Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italian Football

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[edit] Stadiums Infoboxes

Tick the stadiums off as they are completed

[edit] Fully completed

[edit] Needs A Picture

[edit] Stadium Article Stubs

[edit] Coppa Italia

I suggest to create cat ans spilt current page to Coppa Italia 2006-07. Matt86hk talk 11:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Having a page with this years results seperatley would be a better idea. Niall123 16:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian Football Templates

Just a thought but how about getting all these templates set up so that they can all be linked together by using the {fb start} and {fb end} codes such as presently being done on the San Siro page. The 5 star template and the Serie A Stadiums template links togehter nicely.

If we could, I wouldn't mind doing the same for the following templates.

I've tried to do this already yet I just can't seem to get it right. I've coded the Results template already but can't get the Football in Italy and Serie A templates to merge on pages such as Serie A and the different seasons pages. Niall123 11:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Football in Italy Template

Anyone think that the Trofeo Birra Moreti and the TIM Trophy should be included on the above template. Basically boils down to both of those cmpetitions being friendlies. I say they should be included on the basis of them being important warm up tournaments for the forthcoming season. Put to public vote I guess. For Niall123 00:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Since they aren't official tournaments, I don't think they should be included in the template. Against CapPixel 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Here in Italy there are a lot of friendly competitions in summer, and I really cannot say that Tim Trophy and Trofeo Birra Moretti are so important to be listed in the template. Against – Luxic 19:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seasons

I think we should decide a standard for the classifications. Actually we have many different classification "layouts":

  • seasons 2003-04 to 2006-07 and before season 1929-30;
  • seasons 1929-30 to 1932-33 (taken directly from the Italan Wikipedia);
  • seasons 1983-84 to 1990-91;
  • seasons 1991-92 and 1992-93;
  • season 1993-94;
  • seasons 1994-95 to 1999-00.

I vote to the have the first one as a standard. - CapPixel 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. I did most of the later seasons, which I took from Italian wikipedia. I'll try to rejig a few of them to look better. Ideally the 2006-07 table should be used, but there is a hell of a lot of work to redo all the old ones. Plus, the 83-84 one is directly taken from the Italian wikipedia and takes a small bit of editing to suit the English wikipedia. Niall123 01:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyone with other ideas? CapPixel 07:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that the 2006-07 table is the best, but, as Niall said, it would be a hard work to standardize all the existing articles... – Luxic 19:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The work should be done. We can't leave the articles the way they're now: after all, this is an encyclopedia and a common standard is needed. ;) Obviously, I'll edit them myself as soon as I'll get to them (actually, I'm working on 1920-21 season). CapPixel 00:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I created articles and layouts for classifications and results on Italian Wikipedia (my nickname on that is Murray), so I decided to use those layouts for the informations I inserted, but I did that just because it's easier for me to work on them; then, if you want to change layout to make it more similar to other articles' style, I have no problem with that! Speirdyke 13:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Just one suggestion: on 2006-07 table we should set fixed-pixel widths, because there is a visible discrepancy between some columns (for example, Goals Scored and Goals Conceded). Speirdyke 13:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Should I assume that the standard layout is 2006-07? CapPixel 07:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd imagine so. Might change a bit over time though. Niall123 08:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I didn't realize this discussion was going on when I made some very minor adjustments to the Serie A 2006-07 Standings format back on Nov 20th. I noticed that the point total is in the third column while most other classifications, including old Serie A standings, have the point total at the far right. I prefer the points on the far right (before comments), but will go along with whatever our group decides. I also think the font should be slightly smaller to match most other classifcations. Once we have agreed on a standardized classifcation it may not be that difficult to change some of the old classifications (especially if we don't have to move the points column for the old ones). I think if we can split the goals for/against columns into 2 separate columns, shorten the team names, and clean-up the comments, we should be able make the classifcations more uniform. I guess we would have to decide on the standard structure for the every old page as a whole. Juveboy 00:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manual of style section

I added a manual of style section. I know it's from the main football WikiProject. I thought 1 manual of style would help preventing conflicts between the 2 WikiProjects. Kingjeff 03:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serie A results

Could someone do the detailed results tomorrow for the Serie A article. I won't be able to do it. You can get the detailed results from [www.skysports.com] in the live scores section. Remember to update the results table too and the fixtures for next week. SHould be back by then. Thanks. Niall123 21:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classification at the end of each month.

