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[edit] Open tasks for the Islam Wikiproject

I propose to make something like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Iran#To_do_list for this wikiproject. For example some issues like ‎Tawhid, Islamic concept of God and Allah need more works. So members can be aware by this way. Also members can be aware about POV articles, editorial wars and so on. --Sa.vakilian 15:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I think the Islam Open Tasks is a great idea for organizing Islam related articles. I think that the [section](also see the list of articles could be merged into the Islam Open Tasks.


Current Islam WikiProject tasks
Top priorities




Cleanup


Missing
  • Revelation in Islam

or Revelation of Qur'an(Wahy)

  • Standard Qur'an
  • History of the Muslims in Latin America
Cleanup / Wikify


Merges


Discussion


Expansion


Vandalism
Open tasks for WikiProject Islam
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Top priorities
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Cleanup /
Wikify
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Missing articles
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Expansion



  • Revelation in Islam

or Revelation of Qur'an(Wahy)

  • Standard Qur'an
  • History of the Muslims in Latin America
[edit ] Merges [edit ] Discussions [edit ] Maps, Pictures, Timelines etc.
[edit ] POV and disputed articles [edit ] Vandalism

Also we can use this tag in the talk pages of related articles.

Islam

This article is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam, a WikiProject related to the Islam.

It has been rated - on the quality scale.


??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale.
??? This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale.
Islam articles
Quality
Featured article FA 2
A 1
Good article GA 1
B 13
Start 17
Stub 16
Unassessed 4
Importance
Top 12
High 17
Mid 12
Low 10
Total: 54


what's the deal with WikiProject Islam? it seems a little inactive to me... it would be great if we could re-organise this wikiproject and start working more collaboratively, there are loads of articles we need to take a look at, as well as lots of other work to do. ITAQALLAH 22:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Itaqallah. I'm all for that. This is the place to suggest ideas. I think most people don't bother to write their ideas here and just use the talk pages of the articles they are editting. I'm ready to hear your thoughts so that more people can be more active in the Project. MP (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
i'll come up with some suggestions in a moment, the wiki is totally lagging up atm. ok i was thinking about checking up on the project page and assessing what needs to be added/removed. definitely introduce some kind of to-do template as mentioned above, introduce a peer-review system for islam-related articles and outline specific quality-related criterion- linked in to this can be rate more islam-related articles while re-introducing the rating scale on the right. also maybe include Portal:Islam within our scope and assign editors for frequent updating of selected articles, DYK's etc. there are ideas from other very active wikiprojects like WP:INDIA which i think would be great to incorporate here. we have a number of editors already signed up to WP:ISLAM but many of them are not actively involved within the project, so in this sense we can try to involve current editors more in maintenance here and in helping possible wikiproject ideas flourish. ITAQALLAH 23:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
There are two similiar to-do template. One of them arrange horizentally and the other vertically. I think the first one occupy less room if we want to add many article in it.--Sa.vakilian 02:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Itaqallah, those are good suggestions. Perhaps we should start off by listing here what we want and how to incorporate those ideas in practice (see below). Then once we have the ideas, we can create a big table like the one at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Iran with a smattering of other templates within. I like Sa.vakilian's idea of the horizontal to-do list template; it's a nice way of collecting information together. Just one thing: can we tone down the bright red and green (they're a bit strong on the eyes) ? :)

[edit] Suggestions for what we may want to include

Some of these are Itaqallah's ideas - please add to this list:

[edit] Project page related ideas

  • Goals and aims (at start of table).
  • Links to pages with frequent vandalism, indicating in particular those with very specific vandalism - this will probably be in the open tasks template.
  • A participants/members list, possibly with information on which members are assigned specific tasks.
    • Perhaps also divide member list up with "active" and "not-so-active" subheadings, the latter being for those editors who have ceased editing of late.
  • Include open-tasks template (alluded to in second bullet point) designed to be a quick reference for articles requiring various kinds of work (also fix up the color scheme).

[edit] Other WikiProject-associated ideas

  • Consider merge between WikiProject Islam and WikiProject The Muslim Guild per the inactivity of both (better to pool resources).
  • Introduce a WikiProject noticeboard where related or unrelated editors may bring articles/categories/images/whatever to our attention, can also accomodate relevant article related discussion (this discussion page I think should be mainly for addressing maintenance of the main project page as well as proposing WikiProject ideas). This differs with the open tasks template in that the template is a quick reference whereas the noticeboard is generally the place to report and discuss it.
    • Perhaps introduce related sub-pages such as a specific page to report and discuss vandalism, or a sub-page for requesting peer review or comments on Islam-related articles, and so on.

