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Contents 1 Guidelines 2 Images 3 Maintenance 4 Johann Wolfgang and I 5 disambig page

[edit] Guidelines

Could we include some guidelines about specific types of articles. What throws me is whether we're judging how well known something is, or how significant. For example, the US 1 cent coin is well known to lots of people (perhaps mostly americans, but I think others as well). But it's significant to only some. Also, who's the casual numismatist? It's such a huge field that it's hard to say. Someone who collects world coins (like me) will know most of the current denominations, but none of the ancient stuff. Here are some examples, with my ideas off the top of my head:

• articles about specific currencies. I have been thinking that obscure ones, like Thai baht should be mid importance. Common ones, like euro/Japanese yen/US dollar/British pound should be top importance. Others, like much of western European, Chinese, Mexican, Canadian would be high.
• articles about specific coins or notes should almost always be be mid importance. Although if we go by whether average readers will know what it is, US and euro should be top. I don't know what's right for these
• most ancient stuff should be mid

Apparently, I haven't even managed to be consistent myself, so if I could get some feedback and have a plan, it would help. As for quality, I'm reading that A-class is better than Good Article. So, if an article is marked A, it should easily meet GA (not the class, the official Wikipedia Good Article designation). Does that seem right? Ingrid 00:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I think all of the circulating currencies should be atleast high, if not top since alot of people worldwide and everyone from that country will know of them. Most other modern coins should go by how well known and historical coins go by significance. Most modern currencies haven't had a huge chance to make a lasting impact yet, while ancient coins, well, no one alive rememebers thier use except as historically important. I really don't think the importance scale itself is to important, lol...but...if someone disagrees on an article we can discuss individuals then. Joe I 10:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Quality, yes, A should be better than GA standard wise, and would be able to atleast be considered for GA or FA status. If it's GA, A or FA material, but needs wikifing or such, mark the attention in {{Numismaticnotice}} so it can be worked on to meet standards. Joe I 10:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

What should we do about images? I've gone through many categories, lots are filled with just images. Should we just put "NA" as the class and leave it at that? Your input would be helpful. Johann Wolfgang 18:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that and have been trying to think bout it. I would prefer NA because there's so many and hard to judge, but then we have two images that are FA allready. Joe I 18:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we just make another category? Something like {{Numismaticnotice|class=image}}. This would work for us, we could also rate it as well. Maybe {{Numismaticnotice|class=image|importance=(low,mid,high,top}}. Please tell me what you think. By the way, I'll be finished assessing all numismatic-related articles in about a week, after that we need to put the images into a category. Johann Wolfgang 22:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. I can have User:WatchlistBot fix them. Ingrid 18:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you get the bot to tag all images in the project with {{Numismaticnotice|class=image}}. That would be wonderful. This would save us alot of time. I hope this is possible. Johann Wolfgang 22:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I was offering. Has that been added as an option to the template? Ingrid 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thinking about it, I wonder what the benefit of image vs. NA is for class. We'd still have no way to mark FA images (other than using class=FA which removes the image designation). What about an extra, optional parameter, image=yes which defaults to "no"? Or I could just tag them NA. Ingrid 00:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Unless someone replies in the next couple of days, I'm going to use WatchlistBot to tag all images as class=NA. Ingrid 21:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

That's fine by me. --Chochopk 22:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maintenance

I am going to help the initial assessment, but I have to ask how is it possible to maintain the assessment in the long run. What if someone, expert of some regional matter but not of currency expert, improves an article for a significant amount? --Chochopk 07:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I would hope individual editors would change the rankings, but, I'm sure one of us in the project will see a substaintial change and adjust the assessment accordinlly. Joe I 14:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Johann Wolfgang and I

I just discovered that Johann Wolfgang and I have a very different scale for quality. I'm not saying that either is definitely the "correct" one. I am new to this too, so I would like to bring this to everyone's attention. IMHO, I would say Algerian dinar and Ukrainian shah would be start class, instead of B. But if I am too strict, I will tone down a little. --Chochopk 01:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would agree with those two. I haven't used B for articles unless they're close to GA. Ukrainian shah is missing the infobox. Both are missing images of the coins/bills, and succession boxes. They're also missing references, as are most of our articles. These are all things I look for in a B class article. I am also willing to modify my standards, if that's consensus. Either way, I think it would be helpful to spell out which items each type of article should have (and I could write up what I use if you want) Ingrid 01:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] disambig page

So disambig articles would have class=NA? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the first I've done, but cannot see anyother way. Since there's really no subject matter on that particular page, I consider them much the same as catagory pages.