Candidatus template

Can some who is knowledgeable please add a space to the candidadus taxobox template. See Phytoplasma for the problem. Onco_p53 22:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

There is a known bug where spaces sometimes get lost. If you use it displays the proper results. I made this update to the linked page and also abbreviated the entries so that it doesn't wrap on every line. --CBDunkerson 23:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I have been out of the loop for a while (nearly finished my thesis). Onco_p53 06:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Type genus

In my opinion it would be a good idea to include a type genus template into taxoboxes of families. The only type template available at this moment is the template type species. JoJan 13:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added a type genus entry just above type species. Same usage. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unnamed species

Southern Bobtail Squid has been put in a genus but has not yet received a species name. Is it appropriate to have a taxo-box or not, and if so how should it look? The bellman 00:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I think we should wait until a species has been described and a name published before we add a taxonomy to the article. (Compare Kinabalu giant earthworm and Kinabalu giant red leech, two invertebrates that I believe are still undescribed.) Gdr 00:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikispecies

Should the taxobox support a link to wikispecies? (This might save some space in articles that use the {{wikispecies}} template.) If so, how? Gdr 20:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hrm. Perhaps. I know I've only placed the template on articles so that the template corresponds to the (or each) bold entry in the taxobox. Perhaps putting an indication there, or replacing the bold with a link to the species article? - UtherSRG (talk) 21:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with replacing the bold format with a wikispecies link. I think it's important that the reader is able to quickly look at the taxobox for aardvark and see that they are dealing with a page that covers Tubulidentata, Orycteropodidae, and Orycteropus simultaneously. If these are linked to wikispecies, they'll say "I wonder what else is in this family" only to find themselves lost in another wikiproject. I think a new section for "familia_wikispecies = Orycteropodidae" that would output "Wikispecies: Orycteropodidae below the "familia_authority =" would be useful though. --Aranae 20:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


I think there should be one simple link to Wikispecies in the taxobox to the specific class/genus/species or whatever the article is on. The point of Wikispecies is to go far more in depth than Wikipedia, and so it should have every classification category, unlike Wikipedia which ought to only list the important ones. A link in the currently unused taxobox title-text would allow an interested person to go from the general information to the detailed, specific scientific information while keeping the focus of each Wiki. I wrote a bit of code that links to the classification-format Wikispecies page if there is a binomial or trinomial name, and otherwise a Wikispecies link to a page of the name of the Wikipedia page. That common name-format page can then be redirected by the initial editor to the proper classification-format page, which we know already from the Wikipedia information. For examples, I've already done this with the whale and oak taxobox usage examples. This code would replace the simple {{{name}}} towards the start of the template:

{{#if: {{{species|}}} | {{#if: {{{binomial|}}} | [[Wikispecies:{{{binomial}}}|{{{name}}}]] | [[Wikispecies:{{{trinomial}}}|{{{name}}}]] }} | [[Wikispecies:{{{name}}}|{{{name}}}]] }}

Test it out. The few problems is that right now the bi/trinomial names have formatting marks for italics which need to be moved outside the {{{bi/trinomial}}}; it's a widespread problem but a very quick fix. The other problem is with multiple bi/trinomial classifications; a simple fix would be to add a {{{bi/trinomial_2}}} input. It shouldn't be too hard to go back and fix existing taxoboxes and should be very simple when creating new taxoboxes. This, I believe, would help fill the gaps and properly bridge Wikipedia and Wikispecies. RttlesnkeWhiskey 05:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

While your wikicode is probably correct, having the link in the taxobox is not. Links to external sites, including sister projects, should be in the External links section. Sister project links are generally put in a sister links box in that section. (Such as {{Wikispecies}}.) - UtherSRG (talk) 14:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link to year in science

I've been thinking for a little while now that our taxobox year links should be links to that year in science and not just to the year itself. Or perhaps expanding the year in science articles to include references to the publication the authority is derived from. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