MP (talk) 15:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

ok, inserted some more ideas plus a section for ideas not directly related to front-page improvements. ITAQALLAH 02:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asma Gull Hasan

This article is currently listed on AFD, and I think it could be improved and expanded substantially with a little work by someone familiar with the subject matter. Anyone here want to give it a go? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sign up

How does somebody sign up Bazel 22:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

One has merely to put a hex (#) followed by four tildes (~~~~) at the end of the memberlist to register in this Wikiproject. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 11:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Like this

Er... No... It should be typed like that:
# ~~~~
Ariedartin JECJY Talk 11:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination Qur'an as a Good article

I want to nominate Qur'an as a Good article. Please write your idea in Talk:Qur'an#Good article.--Sa.vakilian 10:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Bu Ali Shah Qalandar

I found this article in the backlog of articles to be wikified and just did some basic editing on it. The subject of the article is a Sufi saint who lived in Panipat, India. Since then an anonmyous but obviously knowledgeable editor added a chunk of text disputing the original. I have transferred most of this to the talk page. It really needs sorting out by someone who is knowledgeable about Sufism and/or the history of Islam in that part of the world. If someone could take charge of that, I'd be grateful and pleased to delete the article from my watchlist. Thanks. Itsmejudith 10:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ArDr nom.

I've nominated Islam at the Article drive. Vote here to support it. Dev920 (check out this proposal) 15:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preparation for Article Improvement.

x-posting to the Islamic Wikiprojects. It looks like Islam is going to win the ARCAID on Sunday(and if you haven't voted yet, please do so), so, to coincide with it, I would like to request your help. This Sunday, take a book on Islam from your shelves (or borrow one from your library). It doesn't really matter what book. Then spend a few hours flipping through it and reference Islam. Either reference facts that are already on the article, or add new ones that you find. It doesn't matter how much information gets dumped on the article, we can always move it off into more appropriate articles. Just find a fact, and give a reference. If we all do that, Islam could reach FA by Christmas. Anyone with me on this? Dev920 (check out this proposal) 23:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in Need of cleanup by somebody with experience

Could somebody, hopefully with a bit of knowledge on the topic, take a look at Islam in Suriname? It was recently expanded significantly and it needs cleanup. Thanks. Fightindaman 00:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reforms under Islam (610-661)

This article is undergoing a lot of fierce deabte, most of it concerning the validity of certain sources. I'm an admin who's done a little helping out but I don't really know enough on the subject to get fully involved. Any new commentors would be desperatly welcome. --Robdurbar 10:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] religioustolerance dot org

I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article).

Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think.

Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).

You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").

Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. --A. B. 17:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

religious tolerance.org is marvellous - I would say they are teh best NPOV people out there. Dev920 (Please peer review here.) 19:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian

