Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia

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Contents 1 Fauna of New Guinea 2 Featured Articles 2.1 Candidates 3 Joining WP 4 Collaboration 5 Indonesia navigation 6 Books 7 Selected article nominations 8 Spelling 9 Criteria for inclusion/exclusion 10 Featured Portal!! Yay! 11 Busy 12 Tagging talk pages and assessing articles 13 Category:Indonesian words 14 Poverty in Indonesia 15 Heroes' Day 16 Project directory 17 I am an amateur 18 My Wikibreak 19 E Java template 20 Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia

[edit] Fauna of New Guinea

I saw the WikiProject on the community portal, and thought I would make you aware of this article. I created a bit over a week ago, and am currently working on getting it to FA. IF anyone would like to help, please do. Thanks --liquidGhoul 14:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi LiquidGhoul, I'm afraid I'm no biologist, so can't help you with this article from that point of view, but if you need anything translating from Indonesian, let me know. Cheers, --Sepa 12:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Articles

I agree with Imoeng that it's sad there are no featured articles about Indonesian. Perhaps we should choose just one and work on it? It's hard when just one person is working on something... I'd love to get Kartini up to FA status, but just don't have the time to drum up the support that's required. There are other groups that might be interested in helping out too... the Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias group might be willing to help out, and it also might be worth approaching the Dutch group, too. Cheers, --Sepa 12:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I reckon, many Dutchs on the notice board page. Kartini is a good choice, (as well as many possible articles :P). So what do you think if we wait a little bit longer until people show up? Btw, do you have any relation with some people in that project? Cheers -- Imoeng 12:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

August 17, 1945, the declaration of independence. They didn't use a flagpole made from gold, instead, made from bamboo. They didn't make the flag from silk, instead, it was from two clothes. For now, I think we don't need a collaboration info page yet, so, lets talk about it here for tonight! HEhehehheh -- Imoeng 12:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Before we start drumming up support for Kartini, we need to do a bit more research... it was nominated for 'good article' status, and on the talk page you can see the comments that were made in that attempt. We need to fix those issues up before doing any more. I don't know anyone on the Dutch board, but CherryTreeBlossom from the Systemic Bias board took a look at it before and would probably do so again once we've made some significant changes. I think we also might need to accept the possibility that maybe there just isn't an article of FA quality in there, but that won't stop us trying to create one!

[edit] Candidates

• Kartini
  • I agree with that -- Imoeng

[edit] Joining WP

Hi, I'm a new user of Wikipedia. I saw WikiProject Indonesia and I'd like to help something that I knew about. The question is: where do I start? And also I've found some Indonesian articles that haven't been tagged with WP:INA. How can I tag it? — Indon 14:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

The new collaboration page has been created. For now, it is a "collaboration of the week" with standard rules and stuff, which later we can decide for any changes. But now, lets start nominating articles (one article for each person!) and voting. Please take a look at the page. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia navigation

I had a spare time so I created WP:NAVINDO or WP:INA/N. Its a "somewhat" complete navigation of all Indonesia-related stuff, beside articles. Take care -- Imoeng 07:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Books

There seem a very large number of indon arts with not one off-line ref, is there a problem with citing books or non-internet refs at all ? SatuSuro 13:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess it depends on what access to references you have. I only have access to online resources, as I'm no longer studying, AND I live in the UK where resources about Indonesia are limited anyway. --Sepa 11:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you can cite off-line sources. Take a look at this example Wikipedia:Template_messages/Sources_of_articles/Generic_citations, all url fields in the template are optional. — Indon (reply) — 22:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selected article nominations

If I create a page where we can nominate articles and pictures for the Indonesian portal, will people (you) participate. If yes, I'll make it right away! Cheers -- Imoeng 09:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for late answer, yes I will participate. — Indon (reply) — 22:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

Are we using American or British English? Cheers -- Imoeng 11:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC) (new signature colour/color!!!)

I think the official policy is that it doesn't matter, as long as it's consistent within an article? Personally I use British spelling as that's what I grew up with, but I don't mind using US spelling in the odd article that has already been started. I wouldn't want to swap completely as I don't know US spelling for a lot words and it would be awkward to change such a well developed habit! --Sepa 11:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, from now on I reckon I'll use British English spelling. However if there is an article with American English, I would just follow the current style. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

And I don't know which one is American and which one is British, cause I'm living not in both countries, hahaha. So, please remind or correct my contributions if they are not consistent in the corresponding articles. — Indon (reply) — 12:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criteria for inclusion/exclusion

Our goals

       * To provide guidelines and recommendations for articles that describe all aspects of Indonesia.
       * To improve Wikipedia's coverage of Indonesia by creating, expanding, and maintaining such articles.
       * To serve as the central point of discussion for issues related to Indonesia in Wikipedia.