In addition, some folks have been removing the links to years in taxoboxes, feeling they are complying with WP:DATE. I disagree on this matter, but if we link to "year in science" or some other such article, we will be compliant. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I am in line with WP:DATE. What is the value of linking years to either the year itself, or to the "year in science" equivalent? I think links should add to the article, and years are just too general. KimvdLinde 18:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think a year link to other species discovered in that year might be somewhat useful/illustrative. As it is, year links to an overall year are entirely too broad and really don't add anything except unnecessary visual link clutter. --Cyde Weys 19:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is a big issue either way, but in this case I'm inclined to leave the year links in. Often a whole slew of taxon identifications by a particular authority all take place in the same year... when they released a particular book with various findings. Since those texts are significant to the history of taxonomy they ought to be present in the list of events for the year (or the 'year in science')... having the year link there makes it easier to check whether the information is already present. Alternatively we could link to an article on the text in question (if it has an article). --CBDunkerson 19:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem with just ordinary years is that the signal-to-noise ratio is poor. They "cry wolf" so often that they can no longer function like other links do. Some year articles have over 100,000 pages pointing at them. Content in ordinary year articles is clustered randomly across many domains and is almost the opposite of 'relevant'. Reducing overlinking of dates will improve the signal-to-noise ratio and reduce the likelihood that good links will get lost amongst useless ones.
I agree with KimvdLinde, but if people really want it, a link like "year in science" is certainly more focussed. It will be much more inviting to the reader that has learned to ignore the random content of ordinary year articles. The reader must see the difference so it must state the destination "2004 in science" visibly rather than be piped and camouflaged as just another ordinary year link. bobblewik 20:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't see the point. So Gobius fluviatilis Nardo, 1824 was named and published in the same year as Leptinotarsa decemlineata Say, 1824. What's interesting about this connection? Gdr 22:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Very little, but perhaps a tad more than the birth of Wilkie Collins. :) Rich Farmbrough 22:43 23 March 2006 (UTC).

I'd tend to agree with linking to year in science, but am not too bothered about it (particularly as I'm dealing mainly with plants, where dates are not given at all in author citations) - MPF 13:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the year links add anything at present, year in science is only a slight improvement, and list of all taxa described that year is only a bit better. I think people often fail to realize just how many taxa are described each year. It would be nice if we could automate it somehow so that if a year is linked in a taxobox, that bolded name goes on the list for taxa described that year and links back to the taxon name. It should be arranged taxonomically, though as alphabetical would also be almost useless. --Aranae 20:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
For the amount of work that would take and the very small amount of payoff I guess it isn't worth it. --Cyde Weys 20:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Useful page

This is a very useful page! I've found several animals and plants that don't have this, so I'm going to add them in. Anyone want to help? Sarah crane 19:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm having a hard time finding which animals and plants don't have a taxobox. Is there a list? Sarah crane 19:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultivars?

What about cultivars? Two types of vegetables may be the same species, but have different cultivars, and they might have different articles. Should they have different boxes? Sarah crane 13:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they should. Cultivars are not biological species, and it was decided that they shouldn't have a taxobox (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive11#Cultivars.3F and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive13#Cultivars for the discussion).
Instead they should have an {{Infobox Cultivar}}. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Cultivar infobox for instructions on how to use it. Gdr 17:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! It's great that that already exists! It's not used much though. Sarah crane 17:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's not compulsory to have an infobox on every article. But yes, it needs an enthusiastic editor to find articles to add it to. Gdr 17:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status + Fossil Range

I noticed that when using both Conservation Status and Fossil Range arguments, a pretty large gap is present in the taxobox header between these fields. Any way to fix this?Dinoguy2 16:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phylogenetic nomenclature

Rank-free taxoboxes must be very easy to make. The linguists have never introduced formal ranks – look what the "language family" section of the info box at Northern Sotho language looks like.

Surely we can simply copy this?!?

This would save us from a lot of splitting and lumping ( = people saying "these shouldn't be two subphyla of the same phylum, they are so different they should be separate phyla, even though I agree with the rest of the world that they are each other's closest relatives" or the opposite) – just like it spares the linguists the decision of whether something should be called "language" or "dialect", at least in most cases.

David Marjanović | david.marjanovic_at_gmx.at | 13:55 CEST | 2006/4/25 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.130.1.135 (talk • contribs) .