Are events related to Muslim, such as Palestinian related issues in the scope of this project? --Striver 01:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No. There is, however a Arab-Israeli conflict Wikiproject somewhere. You can go there. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Were is that? Further, how about other Muslim related issues? We need to specify the scope of this project. --Striver 14:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I have always been under the assumption that, because this Wikiproject is called "Islam", it's scope is to improve Islamic articles. Muslim-related issues don't exist - either an article is related to Islam, or the fact that persons concerned are Muslim is irrelevant. For example, though Saudi Arabia is technically 100% Muslim, I would not consider it an article under our scope - it would be for the georgraphy Wikiprojects to deal with. However, the Muhammad cartoons controversy is under our scope because it was objected to because of Islam - although few of the participants were actually Muslim. If an article is not directly related to Islam, it is nothing to do with us, and will undoubtedly fall under someone else's scope. Wikiproject Arab-Israeli conflict is here Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, does that mean that we need WikiProject Muslims? --Striver 22:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Why, what articles do you want to create? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
No, i dont want to creat an article, i want a project for all the Muslim-ralated articles. Im am going to creat WikiProject Muslims unless i get a reason to not do it. --Striver 16:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
...because you don't know what articles it covers? Because you're creating yet another wikiproject taht no-one will join? Because you've got about 5 taskforces you ought to be getting on with? Because WikiProject Islam needs you to work on it? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
It will cover all, ALL, articles that are not under the scope of this project, but is related to Muslims, for example 9/11, stuff i Malaysia, Asra Q nomai and other *******, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Iran and so on... Im sure people will join. I already spend 8-12 hours per day on my task forces and this project, that is more that the average users spends per month. --Striver 02:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
9/11 does not need its own wikiproject, as you found out when your 9/11 wikiproject was deleted. The others come under the scope of a geographic wikiproject. And my goodness, man, do you not have school/work? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 14:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Any thing related to Muslim and Islam is and should be in scope of this project. We do not need to make new project for them. If somone does not want to take part in help related to some specific article then he can stay away. Dev920 pleeease do not create reasons for creating seperate project and let us work together on all the issue concerning to Islam/Muslims here. --- ALM 14:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I wasn't the one who wanted to create another wikiproject for non-existent articles. I suggested that Striver work on articles here before swanning off to start another pet project. This wikiproject is virtually dead - it needs to be kickstarted before any more of these blasted wikiprojects pop up. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 14:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You said "No. There is, however a Arab-Israeli conflict Wikiproject somewhere. You can go there." Striver will work here on ALL the issue involving Islam as well as Muslims. And we all will like to work here together. No need to start new project hence do not give that kind of statements please. Let all of us work here please. --- ALM 14:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC) When we created Guild then you are the one who speak against it. Now he wants to work here and you are against it too. Please do not do that. --- ALM 15:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Palestinian issue isn't anything to do with Islam. It's about a bunch of people quite annoyed because they got rather rudely shoved out of their own land - religion has nothing to do with it. I don't have a problem with Striver working here - in fact, if you read my messages above, I WANT him to stay here and work on his taskforces, not go gallivanting off to create another wikiproject. He's the one that wants to leave. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Palestinian issue has to do with Islam and Muslims. We all Muslims think so. We Muslims are an Ummah hence I never cared about Pakistan articles much and not contribute on them much. However, attack on Iraq is attack on my country, my land and a pain of Palestinian is my pain. Killing of some remote Muslim (who cannot speak my language and do not looks like me) is related to me and like killing of my real brother. I hate nationalism and have no love associated with any nation things. Hence everything related to us as Ummah should be discussed and worked in one project. That is the right place for that so let us do it here. Otherwise do not speak against us please when we create new projects or send email around because you give us reasons to do that. --- ALM 16:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Note for Dev920: Please do not take my above post like if a Muslim will be wrong even then I supposed to take his side. It only means we are just like family members and do not believe in seperate countries or any other divisions (I wish there is no Pakistan). I will always try to take side of what is right (even if a Muslim say it otherwise). --- ALM 17:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because you feel bad for the Palestinians does not mean that Palestine comes under the Wikiproject's scope. Just because you, as a Muslim, identify with Palestinian Muslims does not mean that their conflict has anything whatsover to do with Islam. It doesn't. If you, individually, want to work on Palestinian articles because you consider them an important part of the ummah, ok, go ahead, but don't claim that their situation has anything to do with Islam. If the Palestinians had been Christian they would still have been thrown out of Israel. Please stop creating division between Wikipedians on the basis of religion - WikiProject Islam should be about Islamic articles, not causes that offend or hurt you. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay! In that case I will support to create WikiProject Muslims. For me Islam-Muslim both are same and I really wish if here we can work on them peacefully.
  • smacks head* Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You know, most of my user page text have been there because of some reaction to someone post. Without explaining that what text I added when. You can see earlier version of my User page which used to be much different. I am going to add another thing today another thing because I love yours they would still have been thrown out of Israel. --- ALM 18:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Go for it, mate. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Done! already, well before your above post. --- ALM 18:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a suggestion for an article: "The significance of the Israel-Palestinian conflict in the Muslim World". Most Muslim people consider the Israeli-Palestinian issue to be of almost mythic significance, more so than issues affecting Muslims or non-Muslims elsewhere in the world. I don't think most Americans get how deeply the Muslim world feels about this particular story.An article about how and why Muslims take the Palestinian thing so seriously (disproportionately compared to everything else going on in the world) would be a noteworthy article. I don't think the Palestine or Israel article or related articles are mentionable here since they arent really about Islam. How Muslims view the issue is a separate topic and could be approached here. Shams2006 02:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moinuddin Chishti is a mess

Can someone have a look at Moinuddin Chishti? I have a great love and respect for that man. I don't think I'm the right guy to go in and try to clean it up -- I think it would start an edit war. BUt I hope someone will have a look and take a shot at cleanup.

