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Contents

New Member Introduction

  • EVula here. I've been doing lots of work on the character pages for a while, so I figured I'd go ahead and sign up. EVula 22:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I love the MK games. I'll do what I can. CardinalFangZERO 07:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi everybody, Master Spider here. Before joining this project, I also contributed MK articles a lot, so I joined now for contributing more. I will do everything to contribute.--Master Spider 15:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • The story behind all the fighters is what intrigues me the most. Hopefully my knowledge will come in handy. --SaturnYoshi 04:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I played MK all my childhhod. I hope i can help.--Kung Lao 23:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Khaos from MKOutworld.net and MKOnline.. Here to help..
  • A lot of my edits have been for MK pages, so I'll join the project. Will help out where I can. RobWill80 14:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm Aphrodite from MKONline, and I have started the sections on the Kombatant's special abilities.

General discussion

The Mortal Kombat storyline

I Just did some major updating and improvements, generally cleaning up The Mortal Kombat storyline, take a look and suggest any further improvements.

OK. And you are who again? Please sign your comments with four tildes "~". SilentRage 17:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Gah sorry, I usually forget to do that -_- The Haunted Angel 21:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful. OK, I just linked to that article in the Mortal Kombat template, but I really don't think it will last, as it's not really encyclopedic. I also moved this discussion to the top, where it should be. (On a side note, to anybody in this WikiProject, this article is too big and something should be done about it.) ---SilentRAGE! 10:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Userbox template

Just a heads up, I made a template for project members to put on their user pages. Check out {{User WPMK}}. EVula 17:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler tags

Hi everyone. I'm not a member of this WikiProject, but given that it -- along with all the other video game WikiProjects -- is technically a subsidiary of the overall Computer and Video Games WikiProject, I thought I'd bring to your attention this proposal for the deletion of spoiler tags from all computer and video game articles. An in-depth explanation of the reasoning behind this can be found on the discussion page I've linked to (and a lot of additional discussion on the matter can be found in the places linked to from there, such as the spoiler warning talk page and this archive from it, in which a motion to contest the spoiler warning's Guideline status was successfully put forth), but to briefly summarize the reasoning behind this:

"In no way do [spoiler tags] actually contribute to the encyclopedia's purpose of being informative about subjects on a comprehensive level, and, in actuality, they're redundant of the fact that this is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is defined as a comprehensive source of information on a variety of subjects. This is...not a fansite or blog. Also, given that Wikipedia is not censored -- and, again, given that it is an encyclopedia -- what encyclopedic purpose are spoiler tags serving? The answer is 'not a single one.' We already have a spoiler warning accessible from the bottom of every page of this encyclopedia. Wikipedia need not constantly reiterate that it is an encyclopedia."

If all of you could drop by and weigh in on this, we'd all appreciate it. We really feel like we're working toward the betterment of video game articles on Wikipedia -- and the betterment of Wikipedia as a whole -- by pushing for the removal of this unencyclopedic content. Thanks for your time. Ryu Kaze 22:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Mortal Kombat WikiProject UserBox

I made this. You can all add this to your profiles if you wish:

MK This user is a member of
WikiProject Mortal Kombat



Add it by putting this on your userpage: {{User:SilentRage/MKUserBox}} Any suggestions on how it should be changed? I know that we can't put copywrited material in Userboxes. SilentRage 02:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

There's already one at {{User WPMK}}. I prefer that one to this one, but I'm terribly biased (I made the other one). EVula 17:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
When did you do that? I didn't even know there was one already made. Anyway, we need to come to a consensus one which one should be used. I kinda like the style of yours, but I don't like the colours. I like my colours more. Also, I edited mine so that all people who have it on their userpage, will be under a catigory. Plus, I'm not to sure if we are the "Mortal Kombat WikiProject", or the "WikiProject Mortal Kombat" (which sounds stupid to me). SilentRage 00:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that I would rather have the link on mine be black, and yours may get deleted soon because of the whole dillema going on right now with userboxes. You need yours to be located in a sub-page of a userpage, which is why we should use mine. SilentRage 00:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, you are the only one that uses {{User:SilentRage/MKUserBox}}, as opposed to eight that use {{User WPMK}}. I made mine four days prior to yours, and added it to the Templates section the same day. According to WP:GUS, WikiProject affiliation userboxes can stay in template space, meaning that there is no relevant dilemma. Please don't replace "my" userbox with "your" userbox (for lack of better phrases), but feel free to add "yours" to the Template section that I linked to above. EVula 20:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

New Khameleon and Chameleon Images

I recently uploaded official Midway art for Khameleon and Chameleon, and wanted to get your opinion of how they should be placed in the topics, if at all. I'm thinking top of the Character Box, but I don't just want to throw out any of your guys' images.

Are these really official? I know many fan representations of Chameleon present him as sort of a "rainbow" ninja, but I had no idea that Midway actually ever seriously intended him to be depicted that way. Where did these images come from? I can't think of a reason why both a picture of Chameleon and Khameleon would be put in the same place somewhere since they don't even appear within the same game. MarphyBlack 02:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
They were from an old EGM article, comparing the N64 and PS versions of Trilogy. These were scattered amongst about a half dozen other official Midway arts, so I don't think they were mockups. The S 02:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I placed both images in their respective character article character boxes. The only image I replaced was Khameleon's old character box picture, but that happened to be somewhat redundant since it just depicted her MKT versus pose which was shown in another image in the same page already. MarphyBlack 03:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
All righty then. Thanks for inserting them. I'm going to go ahead and delete the images from this Talk page to save space. The S 17:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Moving MK character infoboxes to a subbox

