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[edit] Naming conventions

Re: Naming of cities, saints. We can follow the names used in PSGC as it is considered standard by the NSO. I would like to site examples from Laguna [1]: Calamba is named City of Calamba and Sta. Cruz is named Santa Cruz. Alternate forms can become redirects. - Bluemask 14:01, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Re: saints, I agree that Sta. and Sto. be Santa and Santo instead and I've done that for the lists of municipalities in the provincial articles. The problem lies with cities: Should we use the official name, the semi-official name or the popular name? To cite examples in Metro Manila:
 Official Name (PSGC)      Semi-official Name     Popular Name
 City of Manila            City of Manila         Manila
 Quezon City               Quezon City            Quezon City
 Pasay City                Pasay City             Pasay City
 Kalookan City             Caloocan City          Caloocan
 City of Makati            Makati City            Makati
 City of Malabon           Malabon City           Malabon
I tend to go with the semi-official choices. I pretty much don't think all articles should be titled with the official names of the article's subject (e.g., Philippines vs. Republic of the Philippines), but I find using Makati too colloquial, while City of Makati is too formal. Thus we have Makati City. --seav 14:26, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I vote for Popular Name then. And to include the formal name on the article perhaps? Bluemask 14:32, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think all the cities and municipalities should be named using their popular name followed by province (i.e. Talisay, Negros Oriental). That's how all the US city articles are named, even the very biggest ones (New York, New York). BUT maybe we can make an exception for the cities in Metro Manila and those classified as Highly Urbanized Cities-- for those we should just use their popular name (Makati, Quezon City, Bacolod). And of course, use redirects liberally. --TheCoffee 05:03, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My personal opinion is to go with what broadsheet newspapers and traditional encyclopedias use. And I think we are doing that right now. (In terms of consistency, this method is not consistent, but I never place too much emphasis on consistency in naming articles.) --seav 21:03, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As a followup, I prefer New York City to be under New York City (which it is as of February 3, 2005), instead of New York, New York (see all the relevant discussions at the talk page). --seav 21:23, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I must clarify that we use the popular English names of the cities, not just any "popular" name (Manila is more popularly called locally as Maynila). As for unusual names (I've changed the wording on the article btw) like Island Garden City of Samal, I think we can ignore those since its like saying "Big Apple City of New York". When I was still in Davao, we call the municipality of Samal as "Samal" while referring to the island as "Samal island." There's also the fact that Philippine cities/municipalities are classified according to different levels/standards (Metro Manila cities, Davao City are among the class A, being independent from any provincial administration). --Chinfo 06:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] City/Municipality template

How about a template for cities/municipalities? Should it follow the sectioning of the province template? I've been working on Valencia, Negros Oriental and followed the province template closely. TheCoffee 07:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think it's about time we create a wiki template for the infobox of cities and municipalities. This should of course be modeled after the province template: (Template:Infobox Philippine province and Template:Infobox Philippine province (with note)). --seav 13:47, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, I found this site (in Chinese, for some reason) that has information apparently from the 2000 census. Perhaps I could make a program to parse this information and generate stub articles for all the cities/municipalities, as I made for the towns in Negros Oriental (see Amlan, Negros Oriental). The Philippines' own Rambot. :) TheCoffee 07:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Think you can do that? Hehehe. I think the information they have was taken from the National Statistical Coordination Board's Philippine Standard Geographic Code. I use that as my primary source for the information on the provinces. --seav 13:47, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked that site but it didn't seem to have any information about the populations of cities/municipalities. Though it does have their barangays, and that will be helpful... Anyway, I could generate pages for all the cities/municipalities, but I don't want to act until we have a standard format for them. I wouldn't want to have to go back and change everything after it's all been added. Here are a few questions that need to be answered...
  1. Should we have an infobox? And if so, what should be in it? The Rambot articles don't have any infobox. I'm not sure if it's necessary - or preferable - since we don't have all the information like population density, area, or city seals.
  2. Blank sections? The province articles have blank sections for culture, economy, history, etc. They encourage people to contribute, and help keep the articles consistent with future edits. But with all the small towns that we have, a vast majority of those sections are likely to stay placeholders for years. Or forever. :/
  3. Locator maps? I made a few very simple locator maps for the Negros Oriental towns, following this format, but the ones that you made look better. :)
I still haven't been able to find a good site with statistics like area, or other census information. With the standardized information that's available, I can just make a page that looks like this. TheCoffee 18:29, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think cities, at least, should have an infobox. Let's deal with municipalities later. About sectioning, I'm not sure we should standardize at the moment. I suggest we improve Manila, Makati City, Legazpi City, and Cebu City first (perhaps standardize the sections?) and use that as a guide in dealing with other cities. As for locator maps, I can probably do locator maps once a week. The only problem I have is getting a nice base graphic to base the internal borders from. I already have locator maps for Cavite, Rizal, Cebu, Albay, and Metro Manila. I can reformat Negros Oriental to follow the others, if you don't mind. :) I got the internal borders for Cavite and Rizal from their websites and Cebu from Mapcentral very painfully. --seav 22:08, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So that's how you made those maps... nice work. :) I definitely do not mind you reformatting the maps I made (and perhaps I could help with that if I can perfectly follow your style). As for the internal boarders, I don't know any easy solution aside from hoping to get lucky with Google Image search. :/ Anyway, do you think you can standardize a city/municipality format? I'm looking forward to generating 1000+ pages. :) TheCoffee 12:05, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, I think we should build a consensus first. I don't know enough about cities to know which sections are common and which are not. That's why I suggested the cities above to serve as standard-forming guinea pigs (I think we should also include obscure cities like Isabela City to add variety). :) --seav 15:08, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I made a Template:Infobox_Philippine_city and deployed it in Cebu City and Marikina City. It's based on some of the templates (made by you, I think) that I saw on some cities. What say you? I'm not sure about including "Founded" and "Cityhood" in the infobox... perhaps not all cities have a date/year of foundation. TheCoffee 11:57, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Most places have a year of foundation. It should be part of that place's history. Nevertheless, we can always leave it blank and hopefully the MediaWiki template syntax can have if-empty-then fields or something. --seav 15:08, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tourist attractions

Is tourist attractions part of the province page format? A lot of the provinces don't seem to have that section. TheCoffee 17:22, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure either. But I guess a better section title would be Highlights. That way, we can place everything notable about the province that are not only tourist attractions and that don't fit in other sections (like People and Culture).
Yeah, "Highlights" would be a better title. How about I sweep through the province articles and add a "Highlights" placeholder section to them (and rename "Tourist attractions" if applicable)? TheCoffee 10:55, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation

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[edit] Project directory

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[edit] Bohol

Just checking: the current article on Bohol refers to the LGU Bohol Province, right? It is not the article on Bohol Island which should be a different article...Please clarify. Thanks! Guest818 17:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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