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This is a special purpose discussion page for the creation and maintenance of Portal:Kentucky. If that link is still red, we haven't launched yet. If it's blue and shows up here. we've hit the Big Time. CQ 03:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Launch Date

Portals are huge projects! They require a steady stream of attention from committed contributors, preferably a close and active group such as a WikiProject. I have had a fair amount of experience with both WikiProjects and Portals and, trust me, for once I have a good feeling about this one.

Once we launch, we will be categorised in Category:Portals under construction along with Portal:Michigan. Our goal is to get to Portal:United_States/Related_portals. We do not ever want to find ourselves under Portals needing attention!

I think it would be cool to launch on July 4th but only if the outline is fat and material is on the queue. I'm commited to the Commonwealth and contributing to the Portal but the real Joy for me comes from working with others. Who else is willing? -- CQ 04:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I want to help out, but I don't want to make this a major project for me because, as you may know, I recently launched WikiProject Louisville. But I did add a few Did You Know possibilities and added the good article History of Louisville, Kentucky article to the mix. I will help out occasionally where I can. If you can get many who can help out occasionally, you've got a team. —  Stevie is the man!  Talk | Work 19:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work Stevie! you are the man! I understand why WikiProject Louisville should remain a priority for you, but I'm certainly glad that you're keeping this project in your sites, supporting it and especially, spreading the word! There's no doubt in my mind that Portal:Kentucky will have a huge chunk of Louisvillia bringing life to it. The prospect of involvement from you and the other Louisvillians is very encouraging! -- CQ 18:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Well looks like this portal will take a bit longer to materialize! Maybe June 1, 2007 would be a good launch date, since that's the next anniversiary of Kentucky's addmission into the union. Meanwhile, have a look at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WPPlaces. CQ 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People, places, project and portal coordination

I'm looking into how Portals in general are organized and standardized, but more importantly, how they are collaboratively created, maintained and linked to other related portals. I joined WikiProject Portals to learn more about "...better integration and co-ordination between portal topic areas and ensure any particular Portal does not become messy, forgotten or unnoticed."

Watch the following table over the next few days:

Community Builders TaskForce | join
tasks People Topic Projects Portals
top Wikipedians interests WikiProject Portals
current WikiProject Community Community Community articles by quality Portal:community
proposed WikiProject Sociology Sociology Sociology articles by quality Portal:Sociology

Now, let's see what happens. -- CQ 19:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello and count me in. Portals are one area of Wikipedia that I need more knowledge. I'm going to check out WikiProject Portals too. FloNight talk 05:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey that was quick, FloNight. I've been watching your work and was hoping you'ld show up here. You're in! -- CQ 05:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Here is how the proposal went:

Portal:Kentucky will be created and maintained by the newly formed Wikipedia:WikiProject Kentucky and is being announced at Category_talk:Wikipedians_in_Kentucky and other places. CQ 11:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment:. Could the proposer indulge us of the possible articles (good, FAs?), that could be showcased on the portal. feydey 21:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Reply: Sure. An obvious featured article would be Louisville, Kentucky. A Selected biography might be Thomas D. Clark, the beloved Historian. An extensive collection of Kentucky's geographical features (such as the Cumberland Gap article) and rich History (such as the Battle of Blue Licks article) would be included. BTW Did you know that The Battle of Blue Licks, on August 19, 1782 was the last major battle of the American Revolutionary War? The field is ripe, I tell ya. -- CQ 23:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Oppose, only one FA, no good articles (GA) presented. Perhaps start with a Southern United States Portal? feydey 23:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Comment Where's it say FAs are required for a portal? Not a valid ground to me. Constructed Languages is an FP, yet I think there are no FAs in that area. Rlevse 23:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment: I was referring to Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals#Procedure point no. 2, the nominator did not convince me that there are enough good articles to support the Portal. Thanks, feydey 01:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Anyway, my reasoning probably doesn't really matter, since it seems that people will create the Portals despite opposition (like Portal:LGBT). feydey 01:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Reply: Well, your reasoning certainly matters, Feydey. The Portal namespace is already clogged with abandoned portals (like Portal:Florida). My focus and reasoning for going through the proper channels is to work toward fulfilling a comprehensive project/portal system as a logical subset of Portal:United States. I'm just trying to streamline the process a bit. Thanks for your comment. -- CQ 14:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Support, mainly because I don't think that permission should be required for obvious portal subjects (given all the other states' portals). Kentucky has a rich potential for articles, and a portal should drive more interest in Wikipedians working on Kentucky-related articles. Also, I know another good Kentucky-related article: History of Louisville, Kentucky--I'm sure we could locate or create others in short order. —  Stevie is the man!  Talk | Work 18:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Neutral. In theory, I support the idea, but have concerns that there isn't enough material yet to keep the portal updated. A "rich potential for articles" should materialize. I would like to see a list of featured or Wikipedia:Good articles drafted. --Aude (talk contribs) 20:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - we really need a way to streamline obvious portals like this one. The word "Kentucky" is mentioned in 12,862 Wikipedia namespace articles, which shows enough interest that should allow it to bypass this process. - Davodd 21:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I don't think individual US states warrant individual portals. Portals on administrative subdivisions are unlikely to attract wide readership, and are likely to embody serious systemic bias. Who's ever going to create Portal:Barotseland, Portal:Putumayo, Portal:Hebei Province and so on, and who would ever read them anyway? I disagree that any subject should be exempt from discussion here as well. Worldtraveller 18:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
    Some states certainly merit portals - see Portal:New York, Portal:Texas, Portal:Florida. The question is, does Kentucky fall into that category? bd2412 T 21:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose This would mean that all other states must be included. Southern United States would work. GA, AL, TN, SC, NC, LA, MS, FL. --'appy editing! 21:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I would strongly support a Portal:Southeastern United States. bd2412 T 15:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't like the idea of Portal:Southeastern United States. Talk:Maryland is full of debate as to whether Maryland is a southern or northern state. I'd say it's some of both, but trying to carve up the United States into regions like this is problematic. --Aude (talk contribs) 02:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Conclusion: (as of 21:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC))

  • support - 3 (counting proposer - me)
  • oppose - 3
  • neutral - 1

Thanks for your comments and votes everyone. Looks like a tie, to me. For now, Wikipedia:WikiProject Kentucky/Portal will continue to hold a draft and outline for a Kentucky Portal. Meanwhile, have a look at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WPPlaces for a conserted effort and alternative strategy for dealing with Place-oriented content. I think it's possible that in time, Portal:United States will develop a streamlined system for covering its subnational entities. CQ 21:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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