See Template:General CVG character and Category:General CVG character subboxes. Since most of the other major 3D fighting game series are represented, and in an effort to unify/decruft the MK character pages, I think we should try and modify the current MK char infobox to be a subtemplate of the general CVG infobox. A quick example:

Liu Kang
Game series Mortal Kombat
First game Mortal Kombat
Voice actor(s) Ed Boon

If nobody has any objections, I think after a decent MK subtemplate is created, the current one should be retired in favor of the general CVG one.
As far as what should go in the subtemplate, I think the current one is a bit overlong - what I'm thinking would be relevant statistics are in-universe, such as species/origin, styles/weapons, alignment, and portrayers (out-of-universe). IMO age, height and weight are irrelevant, and game appearances can be found at List of Mortal Kombat characters. Virogtheconq 21:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting we replace {{Mortal Kombat character}} with this one, right? If so, I'm strongly opposed. Why should we stick to the general CVG infobox, when the one we have currently is better? (in my opinion, the MK pages have the best-looking infoboxes on the whole damn wiki) Let's just trim the existing one back, rather than switch over to a bland template (and on that front, I agree with you about age, weight, and height). EVula 21:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm of the opinion that most CVG articles should have some sort of unified template. The last part of the template ( |inuniverse= ) allows for the inclusion of a unique subtemplate that would include all the relevant MK info - basically the current template minus the content that's already in the CVG template (I think the current template information is pretty good, but making it into a subtemplate would be better in the long run - formatting is something that can be argued ad nauseum). Eventually someone from the CVG wikiproject will probably want to modify the MK pages to fit in with the other fighting games, so I figure it's probably best to at least raise the point now rather than suddenly have it come to a head later. Virogtheconq 21:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
But... the current one is just so damn pretty! I don't see why various video games should have the same style box as other games (I mean, I can see the argument, I just don't agree with it). I'd say let's trim the existing infobox for now, and cross the CVG-standardization bridge when we come to it, rather than assume that we'll have to adopt another style. EVula 05:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. I won't do anything to the articles unless some other members weigh in, though I may experiment with a subtemplate (orphan, of course) if the will strikes. Virogtheconq 23:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

For the sake of attemping to have complete consensus on all decisions, I just want to add that I like the way they currently are. SilentRage 00:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Stepping down

I'm sure that those of you present when this was first organized may have noticed that I haven't really edited any MK pages in well over a month. Reasons are manifest and many; a new job, a new relationship, and now moderator duties on MKOnline (if I'm online, I'm usually there now). I just don't have the time necessary to put into this, and so I am effectively leaving the project. I'm sure I'll try and keep a few articles clean once MKA comes out, but until then, when I'll make as much time as possible for MK, I simply can't devote it. It seems that this project is in good hands anyway, and I trust it will remain that way for a long time.

Catch you on the flip side, folks. I'll be watching. Shadaloo 05:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see you go. I know for a fact that you've put more work into this as I have, and probably more than many others. After all, you're the reason we're all here. However, there are times when life has more important precedence than online projects. Take care, and I'll drop you a line every so often at MKO. The S 17:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Arenas

Lil'Layzie-One (talk • contribs) has created List of Mortal Kombat arenas. While he has done a fine job of gathering up all the arenas in the various MK games, and I've helped to expand a couple of them, there is much more work to be done. Specifically, we need to document what games these arenas appeared in, what hazards exist, and additional (real-world) history for each (for example, Nexus Arena). I'd love to do more, but my knowledge of the games comes primarily from MK3 and Deception. EVula 18:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't actually think the arenas article is encyclopedic (it's more of a game guide thing), but I won't argue that point. Several of the game articles have descriptions/lists of the arenas involved; if this article is to stay, then you'll probably want to merge the information into the main article and add the {{main|List of Mortal Kombat arenas}} tag to the top of the arenas subsections, and turn the subsections into lists. Since several arenas span multiple games, it might be useful to turn the list in the main article into a table, but there might be too many singular arenas for that to be effective. Virogtheconq 18:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the arenas article as it stands right now isn't particularly encyclopedic, but I'd like that to change (I've been going through the article, attempting to rewrite sections to bring them into a more encyclopedic light). That's a good idea about the main tag, I'll have to do that. And yeah, I think the list is too unwieldy to put into a table; plus, I'd like to document more than just what games they appear in (one of the things I've been doing is documenting the hazards), which couldn't be addressed as well in a table (especially since several features appear in only some games, such as MK3's two-tiered arenas vs. Deception's expansive arenas). I think once more verifiable history and real-world information (not just in-game anecdotes and commentary) is added to some of the arenas, the article will be of encyclopedic quality. EVula 19:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Even though I have nothing personally against it, I wouldn't be surprised if the article is tagged for "cruft" in the future. A nice point to add to the article as it stands, however, would be a little section that explained the most noticable differences between an arena in each of its appearances. The article is very terribly written in either case (I noticed some POV and first-person references).The S 19:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
*nods* I agree completely about noting the differences in appearance, and that's something I've started doing (for example, The Dead Pool). The problem with that is that most of the arenas don't appear more than once. This problem might change with Armageddon, though (for example, Goro's Lair from MK1 is back, as is the subway from MK3). And yes, it is poorly written; Lil'Layzie-One is a very new editor, and hasn't quite gotten the hang of what is and isn't appropriate for Wikipedia. I've been doing a lot of clean-up, but I'm nowhere near done; that's why I've posted this note, to get other members of the project involved. EVula 20:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I just wanna start of by saying thanks to EVula, for the help hes been giving, i'm also working hard on this project of arena's as well, i know i might not have done much, but i'm only one man, and just like everyone i'm not perfect, but with the more help, the more better this article would be, i've been plugging in the games and scanning the arenas and looking for the details i might have missed, i've got stuff for Reptiles lair, and a few others, and its no secret that i'm a new comer, so i ask just for some help on this, thank you. ~~Lil'Layzie-One