Thanks. --Nemonoman 17:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

Why don't we organize a fortnightly collaboration, like many wikiprojects do? Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 15:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

that is a great idea Nielswik, maybe we could conduct a quick straw poll to see what other people think about it? ITAQALLAH 18:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Periodic WikiProject Islam collaboration:

For

  1. ITAQALLAH 18:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  2. On condition there is a strict guideline for people to refer to (no block quotes of the Qu'ran, no overboard attempts to explain away bad points etc.) when writing. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Against

[edit] FYI

A new section is started in the MOS: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)/Partisan and extremist websites join!. --Striver 02:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to again encourage everyone to notice this initiative, we need many voices for this to be effective. --Striver 09:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OR

Somebody is OR'ing that saffya was a concubine, can you people take a look, it does not seems like he cares what i am telling him. --Striver 19:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Please view the edit history, its not good if i am the only one arguing such an obvious point. --Striver 23:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Kitab al-Milal wa al-Nihal

I would appreciate some comments on this, more info on its talk page. --Striver 10:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need your opinions

I think we are near to a compromise here Talk:Third_holiest_site_in_Islam_(expression). That is changing it name to Holiest sites in Islam. Can you please give your opinion too before I can make that important article-move. Thanking in anticipation. --- ALM 13:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that you are simply renaming an article that every Muslim editor agrees should not exist. Do you want me to nominate for deletion? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
It has been nominated three times for deletion already. All Muslims voted to delete and most of Jews voted to keep. The results in all the time is more delete vote and less keep vote but no consensus. This might be a better way to get rid of its POV filled name. I will extend the article by including Mecca and Medina in it. --- ALM 15:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I know that. That's why I am offering, as a non-Muslim, to nominate it again, to demonstrate it isn't just Sunni muslims who want to get rid of it. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
All Shia Striver, BhaiSaab, Aminz and others already said in previous AFDs in loud voices that look we are Shia and it is also not our point of view. Even then that group do not listen. No Shia had voted to keep. I think it will be useless thing to nominate it fourth time. --- ALM 16:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I still need few more votes there before I move it Holiest sites in Islam. Anyone interested in it please give you comments. --- ALM 10:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Answering-Islam.org

I have nominated Answering-Islam.org for deletion. I have given my reasons there please read them and see the website too. You can then choose keep and delete according to your wishes. --- ALM 15:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question regarding assessments

I notice that at least one of the groups which has recently been incorporated as a task force engaged in assessments, while the parent project still does not. Would the project be interested in changing the banner to one resembling that of WikiProject Military history, which can list the quality and importance of an article as well as whichever subgroup is applicable. I would welcome any response. Oh, and I am marking this page, but I mark a lot of pages, and may not see that there is a response. If the response is yes, and I don't respond within a day or two, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Badbilltucker 16:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

responded on talk page. ITAQALLAH 00:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for assistance at Native Americans and Islam

Hello there all. I would like to solicit the assistance and expertise of project members at the recently-created and contentious Native Americans and Islam article, which (IMO) presently suffers from a good deal of misinformation, slanted POV and highly dubious 'historical' data. Which is a pity, since there should be a valid article topic in this, but like a few other articles and templates initiated by its creator(7 day (talk • contribs)) needs considerable work to address POV and OR concerns. Anyone with the time or inclination would be welcome to help out on this and related articles, regards.--cjllw | TALK 00:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ghazw

Ghazw might need attention. --Striver 11:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Religious leaders

The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third holiest site in Islam is finally renamed

The third holiest site in Islam article is finally renamed to Holiest sites in Islam which is a good News for most of Muslims. Now, please someone include Mecca (kaaba) and Majid-e-Nabvi (medina) in it. Also we need to change the introduction and convert it into one that matches the new title better. Please spend sometime on it. I will also try to do it. -- ALM 15:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar

Interesting article. --Striver 22:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the Sudden Jihad Syndrome notion. It is too dangerous and we all should have vaccination against it. --- ALM 09:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, i might accidentally kill all infidels in my city if i don't take that vaccination. You know were i can get it? --Striver 06:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can anybody clean this article up?

Can anybody clean this article up: Mushahada? I've put a {{prod}} tag on it, because it's basically unreadable in its current state. That is, if it's even a notable term. -Patstuarttalk|edits 23:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Taskforce: Taskforce: Criticism of Islam