If you take a look at Serie_A_2006-07/November you'll notice that I'm after adding the Round 10 table at the end of the Round 10 results in a collapsable template. Basically, I'd imagine that other here would agree that having the classification after each round would be too bulky. I think this is the best way around this as the template collapses into barely nothing. Any views or comments on this and any ideas to maybe improve on this idea ? As you can see, I have added Round 7 Classification yet as Round 7 table was never created on the front page, only Round 8 was added after Round 6. I'll try to get it done in the next few days. Niall123

Classification at the end of each round is better than at the end of each month. However, I'd remove the small table at the bottom with the points deduction and simply write them on the note. – Luxic 13:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
You're prob right. Will replace the table with bullet points. Would prob look a bit cleaner. Niall123

[edit] Expand request

Please expand List of football clubs in Italy, include some ex-Serie B and Serie C teams. Matthew_hk tc 10:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

  • L'Aquila
  • A.C. Cattolica
  • Côme
  • Settempeda

Matthew_hk tc 11:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serie B topscorer, play-off


And i added the play-off result for 2005-06 season. per rsssf. Matthew_hk tc 13:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2002-03 Topscorers

[1]

Place Scorer Scored Team Penalties
1. Igor Protti
22
 A.S. Livorno Calcio
?
2. Dino Fava Passaro
21
 U.S. Triestina Calcio
?
3. Stefan Schwoch
19
 Vicenza Calcio
?

[edit] 2003-04 Topscorers

[2]

Place Scorer Scored Team Penalties
1. Luca Toni
29
 U.S. Città di Palermo
?
2. Cristiano Lucarelli
27
 A.S. Livorno Calcio
?
3. Igor Protti
24
 A.S. Livorno Calcio
?
?. Christian Riganò
23
 ACF Fiorentina
?

[edit] 2004-05 Topscorers

[3]

Place Scorer Scored Team Penalties
1. Gionatha Spinesi
20
 A.C. Arezzo
?
2. Diego Milito
19
 Genoa C.F.C.
?
2. Francesco Tavano
19
 Empoli F.C.
?
4. Erjon Bogdani
17
 Hellas Verona F.C.
?
4. Cristian Bucchi
17
 Ascoli Calcio 1898
?
4. Roberto Stellone
17
 Genoa C.F.C.
?
?. Raffaele Palladino
15
 Salernitana Calcio 1919
?
I completed the 2005-06 topscorers table. As for the other two, I think that we should create the articles first(Serie B 2003-04, Serie B 2004-05). – Luxic 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Player Article Drive

  • Lack of first team players' articles

Last update by Niall 12:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


A small idea but how about focusing on different articles and try to all improve them in one go. I personally think that an area lacking is in player articles. From what I can tell, there are far too manay players without any articles.
From my point of view we should focus on one team each week. How about focusing on the big teams first, especially on the Majority Completed section and get them up to standard. There shouldn't be too much work in doing these ones. After that we'll move onto the other ones. All it takes is doing 1 or 2 per week. If every person did that there would be a huge improvement within a month or 2. Niall123 19:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I created a stub of Dennis Esposito, so Inter is completed. However, I think that we should focus on one team at a time. – Luxic 22:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. How about doing the Udinese squad first as their official website carries details bios of all their players ? I've done both Felipe and Cesare Natali already. Niall123 23:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know, the stub about Esposito has been nominated for deletion... and it seems that it will be deleted soon. As for Udinese players, I will do as much as possible when I have time. – Luxic 20:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I made Barreto and Paoletti – Luxic 22:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added about another 8 Udinese players. Slowly getting there. Should have Udinese done soon. Niall123
I've completed Lazio (though just stubs) and written Surraco's article, so now Udinese first team is completed. Should we focus on Udinese's youth or on another team? – Luxic 22:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't say I mind too much. My view would be to do the first team members first and when a lot of the teams first players are done, might move onto the youth players after. What team do you want to do next ? Considering there's only 8 players left for Livorno , doing that team mightn't be a bad idea if you think its OK ? Niall123