I just did some massive formatting of the article, and laid out some styling guidelines on the talk page. I believe that this is a step in the right direction for the quality of the article. EVula 05:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Atleast its getting somewheres right? Lil'Layzie-One

Movelists

A lot of characters' movelists are absent, especially MK:DA and MK:D characters. I haven't play these games, so can anybody can work on these? Master Spider 10:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

IMO, we shouldn't even have movelists in the articles - see WP:NOT. Virogtheconq 13:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Maybe keeping the Fatalities could be a good idea, but moveslists are complete cruft. The S 17:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
But there is a section named "Moves" or "Memorable moves" on some character articles, and anybody didn't remove them, or said that they shouldn't been there? Master Spider 17:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, even if we took them out anon editors would just put them back in. Taking them out isn't exactly high on my to-do list of priorities for these articles. Virogtheconq 05:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think that having a character's memorable moves in their article is cruft; for example, Sub-Zero and Scorpion are both immediately identified by their moves. The distinction is decidedly less clear-cut for the less well known/popular characters (like Dairou). EVula 05:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Lao-Goro

If after the slash, Goro and Kung Lao shook hands and were even, does Goro still need to be in his enemies list?-- Sorry, forgot to sign in. :)

I take it you're referencing Kung Lao's Mortal Kombat Gold ending. Well, for one thing, that ending may not have been canon. Subsequently, I believe he's listed as his enemy on the official MK Deception virtual trading cards. The S 02:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I just checked, and he isn't. Just Liu Kang and Johnny Cage. EVula 02:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, nothing much in MK can be considered canon, since almost every game contradicts the previous one. But should we change it? --Kung Lao 20:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Er, you're wrong. The various endings more often than not aren't considered canon, as they often contradict each other (they are usually "that character"-centric, which makes sense; who would want to beat the game as a character, only to find out that someone else just did what you did and you died in the process?), but the MK series itself has a canon. The endings aren't known until the next game. There's no reason to change anything based on the evidence provided in this discussion topic. EVula 20:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Kung Lao is listed as Goro's ally, yet Goro is listed as Kung Lao's enemy Which article should we fix?--Kung Lao 22:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Moving Hotaru to Hotaru (Mortal Kombat)

I just moved Hotaru to an MK-specific article and turned the original into a disambiguation page. Any help changing all the links would be appreciated. Virogtheconq 06:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm attempting to help out, but I don't think the page is updating correctly. I changed the template, which as far as I can tell, was the only thing linking most of those pages to Hotaru's article (since a simple Find in the browser for "Hotaru" turns up nothing in the actual article). Grrr. Right now, I'm concentrating on fixing the links on all the not-directly-MK-related pages. EVula 17:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, not sure what the deal was, as I left and came back and it was fine (I have the sneaking suspicion that I was being rather dumb and was looking at what linked to the MK article... d'oh!). Regardless, I've changed all the links. EVula 19:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Li Mei and Onaga

In Li Mei's and Onaga's articles, it is written that Onaga and Li Mei are allies. Her Deception ending states it too, but it won't be revealed until Armageddon. Then, why it has been said on these articles? Master Spider 14:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

A lot of anonymous editors keep on adding it back in. IMO, the allies/enemies shouldn't even be in the infobox. Virogtheconq 01:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll watch the articles and remove it whenever I can. The Haunted Angel 23:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

MK Gold

The MK:Gold page needs a screen shot of actual gameplay. Can anyone get one?--Kung Lao 22:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

John Vogel

Hey, guys, first time I've left a message here in forever. Just thought I'd let you know there's a potential edit-war waiting to happen over on the John Vogel article. Biased though I may be towards my version of the page, I don't quite see why deleting useful information and presenting Vogel as a character rather than as a human is a positive thing. Cheers. --L T Dangerous 23:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Not to worry, it's been sorted now. Ta. --L T Dangerous 09:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Triming the infobox

I'm pushing for some of the fields in the MK character template to be removed. I'd like to get some feedback before just up and doing it, though; drop a line at Template talk:Mortal Kombat character#Removing fields if you could. Danke. EVula 20:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Merging MK GBA ports with main articles

Hi. I'd like to propose the merging of the MK Advance and MK: Tournament Edition articles, with the titles they're based on - Ultimate MK3 and MK: Deadly Alliance. The GBA articles are very short, and contain similar info to the main articles. I think they are just ports by another name, which can be described in a "Ports" or "Console differences" section. The only issue that I know of is the console exclusive characters in MK:TE. Let me know what you think. Thanks. RobWill80 13:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea, when I first saw the articles and read about the games, I thought that they were basicly just different versions of the originals, they even have the same front cover. The articles are indeed short and it would probably be much better suited within the 'parent' articles. All they are are updates, and will probably fit better as you suggested. The Haunted Angel 16:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I whole-heartedly support this idea. The port articles don't have much in the ways of actual content; simply create a sub-head for the games, complete with infoboxes, and comment on the changes.
Should Deception and Unchained be merged as well? If so, it would probably be best if we waited until after Unchained is released, as it is still in development. I'm just throwing that suggestion out there. EVula 17:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Merging MK: Unchained with MK: Deception (after it's released) sounds like a good idea. RobWill80 18:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, there's one more thing I should ask before going further. Referencing the GBA games in prose is fine, but should something be done with shorter links (The main MK template, infoboxes, the list of characters, etc.)?

