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Document the Categories structure. - Done see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Category structure Create a uniform ice hockey player article format. - Done see: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Player_pages_format Created templates that can be inserted that will identify missing information. Create a uniform ice hockey team article format. Create a uniform ice hockey league article format. Create a uniform ice hockey Trophies and Awards article format. Fix Professional ice hockey world championships

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Contents 1 Template for your user pages 2 American Hockey League seasons 2.1 First article complete 3 Edit Conflict at International Hockey Hall of Fame 4 Edit conflict at 1966-67 NHL season 5 Super Series, Soviet clubs vs. NHL 6 NHLPA image problem 7 Active Users 8 AHL Awards 9 List of NHL Coaches 10 Peer Review for Calgary Hitmen 11 2000 NHL Entry Draft 12 Hersheypark Arena 13 Category 14 The General Manager's pages 15 Mike Keenan

[edit] Template for your user pages

Hey, I just made this. Feel free to edit it if you guys think it needs changes.

This user is a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey, a WikiProject which aims to develop and expand Wikipedia's coverage of the sport of Ice Hockey. Please feel free to join us.

Sportskido8 08:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American Hockey League seasons

I have started the ball rolling on the List of AHL seasons article. Hopefully as a project we can fill in all those red links soon enough.

I have made a stub for the 2006-07 AHL season article with the standings on it.

I am working on a template at User:Flibirigit/AHL season template to be used to all AHL season articles. Please provide comments here on its talk page.

Your help is greatly appreciated. Flibirigit 13:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First article complete

The 2005-06 AHL season article is complete. Anyone want to help with the first 69 seasons? Flibirigit 11:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

And so it begins, thus, I started at the beginning: 1936-37 AHL season. Resolute 16:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

2004-05 AHL season article created, but there are some blanks (goalie leaders, playoff bracket, etc.) which need filled in.Skudrafan1 19:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys! Flibirigit 20

32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I've found that when doing the standings tables, adding the NHL affiliates tends to unbalance the chart if the width of the team column is left at 30%. 35% seems to work well, except for the 2006-07 AHL season, where the Oilers three dozen affiliation agreements unbalances the column for Wilkes-Barrie/Scranton. Resolute 06:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I will be interested to see if the Edmonton Oilers will ever resurrect their dormant Edmonton Road Runners farm team franchise. Flibirigit 19:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

They certantly will. The Oilers really dropped the ball on their affiliates this past offseason as they were too busy securing their Western Hockey League team. Having three or four players per team spread across five teams is a developmental disaster that I would think they will correct fairly soon. Resolute 17:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Conflict at International Hockey Hall of Fame

Me and User:HockeyHistorian have been butting heads at the International Hockey Hall of Fame page because he keeps adding a company infobox with a slogan that I did a google search for but couldn't find anywhere on the website. It is not a company, its a Hall of Fame and museum and every time I remove it, he accuses me of vandalism. I figured neither of us will back down so I might as well get some outside opinions on this. Go here for talk: User talk:HockeyHistorian. -- Scorpion0422 23:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Update: Never mind, it's been solved.

Heh, an indef block has a way of solving such problems, doesnt it? Resolute 06:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I never asked for him to be blocked. I just wanted an outside party to solve the conflict. I had no idea he was a sock puppet. -- Scorpion0422 06:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Golly Gee... caught ourselves a sock puppet. DMighton 07:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I was the one that blocked him. He has had many incarnations. He is mostly involved in Vaughan, Ontario political topics, but does dabble in hockey related topics, usually related to the IHHOF. Some of you may remember him as JohnnyCanuck from a number of disputes. See Wikipedia:Long term abuse/VaughanWatch for some of the abuse history. -- JamesTeterenko 20:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I had strong suspicions that "Hockey Historian" was a sockpuppet of Johnny Canuck's (just a comparison of the edit histories at the time were informative), but even were I an admin, I expect that getting all administrative over disputes in which you're a party is a clear conflict of interest ... RGTraynor 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit conflict at 1966-67 NHL season