Our scope

   The project generally considers any article related to Indonesia to be a valid topic. 

This needs to be reviewed in face of objections of inclusions of articles in Wiki Project Indonesia and Indonesia Portal from some editors. I suggest that a serious revision of the above goals and scope needs to be made, or otherwise clarified in some way.

• If time limits are to be placed on this, then Indonesia History Project participants should be consulted considering the effort that they have put in.
• If subject limits are to be placed as well, the Indonesia Portal will probably have to be reduced in scope.

Best of luck SatuSuro 12:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Again, you misunderstood me and put an extreme point. For others, the above topic, raised by SatuSuro, — I assumed — was related to the discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia/Assessment about non-Indonesian articles. Come on, SatuSuro! You don't have to raise about time limit here. Any Indonesian-related articles without time limit, as long as it is related to Indonesia can be included in this project. Now, I've listed several articles about individuals which are not valid in this project (see this page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia/Assessment again). They have a relation, but please are they related-Indonesian articles?? Just use your common sense. If a Dutch politicians who lived during the Dutch East Indies is listed in the project, should we include Napoleon Bonaparte??? — Indon (reply) — 12:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The misunderstandings seem endless.

(1) You listed Van Mook, I gave an example where he was a Dutch administrator of Dutch East Indies at a critical time, If you have a problem with that - is he in or out?

(2) You are most welcome to take whoever you like out, my common sense maybe different from yours on a number of matters, I am not asking you to keep any articles, I have put them up - and have no problem if you give a good reason to remove them.

(3) Napoleon Bonaparte is not in, but Stamford Raffles is definitely in because he created the position of the Pakualam in Yogyakarta, for a start.

Are we getting anywhere on this? SatuSuro 13:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Portal!! Yay!

Congrats guys! The Indonesian portal is now a featured portal, woohoo! Again, I'd like to thank people who participate in the improvements of the portal. Cheers -- Imoeng 20:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations !!!. Now let us make tons of featured articles, guys. — Indon (reply) — 08:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Well done - you deserve a pat on the back - but keep up the hard work guys - there is still a lot of room for imporvement (says the old grumpy editor) SatuSuro 08:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Pat on the back, uhh, not so hard, okay? Hehehehe. Yeah lets rule Wikipedia! (says the kid who wants to rule the world) Imoeng 08:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Well done Imoeng! You've made such a difference to the Indo community here on Wikipedia in such a short time... I'm glad you're here.--Sepa 18:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Sepa :) Imoeng 23:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Busy

Hey all, how are you going? So, yeah, I've got four new projects now, d'oh! Therefore I probably won't be as active as usual. Well, if something-very-serious-that-you-need-to-contact-me happens, you can still drop a message on my talk page, or my email. Cheers, take care -- Imoeng 12:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging talk pages and assessing articles

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[edit] Category:Indonesian words

I started: Category:Indonesian words. If you see any more words, maybe add the cat. yours Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tobias, I noticed this yesterday. I am not sure of the benefit of this category. Although i don't want to suggest it be deleted without you having a chance to explain its intended use. Obviously you cannot put every Indonesian word there, so the few that do go there must have a reason. Why for example to people need to know that kota means city. On the other hand orang redirects to Orangutan which is certainly not its primary meaning in Indonesian. I also note that the words listed there are mostly (or all??) redirected to an English language equivalent. All I am saying is that the intentions of the category need to be more fully defined and communicated. Thanks --Merbabu 22:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poverty in Indonesia

I noticed that poverty in Indonesia redirects to Indonesia, which appears to have no significant discussion of poverty. Given that 52.4% of its 223 million citizens are living on less than $2 US a day, I would have expected it to have more significant coverage.