Should the GBA games be treated as separate from the originals, or as part of the originals? As an example, Should Sareena's infobox say she was in MK: Tournament Edition, or something like MK: Deadly Alliance (GBA MK:TE only)? RobWill80 13:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It should say that she is just in MK:TE, not DA, that's what I think at least. The Haunted Angel 13:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I'll leave that particular link issue for another time - It's only just occurred to me that any list of character appearances is only accurate to a point. They don't mention character restrictions in 16-bit or handheld ports. Too much for me to deal with in one go! Anyway, if there are no objections, I'll get started on merging the GBA articles. RobWill80 14:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Fine with me! The Haunted Angel 14:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't like it. The article is too cramped now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buzda (talk • contribs).
The Trivia sections can be moved so they start below the infoboxes, but I think it will create too much White space. RobWill80 17:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Character moves and Fatalities

I know that this has been discussed before, but I have to mention that I dislike the areas in character articles that have 'memorable moves' and 'fatalities'. One could argue that Wikipedia is not a game guide, but even if we did allow it, something has to be done about some of this. I mean, we have the section 'memorable moves'. Now under more then one article, it looks as if they are listing all of that characters moves. Take a look under Reptile for an example. Also, does the term 'memorable moves' sound a bit POV to you? Some of those moves no one will remember, and in the end there will be an argument saying

"This move is memorable!"

"It's not memorable to me!!!"

Or something along the lines. Personally, the only moves I would count as memorable would be Scorpion's spear, Sub-Zero's ice, Liu Kang's Bicycle Kick or Flying Kick, and Raiden's dive, but this is purely because these are arguably the most famous MK characters, but even then it's a bit POV, and the next person may not find them as memorable.

Next bit, the fatalities. I am fine leaving the fatalities where it is (although I wouldn't be grieved if I saw it go), but what I want to change is the names. How the hell did people get the names for some of these? Take Shao Kahn's Shaolin Monks Fatality. There is no name mentioned for this throughout the whole game, and all of a sudden someone has given it the name 'Final Judgement'. It is a fitting name, but it is speculative and purely made up. I think every character article has Fatality names on them, names that have appeared out of no where. I ask that we remove these and leave the name as something different, such as the game it appears on. Anyway, I have a Guitar Lesson to go to, so I'll finish this rant when I get back. The Haunted Angel 09:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a bit of a problem, so I'll respond to the easier part first: the Fatalities. Using the game's title is fine with me, but I'd suggest looking in official game guides (if anyone has any), and see if they give names to the Fatalities (e.g. the one I have for MKT does).
Now, on to the special moves. For a start, I agree that anything described as 'memorable' is POV. So, if nothing else, the title needs sorting out. However, I'm not too sure about the 'moves' section itself. I think it would be good to say something about how a character behaves and what makes them stand out. So, I wouldn't want the section to be removed completely. All I can think of (I'm sorry, but I haven't had any coffee today) is removing the lists, and try to describe a character's abilities in a paragraph or two. RobWill80 16:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Those sections have been bugging me for a while, too. Here's my proposal: let's use Liu Kang as the testing ground for a new standardized method of article organization. In that vein, I've done a lot of trimming to the Kang article.[1] Here's my proposal:
  1. Bunch all fighting and finishing moves into one section, "Combat characteristics"
  2. Remove the moves that have only appeared in a single game, opting instead for ones that have appeared numerous times (such as Kang's flying kick). For characters introduced in Deception... well, all their moves are instantly notable. Not optimal, I admit, but we can trim them back once Armageddon is released.
  3. Remove the finishing move names (except to explain what the move is, such as the Brutalities and Animalities).
  4. Remove finishing moves that only appeared once (especially those found in Shaolin Monks).
  5. And, as per that edit, remove any reference that the character was inspired by Superman, apparently. :)
Sound good? I think the Kang article looks better like this, and clustering all the similar information together helps it look more like an honest-to-God encyclopedia article. EVula 16:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
That article does look a lot better, and the guidelines that you've drawn up are good. But we still need to keep tabs on those sections, as someone else will think that other moves are notable. If we only include multi-game moves, I'd suggest calling them something like 'signature moves', instead of 'notable moves'. RobWill80 17:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, "signature moves". I knew there was a better phrase, but couldn't for the life of me think of it. :) EVula 17:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I just want to add that I don't believe brutalities should be listed as a notable/signature move since (essentially) all characters have it and they appear precisely identical to each other, regardless of who does it. MarphyBlack 18:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
The Liu Kang article looks far better now, although I agree with Black that the Brutality section should be taken out. Also on the subject, I will change it to say Signature moves instead, it does sound much better. We can begin working through other characters in this format, I will probably start doing this later on today. We should probably leave the characters that have only appeared in one game (Sareena, Deception only characters, Gold only characters etc.) until Armageddon is released as EVula said. I have also changed the fatalities part from 'Notable' to 'Reccuring'. This could also be done with the moves section, but I think 'Signature' will do fine. The Haunted Angel 11:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
AAGGHHH!!!! Well it took me a couple of hours but I have finally gone through all character articles and changed them to the new format.... Bah, my contributions can do the talking. ~ The Haunted Angel 22:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
For the record: "Recurring" is spelled with one "c" and two "r"s. I went ahead and changed them all. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to add to my contributions. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh god, I knew something like that would happen. I was sure that I spelt it right the first time... but after I did it once, I just kept copy and pasting it over and over =\ Sorry for giving you so much work man! ~ The Haunted Angel 08:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
That's fine, it wasn't really that hard to do. Interestingly, it was spelled correctly in Ashrah's article. It's a simple mistake that anyone could have made. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
It was spelled correctly in Ashrah's? Hmm, how odd! Anyway, thanks for helping out with my inability to spell! The Haunted Angel 10:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I fixed it, but then had some connection issues and wasn't able to fix the rest. Virogtheconq 15:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Well then, I guess it wasn't spelled correctly on Ashrah's page. Oh, well, it really wasn't a problem for me to fix them all. Better luck next time, Virogtheconq.  ;D -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 16:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been going through some of the character articles and I have a question in relation to how these moves/fatalities should be written/formatted. After the move name, should there be a colon or a dash? For example, in some articles, the move names and fatalities are written with a dash like this:

  • Baton Trip – Stryker uses his baton to trip the opponent.

