Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia/Assessment

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[edit] Suggestion

In the assesment scale at 2.3 - I am about to add a number of other set of possible issues/subjects. Please feel free to edit if you have difference with this, thanks SatuSuro 04:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non Indonesia-related articles

To the assessment department, why the following list of articles are included in the project? I can't find any relation with Indonesia.

Thank you. — Indon (reply) — 09:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Look carefully in Indonesian History - sections about Dutch East Indies, they were characters involved.
Also van Mook also was the last Governor General as well as a writer about local history in the Yogyakarta area.
Bali Starling is like most of the natural history/environmental issues - animals that are found within the bounds of the country.
Hope that explains it, if you need further explanation, please ask.SatuSuro 10:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
First, sorry to add (':') character before the above talk, to clarify which were said by who.
In the project aim, it is said:

The Indonesia WikiProject is a group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to Indonesia.

Yes, history is important, but do you want to include all Dutch politicians before 1945? Because all of them are related to — what you said — Indonesia. How about all Portuguese people who lived when they maintained some part of Indonesia hundreds years ago? Should we include also Napoleon Bonaparte in the project, as he ruled Dutch East Indies? :-) I think we should limit ourself to the articles that are really have strong relationship with Indonesia. Otherwise this project will be to broad.
And to the Bali Starling article. It's a name of a bird, which is coincidently have Bali in it. Look at this article [1]. Would you want to include all those animals in the project? — Indon (reply) — 10:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to comment. I reckon it is true that Dutch East Indies is related to Indonesia. However, the Dutch East Indies related articles are not related strong enough with Indonesia. You know, like its just partially related, probably less than that. If there is a Dutch East Indies project, probably it could be included there. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


Our project generally considers any article related to Indonesia to be a valid topic.

I suggest you need to either (1) put up a vote as to whether other participants wish to limit the scope of articles - by defining this more carefully by omitting all items relative to Indonesia's history before 1945, otherwise you then have a whole process of having to decide what a really strong connection is. (2) Be Brave and put your citeria more clearly as Indonesia since 1945, and you'll have to ditch archaeology and history prior to 1945.You might need to talk to the people who have worked on the Indonesian History project about that. SatuSuro 12:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't make any extreme points. I've said that history is important and everybody will agree that Indonesian history, its archeological founds, etc., which are general Indonesian historical articles are important. But please, again please, think again if those individuals listed above have strong importance to Indonesia. — Indon (reply) — 12:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
OK somebody somehow at some point is going to have to arrive at what 'strong importance' means. SatuSuro 12:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the following might be of help, compared to the english version: -

H.J. van Mook Dari Wikipedia Indonesia, ensiklopedia bebas berbahasa Indonesia. Langsung ke: panduan arah, cari

Hubertus Johannes van Mook (Semarang, 30 Mei 1894 - L'Isle-sur-la-Sorgue, Perancis, 10 Mei 1965) adalah Gubernur-Jendral Hindia-Belanda yang terakhir dan menjabat setelah Jepang menguasai Hindia-Belanda. Van Mook adalah Gubernur-Jendral yang ke 68 dan menjabat dari tanggal 14 September 1944 sampai 1 November 1948 Meskipun Van Mook berpangkat sebagai Gubernur-Jendral, ia secara de facto setelah masa pendudukan Jepang bukan penguasa Hindia-Belanda lagi. Berbeda dengan pendahulunya, Tjarda van Starkenborgh Stachouwer, semasa Perang Dunia II Van Mook berada di Australia. [sunting] Lihat pula

  • Daftar Penguasa Hindia-Belanda

Didahului oleh: Tjarda van S. Stachouwer Gubernur-Jendral Hindia-Belanda 1942-1948 Digantikan oleh: tidak ada Diperoleh dari http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.J._van_Mook

Kategori: Kelahiran 1894 | Kematian 1965 | Gubernur-Jendral Hindia-Belanda

SatuSuro 12:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


So, do you mean all articles from Indonesian wikipedia should be listed in this projects????
Satu Suro, please use the indentation correctly to avoid confusion, okay? — Indon (reply) — 12:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Apologies, I thought I had the indentation. No I am offering an article from Indonesia wiki which you were suggesting was a Non Indonesia article. And no I am not suggesting that all article from Indonesian wikipedia should necessarily be listed in the project. It's just that the project has an aim, I have put up articles into the WP Indonesia assessment list, and you have objected to that. So either, remove the articles from the assessment you dont like - using the process which Imoeng has put up in the structure of the project and portal, or - maybe you should suggest how the project should clarify the criteria for inclusion or exclusion of items that are related to Indonesia, but which have some guidelines from somewhere.SatuSuro 12:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe a a way to approach it (a compromise between guess-n-giggle and mathematical modelling) would be to group the topic for yourself (ie, in your head). Ie bali starling would be Nature, Beel would be history, and Rinjani would be geography or mountains and ask how they compare to other figures you know of in that group. Ie, starling would have to be below orang hutan but arguably not low because of its endangered status and significance to Bali, Beel would have to be below Sukarno (highest?) and SBY (high) and lower than Nasution (mid). Ie, consider each article in it the broader context of its type group. Remember, we should be using importance to prioritise works - in conjucntion with their quality. Also, look at the various lists of articles that have been created - that is also a good guide. It would be nice to get a fairly even distribution. --Merbabu 15:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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