We don't make the decision about whether something is one lump or two. We report on what the leading science says is one lump or two. People are going to be lumpers and splitters no matter how we report the lumping and the splitting. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taxobox needed template

I have been looking for a template to request a taxobox, in this case for the sordes article. I have for the moment used the diagram request and specified that what was needed is a taxobox. Is there a way of requesting a taxobox, is there a template in this case?? --Francisco Valverde 17:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Requests like this should go on the talk page, not in the article. You could add Category:Tree of Life cleanup to the talk page, perhaps via the template {{TolCleanup}}. However, I'm not convinced anyone actually looks at these cleanup categories. So in this case you'd probably get a better result by making a request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dinosaurs. It might even be easier to do the research and write it yourself! Gdr 17:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Done, taxobox for the sordes... You were right, it was much easier! Thanks anyway. --Francisco Valverde 18:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation status of unlisted species

If I consult IUCN's database of threatened species and a species is not listed there, should the taxobox say status unknown, or status secure? Neil916 23:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

"Unknown", surely, unless you have a source for the organism being secure. However, it's probably best not to give the conservation status in the taxobox in this case. Gdr 09:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] range maps

I've been having trouble with some range maps in the taxoboxes, for example the Jervis Bay Tree Frog and Archeys Frog. Can someone have a look at them an let me know whats going on. Thanks.--Tnarg 12345 09:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The range map of Jervis Bay Tree Frog is OK now, by adding range_map_width. But the range map of Archeys Frog resists any likewise attempt. Is it perhaps because the range map.png hasn't been scaled down to 300 x 400 px ? JoJan 13:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I used the same basic map for all the Leiopelma frog, and it works on Hochstetters Frog. Maud Island Frog and Hamiltons Frog so I don't know why it doesn't work on Archeys Frog. Thanks for fixing the Jervis Bay Tree Frog.--Tnarg 12345 21:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that have a zero alpha channel was the problem. I've uploaded a fix. By the way, you'd get smaller image size for this kind of image if you palettized the colours and minimized the colour table (4 colour/2 bits should be plenty, you just need white, grey, black and transparent). Gdr 21:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IUCN ref's in taxobox and footnote style

There is an issue with the footnote style and the automated insertion of the IUCN references. I think we should make a footnote in the taxobox linking to that reference, so that it can be added automatically to the <references/> when those are used. I am fine with footnotes in the taxobox, but are others as well? We need to address this question before asking beastie bot to run again. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

See Australian_Ringneck for an example of how I think it should be. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Siberian Spruce

I found this page while patrolling the Wiki. I was wondering if someone could help with it? I'm not much a plant person thanks. BJK 18:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anamorphs

We need a way to add anamorphs or teleomorphs for fungi. Many fungi have two different scientific names one for the sexual and one for the asexual stage as historically these have often been identified as different species. This should probably include the ability to link to a separate article as there may be instances where each form has its own page. Maccheek 16:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the two articles be merged, and the "synonym" section of the taxobox used to show the junior name? - UtherSRG (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to determine authority for taxbox?

I created a new article (Orange-belted bumblebee) and am curious how I can determine the binomial naming authority for this species? Is that publicly available somewhere? --MattWright (talk) 20:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Check WP:TOL. It lists several sources for authorities. In this case, I did a Google search for "Bombus ternarius" and came up with this. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info! --MattWright (talk) 21:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Does everyone know about ION? --Aranae 08:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe it gives authorities, although it does point to recent papers. If the species is rather new, that would be a way to fidnd the authority - go directly to the publication of the species! But if the species is not new, such as the previously mentioned bee, it is no good. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
It does give authorities, it's just not comprehensive. It's particularly poor for older taxa. It also doesn't distinguish very well between aspects of nomenclature such as who elevated a family to family first and who is the actual authority (they may have named it as a tribe or subfamily). ICZN is planning to put together an easily searchable database of descriptions, revisions, etc. and they're potentially using ION as their starting point. --Aranae 16:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plant cultivar infoboxes

I wonder if someone with template expertise would be able to modify the Cultivar infoboxes to "wrap around" the picture in the same way that the taxobox does? At the moment there is white space either side of the pictures (at least on my monitor) which makes the infobox much wider than it needs to be.--Melburnian 09:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] other projects

Why can't the taxobox template include links to the relevant page at Wikicommons and Wikispecies, if applicable? (Like the French one.) Thanks, –Outriggr § 07:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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