However, in other character articles, there's a colon after the name, like so:

  • Green Net: Cyrax fires a green net from his chest which ensnares the opponent for a free hit.

There are also a few cases where the colon is not written in bold with the rest of the move name, as such:

  • Razor-Rang: Jade throws a razored-boomerang at her opponent.

Which style should we use throughout all articles? MarphyBlack 02:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I like the Cyrax version. The "ampersandndash;" thing is kind of annoying. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
From a technical standpoint, the Jade version is "correct", as the colon isn't part of the move name. I agree with SaturnYoshi that the – bit can get obnoxious. EVula 15:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Right, so should we adopt the "Jade version", then? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 19:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing so. EVula 19:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Sweet. But do we really need to list all the games those moves are from? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I think we need to keep the game list so that we can tell what games the moves are from, to determine whether or not the moves are 'recurring' or not. The Haunted Angel 21:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Abbreviations

Okay, I went through all the articles and fixed this problem. However, in the process, I noticed another discrepancy. The way the names of the MK games are abbreviated inside the parenthesis is not consistent. For example, for Deadly Alliance, Deception, and Armageddon, I see the abbreviations sometimes written like this:

  • (MK:DA, MK:D, MK:A)

However, I've also seen these abbreviations commonly written without the colon, like so:

  • (MKDA, MKD, MKA)

There's also some uniformity problems with how Mortal Kombat Gold is abbreviated. Some articles write MK Gold, while others simply use MKG. What abbreviations should we stick with throughout all the articles? MarphyBlack 00:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

"MKG" is a valid abbreviation for Gold, as there is no additional punctuation in Mortal Kombat Gold. For games with a colon, the first example ("MK:DA", "MK:D", "MK:A") is the proper method.
Here's the abbreviation scheme I've been using in my head:
That said, I think these abbreviations should only be used when we need to list several games together (such as the moves sections). For the regular article text, we should stick with either the full name or just the specific word (ie: Deception, Armageddon). The "abbreviated MK + full name" should be used just in the infobox, rather than the body of the article (for example, Darrius' infobox states that he appears in MK: Deception and MK: Armageddon and uses gauntlets in MK:D, while the intro copy states that he made his first appearance in Mortal Kombat: Deception). (did that make sense? In looking over it, I'm not sure it even made sense to me...)
I'll add an abbreviation section to the style guide once we find something we all agree on. EVula 04:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Should Mortal Kombat II's abbreviation use roman numerals as in the game name (MKII)? MarphyBlack 11:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Personal preference says no. I did a couple of Google searches; "MK2" gets 99k hits[2] vs. "MKII"'s 30k.[3] I like keeping the abbreviations nice and short; as it is, Advance's abbreviation just kills me. :) EVula 14:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I simply wrote MK Advance at Rain's page. MKAdv is good for me.Master Spider 13:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I strongly think that the original Mortal Kombat should be either MKI or MK, and the second should be MKII, rather then using actual numbers, as this is how it is displayed on the actual game case (Except for MKI, but it seems a bit better then just MK). ~ The Haunted Angel 17:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Just to add my two pennies worth, I usually refer to the first game as just MK, and I'd prefer MKII over MK2. RobWill80 18:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Whether it is called MK or MKI doesn't bother me, I just don't want it to be MK1, and I'd rather Mortal Kombat II is MKII. Mortal Kombat 3 is actually called that on the case, so MK3 will suffice, and the same goes for MK4. ~ The Haunted Angel 18:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, I've added the abbreviations to the style guide, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mortal Kombat/Style Guide#Abbreviations. It is pretty much the same list as above, but the first game is "MKI" and the second is "MKII". I opted for "MKI" over just "MK" to avoid any possible confusion with the Mortal Kombat franchise on the whole; with a number, there's no confusion. EVula 03:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Another thing

Can some of the fighters' Fatalities really be considered "recurring" if they were only used in one game? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I have been going through all of the articles and trying to 'purge' out all fatalaties that do not appear in more then two games (if they have only been in a couple of games though, I usually allow it). If there are any fatalaties that only appear in one game still there, then it's either because some anon user has re-added them, or they have only been present in one game so far. The Haunted Angel 11:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Another thing might be to rename the headers for the characters that have only been in one game so far. Like Sheeva, Kurtis Stryker, Rain (Mortal Kombat), Reiko (Mortal Kombat), Shinnok, Sareena and the newbies from Deadly Alliance and Deception. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 15:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, perhaps we should wait on this until after MK:A is released? Then we'll know for sure what moves are recurring and which ones aren't (Taven and Daegon will just be the exception to the rule, I guess). EVula 15:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
But the Fatality structure is all different now. Do we know if anything will even be carried over from the previous installments? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Aha! In re-reading some of the older discussion, I've come up with an alternative. If we rename the section "Notable finishers", we bypass the whole recurring issue (damn you Armageddon). "Notable" here is being defined as "Occurring in multiple games, where applicable".
I actually like recurring better, but it fails for the characters mentioned by SaturnYoshi above. While I'd rather have a consistent layout, I suppose we could make just those characters have a "Notable finishers" section, with everyone else having a "Recurring finishers". Dunno. EVula 15:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Integration with {{cvgproj}}

