Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peru

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[edit] New Banner

I created a new banner to put up on talk pages of Peruvian-related articles, in particular major cities, regions, Presidents, politicians/political figures, political parties, political pressure groups, governmental institutions, and key historical figures. Please help the project by adding the following banner to the talk pages of the articles found in these templates and categories:

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[edit] I'm Going to Start a New Article

Hey iu guys I've just obtained an enciclopedy from Perú on wich i see very good articles. The article I'll create is "Peruvian Society".--Walter Humala |Talk?17:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't plagerize. --Descendall 20:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Sure I won't.

Everyone might want to keep an eye on this; this guy has uploaded stuff that looks like copyvios to me in the past, he fradulently claimed to be an administrator, and he got angry at me and called me an "idiot" when I pointed out that he was lying. In short, he has 0 credibility, and I'm willing to bet good money that he plans on uploading copyrighted material. --Descendall 19:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

We already have an article that covers that topic Culture of Peru. Please redirect that page to the Culture of Peru article and place your contributions there. Remember to cite sources, be NPOV, and always double check for spelling and grammar. Also, please be careful in uploading copyrighted material. If you need some help in finding out what you can upload see Wikipedia:Uploading images and Wikipedia:Fair use. You might also want to avoid using ALL CAPS when making titles. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 01:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I really think this Descendall guy has no sense of humor on me. We ought to chat someday.--Walter Humala |Talk? 05:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Template

Hey guys, I suggest to create an image license template, related to peru gov's pictures which can be found on peruvian official websites. I think that would help us on enlarge peru's gallery.--WalterHumala |wanna Talk? 03:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh, what is it? The only template that I can see from your edits is User:Walter Humala/template:nazi. --Descendall 03:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I missread what you wrote, I thought that you wrote that you had created one. --Descendall 03:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hold on, first I want to know if its ok to gather images from ".gob.pe" webs (government sites).--WalterHumala |wanna Talk? 02:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User Template and User Category

I would just like to bring to everyone's attention that a category and template have been made for project members. Feel free to add them to your user page to indicate membership to this project.

On a side note, I know I haven't been very active recently, so recruiting and activity for the project has gone down lately. The reason I haven't been very active is because of university which is keeping me bogged down with work. Anyway, winter break is coming soon and I'll see if I can get this place back and running like before during that period. I've been considering big changes to the project page itself, creating much more pages instead of just one main page, aswell as doing these "assessments" that many other projects have started doing. Anyway, I hope we can keep this place more active.--Jersey Devil 04:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah right, you've just been watching RU football. --Descendall 06:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Army, Navy, and Air Force of Peru

The following discussion about the proper naming for this articles (Peruvian Navy vs Navy of Peru and so on) took place on my talk page, I'm bringing it here so as to get a broader agreement on this matter. --Victor12 23:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there any reason why we shouldn't just use the common translation of these three branches? The articles make it clear that they're called Ejército del Perú, Marina de Guerra del Perú, and Fuerza Aérea del Perú, not Ejército Puerano, Marina de Guerra Peruana, and Fuerza Aérea Peruana. --Descendall 00:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. It should be Something "of Peru", because that's exactly what the Spanish translates to. —Mets501 (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The point is that translations don't have to be literal to be correct, actually more often than not literal translations tend to convey wrong meanings or cause confusion among readers who don't speak the original language (Spanish in this case). Furthermore if you want a really exact translations you should have Navy of War of Peru which is clearly confusing (pun unintended). It also goes against Wikipedia conventions as you can see by checking the Army / Air Force / Navy by countries categories. --Victor12 16:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I understand that we shouldn't always use literal translations. Instead, we should use the translation most commonly used. Obviously, the translation most commonly used for "Marina de Guerra" is "Navy" and not "Maratine War" or whatever the absolute literal translation would be. It would seem to me, however, that the most common translation of Ejército del Perú would be Army of Peru, would it not? I don't think the argument about conventions is all that compelling. Different armys use different names, and that should be reflected in the article names. If the Ecuadorian Army calls themselves the Ejército Ecuatoriano (they do), fine. If the Navy of Egypt calls themselves that, and they apparantly do, that's okay too. --Descendall 21:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
That's the point, the most commonly used translation for Ejército del Perú in English is, by far, Peruvian army. Try for instance a Google search of "Peruvian Army" vs "Army of Peru" (use "" so as to search for the whole expression). The same applies to the other services. --Victor12 22:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll say that personally I think it should be "Army of Peru, Navy of Peru...." and so on. To go along with how most other Wikiarticles on armed forces are structured and because that is the direct translation of the names.--Jersey Devil 00:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I personally think that standardization across Wikipedia is the most important issue. According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (country-specific topics), "X of Peru" would be the way to go; however, it looks like using "Peruvian X" would agree with common practice, as in Category:Armies, Category:Navies by country and Category:Air forces. So I don't know, I find both options equally acceptable, I just wish there would be more consistency in Wikipedia as a whole. --Gabbec 03:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I also think it's important to go for standarization across Wikipedia and from that point of view it seems to me that "Peruvian X" is the way to go. That's how all the other wikiarticles on Armed Forces are structured and doing otherwise would just break the standard, don't you think? --Victor12 16:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I just don't think that standardization is so important that we have to actually change the name of something in order to "fit." I can understand why we'd want standardization in something like categories for "Cities of X" or "X-ian cities." I don't like the idea of taking the standardization of names as far as Victor12, though. It also may be true that a colloquial name gets more google hits, but that's because most people writing on the internet are writing colloquially. For example, "CIA" gets way more hits than "Central Intelligence Agency," and most people call the agency "CIA" most of the time, but we still have the article at Central Intelligence Agency because we use the official name for government agencies. Like I said earlier, however, this isn't something I really care a whole lot about. --Descendall 04:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
That's right Descendall, CIA is not used because the official name is Central Intelligence Agency, however Ejército Peruano, Marina de Guerra del Perú and Fuerza Aérea del Perú don't actually have any official names in English, their official names are in Spanish. Navy of Peru as well as Peruvian Navy are both translations, not the official name of any institution. As such, I think the most common translation should be the one used, which is "Peruvian Navy" and so on for the other branches. That has been the regular practice at wikipedia for all armed forces, for instance there is a "French Army" article even though the official name is Armée de Terre. The same rule has been applied for all other countries with similar translation issues, so I think we should use this standard. --Victor12 21:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Dan James Pantone and MATSES

The MATSES article is about a Peruvian organization. The Dan James Pantone article is about an American naturalist working in Peru with MATSES. Can someone familiar with Peru look at these articles and perhaps leave an assessment on these articles' talk pages as to their notability? Thanks, --A. B. 03:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Descendall has started an AfD for the MATSES article. A key issue is verification of the organization's notability using reliable sources. You're invited to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MATSES. Thanks, --A. B. (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

According to Criteria for Speedy Deletion, the Author can elect to delete the page by blanking it. I have elected to delete the MATSES page. Debate over! Matses 17:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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