And in the butting heads column ... we've all seen the works of the indefatigable Corey Bryant on the various NHL season articles. Most of his edits aren't objectionable, if a bit heavy on the sportswriterese, but I peeked in on the 1966-67 NHL season article, and found heavy edits that are not only unencyclopedic (who gives a rat's ass about the likes of Matt Ravlich breaking a leg?) but word-for-word copyvios from Trail of the Stanley Cup. It's verging on an edit war, and his recent post to my talk page ("I will use whatever source I feel is available to use as a reference! You are not to interfere! I attempt to give the reading public the best and most complete source in which to reference from. Do not interfere with my attempts to do so!") indicates how much credit he gives to WP:COPYVIO. I'd appreciate it if a few calmer heads took a peek and weighed in. RGTraynor 12:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• The only edit of his that would be noteworthy to me is Mikita was the first to win the Art Ross, Hart, and Lady Byng in the same year. Nothing else is worth it. Patken4 20:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

And the edit war continues, if people would like to take a peek ... RGTraynor 21:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Series, Soviet clubs vs. NHL

Someone started an article on the Super Series between the Soviet and NHL teams, but they didn't get far. Please help, especially with 1975-76 USSR Red Army ice hockey tour of North America, which involved the famous Red Army - Canadiens match-up. Thanks. Kevlar67 05:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NHLPA image problem

I'm having a problem with using NHLPA mugshots in hockey player articles because it seems that they are deemed "replaceable fair use". However if I understand correctly, the NHLPA freely distributes these images anyways. One example is the Derek Roy article which i had added an image to almost a year ago. I just got this warning on my talk page today that it breaks the first rule of fair use for which it "illustrates a topic where a free image could easily be used", which I have disputed. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the topic could enlighten me or handle it themselves. Thanks Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 15:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

A witchhunt is what it is. --Krm500 15:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

But the NHLPA doesn't distribute the pictures freely. The following is from their web site:

All materials published or otherwise accessible through the NHLPA Homepage (www.nhlpa.com), including, but not limited to, news articles, text, photographs, images, illustrations, audio clips, video clips, software and other materials (the "Content") are protected by copyright, and are owned or controlled by the National Hockey League Players' Association ("NHLPA"), and others who may own copyright or the party credited as the provider of the Content. All visitors shall abide by all additional copyright notices, information and restrictions contained in any Content accessed through this Homepage. This Homepage is protected by copyright as a collective work and/or compilation, pursuant to Canadian copyright laws, international conventions, and other copyright laws. Any reproduction, modification, publication, transmission, transfer, sale, distribution, performance, display or exploitation of any of the Content or of this Homepage, whether in whole or in part, without the express written permission of the NHLPA is prohibited. NHLPA, National Hockey League Players' Association, Be A Player and logos of the NHLPA and Be A Player are trademarks of the NHLPA. Notwithstanding the above, visitors may download or copy the Content and other downloadable items displayed on this Homepage for personal use only, provided that visitors maintain all copyright and other notices contained in such Content.

Although I am not a member, I wouldn't call WikiProject Fair use a witch hunt. It is important that content on Wikipedia follow the copyrights policy. Yes, it is harder to get high quality free pictures than it is to find copyrighted ones. But it also isn't completely impossible, especially for active players. Just take a camera to a game. If your seats aren't that great, you can always get some decent pictures in a pre-game skate if you move up close. If every member of this project just took a handful of pictures, we would have quite a few decent pictures that are not encumbered by a restrictive copyright. -- JamesTeterenko 16:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the NHLPA distributing their pictures freely doesn't mean we're legally able to do so ourselves, and historically the NHLPA has defended their copyrights to an outright anal degree. RGTraynor 18:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright fair enough, and no i don't agree that fair use is a witchhunt either... This is why for the most part I have stayed out of the whole image editing thing. Its just a little too legal for me. And unfortunately me personally would not be able to contribute to taking pictures at games, at least for the time being... because the closest NHL rink to me is Toronto and I would prefer not to have to go to a loanshark in order to see the game live. I'll just have to stick to good old TV hockey and the odd Kitchener Rangers game here and there. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 19:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want a picture of a specific NHL player and they are playing in Calgary, just let me know. I don't take my camera every game, but I do take it a couple of times a year. I was relatively happy with how they turned out at the Flames/Red Wings game. It is clear that they are not pro shots, but they are usable. (e.g. see Josh Langfeld, Brett Lebda, Nicklas Lidstrom) -- JamesTeterenko 06:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow you must have prime seats. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I happened to land a pair of tickets two rows behind the bench. It was neat to see a game from there, but I prefer being a bit farther back to see the whole game (the near corners were difficult to see). It was a great place to take pictures, but most of the good ones were actually in the warm-up. A few were during the game after a shift, such as the one of Robyn Regehr. So, we can go early almost anytime to get some pictures; especially if it is a later game or on the weekend. -- JamesTeterenko 05:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Active Users