I have added this new task force: Taskforce:Criticism of Islam. Please join in and lets improve the articles relating to Criticism of Islam. On another note, is it acceptable to create a shortcut for the main article? I created WP:COFI which goes to Criticism of Islam. Did I do the right thing? Can we add this shortcut now to the Criticism of Islam page? thanks. --Matt57 00:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with the initiative. --Striver 06:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, that relieves me. I'm curious to know how these task forces can be used to make articles better. --Matt57 20:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if some other people to not agree with me. Lets just hope the task force is kept "clean", more than one project page have been deleted since some people in them have not behaved. And that workforce is dealing with sensitive issues, so lets keep it sensitive and nobody should complain. In fact, if it develops nicely, i might consider joining it. --Striver 22:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for joining. How do we work this thing? I saw some of the WP Islam taskforces and they're doing nothing -no activity. How is it done then?--Matt57 23:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Whenever i find a article related to scholars, i add it here. In that way, ill have a global view of all articles. Then i can also see what articles need attention, and when would be appropriate to try to bolster one of them to a higher status. Also, by tagging all scholars, i make sure that they are in that section, and that they are all accounted for, and making sure none is forgotten or duplicated. Now, this information can be used for many things. Except for the general overview of the quality of each article and its importance in relation to this project, i also get a nice list per century, something i had great use of while creating this. Now, when and if enough people join, we can start collaboration, deciding to focus on a special article for a given time in order to raise it status. When that is done, we can have an internal peer review of superior quality, since all experts are presumably gathered in the task force. After that, one could launch a proper peer review and raise it to GA or better status. Also, one could write Standardization templates and other quirks that each article should try to have. Is that a good answer? --Striver 00:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats a great answer, thanks a lot. Its enough for me to work on. You among your friends are the most positive and cooperating editor. I hope others will follow your example. --Matt57 20:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The taskforce states it is meant to promote pushing articles on criticisms of islam to 'good' standing. 'Criticism' is a negative view on a subject, and to form a group that deals only with criticism articles is to push a POV. Criticism articles should be dealt in the same space that any other article on Islam is dealt with. This taskforce should be deleted immediately. Shams2006 05:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

i concur. ITAQALLAH 05:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Its not a push of POV. For example if the defense of the criticism is stronger then your "POV" argument fails. Here are the logical steps for this situation:
  1. Criticism of Islam is a main article, which has many sub-sections.
  2. There's nothing wrong with creating a collaborative effort to improve all these articles.
Plus you are completely wrong in saying "Negative articles on Islam do not have the same right to be improved than other Islam articles, just as positive articles praising Islam would be out of place here." - all articles in Wikipedia have the right to be improved. I dare you to say Criticism of Islam is an article that does not have the right to be improved. That statement will make a lot of people laugh actually.--Matt57 20:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Just because you don't like the negative articles on Islam does not mean that they don't have the same right to be improved as other Islamic articles. The eventual endgame is that every article will be FA status, and that includes Critical articles on Islam. I see no reason why one taskforce among seven must be shut down because you don't like it. Incidentally, I do not know if you have ever read WP:NPOV, but it makes it clear in the lead section that NPOV refers only to the main namespace. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually you're wrong. It's not about me not liking negative articles. Wikipedia isnt supposed to host articles that promote or condemn topics. Negative articles on Islam do not have the same right to be improved than other Islam articles, just as positive articles praising Islam would be out of place here. Would you be okay if Muslims here created a taskforce for articles and content praising and promoting Islam? You wouldnt. Shams2006 18:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you think the List of Muslims exists for? To a non-biased person they look nuetral, but it can be said for them as well that these lists are made to portray a positive look on Islam and thus a POV, right? List of Muslim Scholars, Scientists and all those sub-lists that exist there - no one is stopping you for example to form a taskforce to improve all Islam-related lists. No one said anything about the taskforce to improve Leaders and politicians of Islam, which already exists and that group of articles puts Islam in a positive light, correct? Thats ok. You can form any task force to improve any article on Wikipedia. Needless to say every article has the same right as any other. See there are a number of options you guys who are opposing this taskforce can choose:
  1. Let the Criticism of Islam taskforce remain as it is, OR
  2. Let the material spill out on the Project's main page (I dont think anyone will like that but I can do that if need be)
  3. A new project or page will somehow be created like Wikiproject:Islam.
The end objective is the same: to improve articles on Criticism of Islam. Its up to you guys what option you want to choose, but - there is nothing that can prevent the forming of a collaborative effort in some form, that will focus on the Criticism of Islam sections. Does anyone want to take this to the Mediation Committee etc to get this resolved? --Matt57 20:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
That's a silly comparison. To a perfectly neutral reader the purpose of your project is obvious, they need only read your own words. What you are doing is creating a taskforce to promote articles that push a negative view of Islam. That articles may suggest a view is unavoidable, and I guess a lot of articles here push a negative view too. There is no taskforce to push a positive view of Islam though, and there shouldnt be a negative one either. Shams2006 21:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I've decided I needed to tag this page as being considered for deletion. Its function is to be a meeting place for POV pushing against Islam. People, please participate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Islam/Criticism_of_Islam_task_force Shams2006 03:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been watching the discussion for some time, but I can't help but point out something in Wikipedia's policies that questions the existence of such articles in the first place. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 15:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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