A request has been made at WikiProject Computer and video games talk to integrate the {{MortalKombatProject}} template into the CVG header itself. The newly integrated template can be seen here: User:Hbdragon88/Temp. Thoughts? Objections? --PresN 16:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, my only complaint is that the CVG and MK projects, while related, are generally independent. The CVG To Do list generally has absolutely nothing to do with any of MK articles, and the "this project supports..." bit is completely lost among the other tags, such as selected article bit. MK also covers stuff outside the usual jurisdiction of the CVG project (such as the films and TV shows). I say that they should stay separated, though I do think it was a nice idea. (cross-posted on the CVG page) EVula 16:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
It wouldn't completely eliminate the MortalKombatProject header; it would just be intergrated for all the MK video games, and it would remain for all other MK things (just like for Digimon, Pokemon, Machina, and Nintendo). Also, I'm sure the technical kinks could be worked out - showing the MK to-do list as well as the CVGJ to-do list (not sure, ask the technical code goes). Hbdragon88 20:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
It sounds more like a symbiosis is being suggested rather than true integration. The S 02:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Mortal Kombat Logo

Call me shallow, but I really think that the project needs a decent logo. If I may humbly submit my... ah, who am I kidding. If I may ego-boostingly submit the design I just whipped up, displayed on three different background colors:

EVula's proposed MK WikiProject logo, on a black background

EVula's proposed MK WikiProject logo, on a white background

EVula's proposed MK WikiProject logo, on the nasty baby-puke yellow/orange background

I'm still dicking around with the proper licensing for the image on Wikipedia, but I'm uploading it specifically for this WikiProject (but also for other areas of Wikipedia where some image representing MK is needed but can't be used, like templates).

I tried working "WP" in there somehow, but it just looked cluttered, so I opted for a cleaner look with just "MK".

So, what does everyone think? EVula 04:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks really good, don't think I could design something like that! Would it be cluttered if 'WP' was in smaller letters below the MK? If not, it doesn't matter, still looks an awesome logo and I'll easilly agree to it ~ The Haunted Angel 08:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I like it. As far as the background goes, it depends on the background of the template - using the current peach scheme, either the black or peach would work (IMO, black is a little better). As far as putting the letter WP into it, I don't think it's necessary, and it most likely would clutter things up.Virogtheconq 13:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I really like it, especially how the glow and the shine make it stand out. It'll make a good logo for the project. Nice work! :) Actually, I'm a little late, but I was thinking of an image for the Userbox. I didn't upload it because I wasn't sure if "MK" in the logo font would be under copyright (My take on it would've looked something like this: [4]). RobWill80 13:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
To RobWill80: I did up a quick variant of the userbox (which I didn't save, and just re-did) at {{User WPMK/img}}. I don't think it would have been a copyvio on the type, though, as long as you did it yourself (as opposed to scanning the text and modifying it from there).
To Virogtheconq: I certainly like the logo on black better, but I'm not sure how much latitude we have with the peach boxes (sadly).
I proded several members' talk pages to get their feedback on this. If there's no objection, I'll go ahead and start modifying templates to include this as the official project logo. EVula 15:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Your logo looks good in the Userbox. The letters can still be seen clearly at the smaller resolution. Now, all I have to do is find a Windows web-browser that can handle transparency in png files (...any ideas?). RobWill80 17:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Rob, it looks great, better then the previous boring one. The Haunted Angel 17:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
The only Windows browser that I knew didn't like PNGs is IE. I would think that Firefox would handle them properly... what about Opera, K-Meleon, Mozilla, or Netscape? An Intel Mac running Safari would work well, too. ;-)
Oh, and not to push the Mac twice in the same post, but the MK is a bit more dynamic under Safari; it uses the text-shadow CSS element, which isn't very widely supported, and has been dropped from the latest CSS specs. *sigh* EVula 17:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I've just downloaded Firefox (Cheaper than buying a Mac! ;) ) and the png transparency works fine. Thanks for the tip. RobWill80 18:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it looks quite nice. I'm all for it to being added to project templates, particularly {{MortalKombatProject}} as it's been quite bare for some time now. MarphyBlack 22:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead an made a stub tag (creatively named {{MK-stub}}). I figure that, even if people vote to not to use this image as the project's logo, it is still a perfectly valid (and free) image for MK on Wikipedia in general, and a stub tag is useful (as are all the subsequent categories that I had to make at the same time). EVula 21:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Nice, it's a pretty decent logo. I would be tempted to use the stub tag for the sake of it, but if I found a stub MK article the picky part of me would take over and I'd have to expand on it myself then and there, although I have a bit of a to-do list on the go, which I need to make edits to. The Haunted Angel 22:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I've run into about three articles that deserved a MK stub tag. However, it provided me an excuse to root around in the overall structure of the various MK categories, which needed to be done anyway. :-) EVula 22:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
"The only Windows browser that I knew didn't like PNGs is IE."
Since when? I'm running Explorer, and .PNGs are gold on it. The S 02:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've had users on my website complain about transparent PNGs under IE/Win, and I've read in web dev books about IE's sometimes patchy support of the full PNG format. Perhaps it has been fixed by now (though the box model is no doubt still broken...). EVula 02:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The logo is really great, good job! For the stub tag, it is very good that we have a stub tag for MK-related articles, but we should use a copyrighted logo for the stub tag-MK's dragon logo would be great for it, for example.Master Spider 13:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
This is the same concern that I had with my userbox design. It says here (No. 9) that fair use images shouldn't be used in any templates. RobWill80 13:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, the fair use policy is one of the two reasons I created this image (the other being so that the project had a logo). Other templates have the same problem, such as {{StarWars-stub}} and {{StarTrek-stub}}; both have a sea of great imagery that could be used (the Federation logo would be great for the ST tag, in my opinion). I thought about maybe putting the dragon logo on top of the button, but I wasn't sure if that would infringe on any copyrights or not, and instead opted for just the letters (in a MK font). EVula 14:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the dragon logo might be pushing it a little, but this one looks awsome! -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 16:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Apologies for joining in somewhat late, having signed in for the first time in ages today but I also have to say this looks excellent. --L T Dangerous 08:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Alrighty, it's been a couple of days, and I've gotten nothing but positive responses as for this being the project's logo (specifically, six affirmative responses). So unless there's an overwhelming swarm of members saying that it sucks (pfft, as if!), I'm considering this to be the project's logo. Yay! I'll get to work on adding it to everything else. Thanks for your support, everybody! EVula 14:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Mortal Kombat: Devastation edit war