I removed a lot of the users on the active list who are now either semi or non-active, seeing as how they fall away from Wikipedia they don't come back and say they are semi-active or non-active... So weeding out the sick and the dying (sorry bad joke), we have been bumped down from 42 active users to 21, one half. Although it seems we have more Super Genetically-Enhanced hockey editors on the list then we used to. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AHL Awards

I have looked over the American Hockey League awards. They are quite a mess.

• Some articles do list all the winners of the award.
• One article is in the opposite chronological order (blame myself).
• More importantly, thirteen (13) articles are missing! See here!

Sources

• AHL Hall of Fame
• hockeydb.com

I am currently doing articles for List of AHL seasons. Could any help cleanup the awards articles? THANKS ! Flibirigit 08:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• I did articles on a bunch of them. There are now only three left without articles. Patken4 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of NHL Coaches

I've officialy finished cleaning up the list of NHL coaches article, and it's looking pretty swell, why don't you go check it out youself?Griffin Murphy 23:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you really have to get rid of the links to the lists of individual teams' coaches? I do question if all that information is really needed, though. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 23:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Nah, I just finished off the stats and junk, but guess what?, I also reformatted Tracy Pratt!Griffin Murphy 23:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I like it, though I agree that the each team's list belongs there. I reinserted that into the chart you made. The new list does help you tell at a glance how long each coach has been around. Good job! Resolute 00:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I was thinking it would take too long so I didn't bother. That way is way better though.Griffin Murphy 14:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review for Calgary Hitmen

I've added a request for a peer review for the Calgary Hitmen article in hopes of raising it to GA or FA status. Any suggestions anyone has are appreciated here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Calgary Hitmen. Thanks. Resolute 00:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2000 NHL Entry Draft

I don't know where else to put this: rounds 2 to 9 of the 2000 NHL Entry Draft are currently a barely wikified textdump. They probably need to be edited in the same way as round 1. Aecis ^{Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984.} 11:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hersheypark Arena

Could somebody please clean up Hersheypark Arena. It is a candidate for speedy deletion for being written like an advertisement. Thanks~ Flibirigit 11:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried to clean it up to make it read less like a marketing campaign. Make any changes you feel are necessary. Patken4 21:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I've worked it over again. I think it needs a photo now. Flibirigit 14:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category

I started a category today Category:National Hockey League players who died during their careers, because I thought it was a fairly notable topic, and I've already compiled 17 names already into the category. I think I have gotten most of the obvious ones, and even some of the more older ones such as Joe Hall, Howie Morenz or Babe Siebert. However I was just working off the top of my head with these, so any help on this topic would be greatly appreciated. There also were others who do not have their own article such as Jonathan Delisle, B.J. Young (one gamer), Jeff Batters, Don Ashby and Scott Garland that I can't add until they have one. As well I'm kind of split whether a player such as Barry Ashbee should be included in the category, because he died of leukemia three years after he retired, however he retired young because of an eye injury and he was an assistant coach afterwards too. Also do you think it would do better as a list as opposed to a category? Any input you have on this whole topic in general would be greatly appreciated. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 17:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I just added John Kordic. DMighton 04:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Roman Lyashenko added. Skudrafan1 17:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC) ... B.J. Young page created and added. Skudrafan1 21:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Mm, it's potentially fuzzy in general, the Ashbee bit being indicative -- as you say, he died a few years after he retired and from a cause wholly unrelated to his retirement. RGTraynor 21:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