I would start an article, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the subject. I will, however, gladly contribute where I can if someone would care to start it - just leave a note on my talk page. Of course, if I'm missing this please do point me in the right direction - I'm trying to link from the article on the documentary War Photographer. --INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 14:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree that it is a very important topic that has not been adequately addressed. I'm sure there is a lot of information on the web from NGOs. It would make a good collaboration of the week for the Indonesia wikiproject. As well as creating a new article, the information needs to be well integrated with the Indonesia and Economy of Indonesia articles (MichaelJLowe 05:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC))

Perhaps it is a new section of the Economy article?? Maybe later, if there is enough info create an independant article. I'd rather see a complete section rather than a light article. just my 2cents --Merbabu 05:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heroes' Day

I added this line to November 10:

• 1945 - the first Indonesian resistance against the returning colonialists after World War II, celebrated as Heroes' Day (Hari Pahlawan).^{[citation needed]}

That's probably not quite right (it was the English returning, on behalf of the Dutch?)... I tried to check it but it's not mentioned in History of Indonesia. --Singkong2005 · talk 14:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I am an amateur

Where do you got all that information? I want to support and be an active member too but i dont know how to get all that information you have. WHere do you get it? User:Marhadiasa 10.55, 26 Oct 06 (UTC +7)

ha ha, well that is the trick - it can be hard. Sources have to be reliable, and the more often they appear, the better. Here's some good general info on citations - sorry if you already know all that. --Merbabu 04:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Wikibreak

Hello all, how are you? So as I said on my talk page, I have decided to have a extremely gigantic marvellously ultimately long wikibreak. The reason is Wikipedia has affected my real life so much and I didn't realise it. Also, Satu Suro is right, I have sold my soul to heavy metal :P. But I will be back every two weeks to update stuff, such as newsletters and collaborations. If you have questions about the project, please email me. Good luck and take care -- Imoeng 07:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E Java template

The {{E Java}} template is incorrectly linking to the disambiguation page for Kediri, rather than to the page for the city of Kediri. As a medium-experience editor, I have no clue how to fix this. Thanks!!! Kathy A. 23:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Done - invoice in the mail. ;-) (Go here: Template:E_Java) --Merbabu 00:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia

As many of you have noticed, the Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia page is getting extremely out of date. Before I spend any time bringing it up to date with the last months news from Indonesia and elsewhere, does anyone think this is worthwhile? I can do my best to keep it up to date with Indonesian news, but no way can I do all the other countries in SE Asia, and if not one else is doing this then we might as well call it Current_events/Indonesia. If this is turning into a bit of a dead end page I don't want to spend too long working on it. Thoughts? --Bwmodular 13:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

wow - a south east asian portal. thanks for introducing me to it. It seems to be largely a news source. I prefer the Indonesia portal. --Merbabu 13:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why news editors for that portal dissapear. I don't want to be news editor, either. Only news citer for WP:PID. — Indon (reply) — 13:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. I'll volunteer to be Indonesian News Editor for that portal page for the moment - let's see if we get any contributions for other countries if I keep it up to date for a while. On a technical note, can anyone work out why the layout is currently screwed up for that page. Compare the layout of today's entry [1] with that from Mid september [2]. Why is the sidebar relegated to top of the 16th November entry. I've compared the code with today's and there doesn't seem to be anything significantly different. Oh, and Merbabu, it's not really a SE ASian portal, it's part of the current events portal, so yes, specifically to do with news items. We link to it from the bottom of the News section on the Indonesia portal, and it is 'meant' to be the source for everything in the Indonesia News section, which is why I'm interested in it.--Bwmodular 13:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the format issue - was a minor problem with the entry for 16th November. --Bwmodular 16:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia is now more or less up to date, in that all news articles from any of the S.E. Asian portals are there (have also brought the pages for October and November up to date). So, if you add a News Item to the Indonesia portal, please add an entry in the News Portal, as we used to do. I'll try and keep the SEAsian News portal up to date for the next month or two. If it looks like no-one else is using / editing that page during that time, then maybe it's time for a re-think - I like the idea of a News archive, but if the one we're using is defunct, then maybe we should set up a specific Indonesia news archive where all the old news items go. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks. Oh, yes, I know the News sidebar is out of date, and a few other things need fixing. Feel free to jump in before I fix them myself :) --Bwmodular 14:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. If you see some news for other S.E.Asian countries that should be added and don't want to do this yourself, just drop a note on my talk page and I'll sort it out myself. Also, I'll add a quick note to the Indonesia Portal talk page and the Indonesia Portal News talk page.--Bwmodular 15:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)