Wesborland (talk • contribs) and I are involved in a rather obnoxious edit war over the Mortal Kombat: Devastation article. I've worked fairly hard to cite every single claim in the article, but he has been removing what I've written in favor of his copy, making unsourced (and, in one instance, patently false) claims and removing my citations to boot. I've warned him twice, but I'm finding good faith in short supply with him.

For those that are curious:

I'm already at 3 reverts right now as it is, though, so I don't want to revert much more (I'm perfectly happy with not ever having been banned). If anyone else wants to help me out with this (or even step in and try to work out a compromise), I'd appreciate it. Thanks! EVula 04:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I have been reverting his edits as well. He is being stubborn, though, and keeps changing it back. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad someone else is reverting him now; to be perfectly honest, I've violated WP:3RR a few times over by now on this article (though I'm holding onto ignore all rules for dear life, justified by the fact that he's violated two different policies). His talk page is where I've been talking to a brick wall trying to explain to him why his edits were being reverted.
Arg. EVula 06:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I read over it. Don't worry, I'm backing you up on this. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I really appreciate it.
In lighter news, it looks like the edit war is coming to an end. Yay! (if it hadn't been for the edit war, I probably wouldn't have broken the 5k edit mark for another week...) EVula 17:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, the edit war is now officially over. We finally got to an agreement on what Christopher Lambert said and what he did NOT say, lol. Wesborland 20:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been quite the busy little bee...

Okay, lots of stuff that I've been doing around here, so I'll just cover it all right now:

  • We now have a rudimentary Style Guide to dictate and standardize how the articles appear. It can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mortal Kombat/Style Guide.
  • I created an infobox for the various factions, rather than have the mess of code that was present (and inconsistent with our character infobox). You can find it at {{Mortal Kombat faction}}, but I've already and edited all the factions so that it is used.
  • I've applied the logo to {{MortalKombatProject}}. Damn if it don't look good. ;-)
  • I moved {{User WPMK}} into the project's namespace. I also did this for the image version, as well as SilentRage's version (and created an image version of that as well). See Wikipedia:WikiProject Mortal Kombat#Userboxes. Have no fear; I've taken the liberty of updating most everyone's link for them to bypass the redirect.
  • I've divided the Templates section up into additional sections, since we've all of a sudden got several more.
  • We now have a shortcut to this project: WP:MK.
  • All in all, I've just gone haywire on the main project page... [5]

So... yeah, that's all. EVula 23:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Ow! Dammit, I'm allergic to bees! :D Actually, you've done a bang-up job. Kudos to you! The S 03:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Note to self: next time, say "I've been quite the busy little non-allergenic creature of some variety". EVula 03:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
That's a lot of work! Well done. :) The style guide is an excellent idea. It'll be good to have a unified design for the game articles. RobWill80 13:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work. It's about time somebody actually went ahead and did some of the procedural stuff we've been saying we'd do =O). BTW, while I was scouting some other WikiProjects I stumbled onto WP:40K and was rather impressed by the structure they have to the project there. While outright copying their style would be rather crass, it's worth a look just to see what they've done (particularly the subheadings under Project Goals) and how we might be able to apply it to this project. Virogtheconq 03:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I've been scoping out other projects as well (for example, the style guide came from the Firefly WikiProject). I'd like to get a more up-to-date To Do list going, and have it incorporated in the project banner (like the CVG banner).
Oh, and the style guide has a shortcut at WP:MK/SG. This should make for really easy reference in (potential) edit debates in the future. EVula 07:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Another page move

So while EVula was off reducing our workload, I was busy adding to it... =O) - I've moved the Reiko page to Reiko (Mortal Kombat), since the disambig. stuff at the top was only the tip of the iceburg. Make changes to the MK articles as you see fit. Virogtheconq 03:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that piling up, but had to run out. Thanks for doing that. I just caught the last little bit of old links, so the move is complete now. Whee... EVula 06:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome template

I've created a template for use in dealing with potential WikiProject members. It can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mortal Kombat/welcome (although you should subst: the template when using it). To see it in action (and to see me talking to myself like a loon), take a look at User talk:EVula#Welcoming myself... (testing a welcome template).