John Kordic, Lyashenko, forgot about those two, thanks guys. As well I just remembered another one, Red Garrett was an NHLer who played 23 games in the 40's, and was traded to the Rangers for Babe Pratt (his most notable moment I guess), and he was killed in WWII. He kept on playing until he enlisted and even played for the Toronto Navy in 1943-44 before being killed in November, 1944. I would think a player like that could also be considered acceptable in this category as well. Oh and Wayne Maki who was invovled with Ted Green in that ugly stick-swinging accident in 1969, died after retiring because of brain cancer in 1974 (he retired December 14/72) Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this one had been bugging me for awhile because I couldn't remember it. Former Nordiques player Stephane Morin, added him. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually a more apt case than Barry Ashbee is Bryan Fogarty, he died only one year after retiring, but the category is what it is. Wow three players from that 1991-92 Nordiques team were dead within 10 years, Fogarty, Morin, and John Kordic. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 20:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The General Manager's pages

I would just like to draw the attention of this group to the article on Dave Nonis, the GM of the Canucks. As you will notice, there is a large chart there. This has begun to create a conflict between me and the user who posted it. What really irks me about it is the short summary. I feel it has a biased, non-encyclopediac feel to it, and have tried to get it removed. So, I am asking the other participants of this project for their input. If you all feel it is worthwile, I'll shut up and leave it. If not, then an alternative should be done. Just feel that there should be a consensus amongst Wikipedians. Kaiser matias 10:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I've inputted my two cents and removed the table myself. The summary section alone is a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:OR and WP:NOT a sopabox; listing each and every transaction a GM has done would also fall into a collection of indiscriminate information, where WP:NOT would also apply. The table's unencyclopedic and doesn't belong here at all. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 10:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly what I had said when I removed it the first time. Evidently, some people don't understand the policies of Wikipedia. Kaiser matias 19:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

If you noticed what I said, I actually wrote that while I think the idea of having a page about people who hate Keenan, as I certainly do, it would not work for Wikipedia. It isn't a place to have opinions, which is why I shot down the Keenan page idea. Kaiser matias 00:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

A table is created to track a general managers moves, and you guys get all bent out of shape about it. Then I come here and see a guy wants to create a hate page on a nother person "mike keenan" and it gets the comment of "I would love to see such an article but..." . Wow. Here is a pot calling the kettle black if I ever saw one. --Bangabalunga 23:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Not really, no, since you are comparing apples and oranges. Afterall, nobody is suggesting of writting an entire (and very lengthy) section on Keenan's article, but looking at a separate article for it. Resolute 00:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Keenan

Hey I was just running through some articles, and I was wondering if anybody wanted to start an article List of people who hate Mike Keenan. It is a fairly notable topic and will have plenty of subject matter. Anybody? Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 21:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

While I would love to see such an article, and know it would be very in depth, I can't see it happening. It is a little subjective, and would be biased against Keenan, even if he does deserve it. Kaiser matias 21:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't imagine how an article with that title would conform with the policy on neutral point of view. Can you think of another example, in another field that has an article in Wikipedia? -- JamesTeterenko 23:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Major WP:POV concerns with that one. I dont think you could adequately define "hate" well enough for such an article to fly. I would also question the necessity of it. It borders on fancruft, imo. Resolute 00:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way I wasn't being very serious, a little tongue-in-cheek. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, except for some Rangers fans, I think you would have a lot of support for creating it. He has managed to screw over the Canucks, Panthers, Blues, and Blackhawks, among others. Kaiser matias 00:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah I completely agree with you, Brett Hull, Todd Bergen, Roberto Luongo, I could go on all day. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget Kristian Huselius! --Krm500 09:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)