Livorno's been done. Let's go on with Parma. – Luxic 15:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Ignore the youth players, their notability is questionable , and improve my creation User:Matthew hk/Italian. Matthew_hk tc 11:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be better to decide what makes a youth player notable? An appearance with the first team? An appearance on the bench? A cap with the national team or a youth national team? Or what else? – Luxic 16:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
And please list the stub on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles, and search international stats (Italian) on FIGC > Nazionale in cifre Matthew_hk tc 12:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, we will, but could you give us a hand too? – Luxic 16:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Club Article Drive

Some Serie B team squad still not updated, likes Pescara Calcio. Matthew_hk tc 18:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment for Italian Football

Could someone address the following conflict: category names should be changed. There are many Italian football articles that members of WikiProject Football have assessed, but these articles are still in the category of Unassessed football articles because of WikiProject:Italian Football's template. Thank you. --Crzycheetah 20:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derby

http://www.acffiorentina.it/it/

Why they call ACF Fiorentina verse A.C. Siena is a derby? the city seems far away. Matthew_hk tc 09:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Here in Italy we often refer to a match between two teams from the same region as a derby (or regional derby), even when there isn't a great rivalry between the teams at issue. – Luxic 20:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming of Stadiums

Last week I decided to move Stadio Giuseppe Meazza to San Siro. I did this for quite a few reasons that I have listed on San Siro's talk page (shown below). Anyways, before the move, I had entered a discussion on the WikiProject Football's talk wether this move would be ok. I had one reply which was basically do what you want. Now that I have moved San Siro, I'm just wondering should the same be done for Stadio Renzo Barbera and Stadio Luigi Ferraris. The case for these two stadiums might not be as obvious as for the San Siro but I'd just like to get an opinion here. Niall123 19:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Stadio Giuseppe Meazza is the official name since 80s, Giuseppe Meazza is the star player of Inter, he play a while on AC Milan, but still a Nerazzurri, so Milan fans like to use San Siro instead of official name. But naming of article usually use common name, you can mention the official and common name in article. Matthew_hk tc 03:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, the name San Siro come from the district where it is located and was the original name of the stadium. Since the renaming people (not only milanisti but many interisti as well) have always kept calling it San Siro. That's because Giuseppe Meazza, despite being a great player and wining two World Cup, played too long ago and nowadays only 70/80-year-old people have a real memory of him. In substance I agree with the move. – Luxic 21:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move

I've moved the article from Stadio Giuseppe Meazza to here for a number of reasons.

  • The official Milan website call it the "San Siro" and make no mention of the name "Stadio Giuseppe Meazza" - [4]
  • Almost all templates on Wikipedia have "San Siro" written on them.
  • Almost all links to the San Siro/Giuseppe Meazza article are titled "San Siro"
  • A presidence has been set with the Nou Camp article. This is not the stadiums official name.
  • The vast majority of people call this stadium the "San Siro". In popular culture it is the "San Siro".
  • Google search for San Siro brings up 1,690,000 links which a search for "Stadio Giuseppe Meazza" brings up only 160,000.
  • For a lot of people such as Lulu, Madonna and others, its their stage name which is being used and not their legal and official name. I believe the same should be set as a president for other articles.


Niall123 17:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fiorenzuola

i request create a article for the club, the former club of Massimo Oddo, Christian Manfredini, Luca Toni, Krzysztof Bukalski, Claudio Bellucci, Luca Vigiani, Flavio Roma, Ezio Brevi, William Viali, Gianfranco Circati Matthew_hk tc 11:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Italian footballers abroad

[edit] Category:Italy under-21 international footballers

Hope someone populated the cat. The players list can found from

Matthew_hk tc 07:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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