I think this will help people who stumble into the Mortal Kombat articles, especially if they don't understand some of our edits that are in-line with the Style Guide. EVula 18:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm running out of templates to make for the project!

Let's keep this page organized

I noticed that a lot of sections of this page are no longer active (there are some sections that were last updated in March 2006) and thus no longer useful, they should be deleted/archived in order to keep this page organized and easy for everyone to read. I think people should write here the sections they want to propose for deletion, if there are no complaints, the sections are deleted. Other suggestions can be submitted here too. Wesborland 21:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Sections proposed for deletion

  • Mortal Kombat: Devastation edit war
  • Dragon Logo

Suggestions

Er, no, we don't delete sections of the talk page. We'll archive them. EVula 03:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Is it really worth archiving ALL the sections? Some of them are really useless (for example the one about the edit war, since the movie article is now ok).Wesborland 15:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Just because a discussion is finished doesn't mean it should be deleted. EVula 15:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe it's also Wikipedia's policy to not delete discussions, but rather just archive them. Virogtheconq 01:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok I didn't know that. Can we at least create categories (movies, games, bios, etc) so that when people want to post or look for a specific message they don't have to read the entire page?Wesborland 15:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Between the table of contents and the browser's Find function, I think it is pretty well covered. It is better to leave it in chronological order; conversations make references to other discussions, even if they aren't related. The key is to make each archive not overly long, which will make skimming them a lot faster; for now, archiving every half year will work, but if traffic picks up, I'll switch it to a quarterly archive. Oh, and here's the guideline about talk pages: Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When pages get too long. EVula 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Archive + reorganization

Okay, I've archived all the talk from the first half of the year to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mortal Kombat/Archive 1. It really was getting a little crazy.

Something else that is fairly major is that I've reordered everything on this page. The whole reverse chronology? Yeah, it was driving me batty, since this one talk page was different from every other talk page I use. Now new stuff is posted at the bottom, which is what happens when you use the "new discussion" button (the "+" link at the top of the page).

I also ditched the sub-sections for the talk page. They just didn't get used that much, and get in the way of the new system of organization.

Also of note is the talk page archive template that is on the right of both the current talk page and any archive. Please note the icon that is used... that's right, I swapped out Image:Vista-file-manager.png for a custom image. I'll basically just slap that logo on anything...

I realize that the reorganization of the talk page is pretty extreme (and is a bit bolder than I usually am), but I seriously think that this is a step in the right direction. Having a talk page that completely ignored the way that talk pages usually behave is just a recipe for disaster, and causes headaches when people use it "properly" (I had to reconcile the discussions that had been placed in the "wrong" places... ugh). EVula 04:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and for the record, I volunteer myself to archive discussions. I'm not trying to create more work for everyone else (just myself, apparently...). EVula 05:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't mean to critizice all the work you've done, but reverse chronology is more comfortable. Just a thought. Wesborland 20:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I think that it's better this way. It's a lot simpler to stick to one system, so I don't see why this page should be any different to regular talk pages. RobWill80 21:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
And I figured that it'd be easier to change this talk page than every other talk page, plus the Wikipedia system itself. Call me lazy. ;-) EVula 21:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the reorg - since only this project used reverse chronology to my knowledge (which I believe was Shadaloo's idea, though I could be wrong), new people randomly posting comments would use the traditional organization, which ended up jumbling conversations anyways. Virogtheconq 01:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Khameleon

It seems as though this character will not be developed any further. My suggestion is, should we remove her off the main character list and instead link to her page through the minor character listing? We don't have to delete her page or move it or anything, just modify the template at the bottom of the character pages and create a link on the List of minor Mortal Kombat characters page. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

We don't know if she won't be in MK:A for certain. I know Midway has stated she's not in the game, but this is exactly the sort of thing that they would want to create controversy/publicity about (Which they're certainly no strangers to). The MK games are infamous for their hidden secrets just waiting to be discovered, so I wouldn't throw her out the door just yet. Also, there happens to be a great abundance of info on her (Compared to Chameleon before he was announced to be in MK:A) and she's been referenced in two Mortal Kombat games since her appearance, which happen to be the two most recent fighting ones. I think downgrading her status right now would be jumping the gun just a tad. MarphyBlack 02:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
You're right. We only have a couple more weeks to wait anyway. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
MarphyBlack is apparently swimming around my head... an ill-advised action for a variety of reasons, although it did allow him to say the same thing I would have while I was eating dinner. Very sneaky. EVula 03:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps MarphyBlack is a member of the Brotherhood of Shadow? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 05:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Removing character bios and endings

While I would probably just simply take the initiative and remove them myself, I just wanted to first point out what I think should be done here since it concerns a semi-wide range edit. I noticed that the character bios and endings have been removed from the MKII and MK3 articles (In MKII's case, they have been gone for a while now). Does anyone have any objections to also removing the character bios and endings from the MK, UMK3, MKT, and MK:DA articles now? They're taken verbatim from the games, so they don't really add much in terms of encyclopedic value. MarphyBlack 02:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that all bio and ending info should be found on the character pages. Not a copy and paste, but integrated into their background story info. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure that all the character storylines are covered pretty well by now. I don't think there's really anything more to be integrated from the bios and endings that already hasn't been mentioned. Anyway, aside from the little value that having all the bios and endings listed provides, there are also the cases where some endings simply aren't canon (Such as Raiden destroying the Earth in MK1, etc), which could be confusing to some. Also, some endings exist solely to retcon previous endings (Human Smoke's and Mileena's endings in MKT compared to UMK3). MarphyBlack 22:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
If people are that hard up to read bios and endings, we can direct them to mksecrets.net. They have most known bios and endings there. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
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