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[edit] Units of Measure
Why are you using mi in the template? I have never seen distances written this way. The MOS also gives: "The reader should see a space between the value and the unit symbol, for example "25 kg" not "25kg". Use for the space (25 kg) to ensure that it does not break lines." as a guideline. Rmhermen 18:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. I made the changes you pointed out. I got rid of the subscript and put the space between the unit of measurement and the measurement itself. As for miles, I am using the abbreviation "mi" to distinguish it from "m", or meters. Thanks for pointing this out to us.VegitaU 19:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I wasn't clearer. I was refering to the subscripting, not the use of mi as an abbreviation which I think is ok. It may not even be necessary to abbreviate it - there is plenty of room on those lines for a spelled out "miles". Rmhermen 20:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template Values
Hello. I had recently added a short hiking trail (Alum Cave Bluff Trail) in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park to Wikipedia, not knowing that your project here was underway. I have added a template to the page, but for some reason the template is displaying that the elevation change, high point, and low point are all unknown, when I have the figures for them in place. Can you explain why this is happening? I am pretty new to Wikipedia, but I think I'm doing it correctly. Also, could you tell me how to create a map to display in the template, or is that not necessary for a trail so short? I appreciate you help. Blinutne 19:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sure thing. The reason the values weren't coming up was due to a difference in the Variable names (e.g. ElevChange) and what appears in the template (e.g. Elevation Change). All the values are available on the Project Main Page. Basically, to put a specific Elevation Change in:
|ElevChange=2,700 [[Foot (unit of length)|ft]]
needs to be typed for the proper display on the template.
|HighPoint= and |LowPoint=
are the Variable names for those values. As for creating a map, that's up to you. If you have a non-copywrited map or one you have personally created, it would be an excellent feature to display, but it's not overly important as long as the trailhead starting and ending points are there. Thanks for your addition, by the way. If you want, you can add your name to the Contributors list on the Project page. Also, I will add the Alum Cave Bluff Trail to the list of project pages. Thank you again!
VegitaU 21:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)- Heh, I see. Well thank you for clarifying those points and adding the trailhead into the template, it fits in much better there. There are a few more trails that I am quite familiar with in the area, and I will add what I can, but I don't have photos of any other hiking trails, so they may be somewhat lacking. Again, though, thanks for your help. Blinutne 11:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Elevation Change
Can we clarify that the elevation change is net or total? For most hikers the total gain is the most important number, rather than the net gain between the starting and ending points. Also, in some instances there is a difference depending on the direction traveled. These pertain more to short dayhiking trails than long distance trails, so might be acoomodated best with a separate template. In ancy case, good project. Cheers, -Will Beback 22:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
- Good point. I've tried to put total elevation change figures wherever possible, but some trail sites don't specify what kind they are using. For example, the elevation change for the Appalachian Trail is 90 miles and obviously the total elevation change, but the change for the Skyline to the Sea Trail is 2,600 feet; the net change between the highest and lowest points because the trail doesn't have any major rises or falls between trailheads... the trail is primarily sloped in one direction. I've also ignored positive or negative figures because, as you said, it's different depending on what direction you take. I don't distinguish between elevation gain and elevation loss, instead use elevation change. I would like to hear any other ideas on this or what anyone feels we could do to improve this. Thanks for bringing this up.VegitaU 01:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Another point related to elevation change: the trail description lists the average slope as 18% -- but if you divide the length by the elevation change you get less than 10%. So either the listed number is wrong, or there is in fact a lot of up and down (which I doubt) or there is something else going on that I can't think of. -- Ken
[edit] New category
I just finished a series of the five hiking trails that lead to the summit of Mount Le Conte in Tennessee. Because of this I have created a new category for them to be placed in and would like to know if it should be added to the project page. There aren't anymore pages to go in it, but all of the trails do have the template on them. Blinutne 04:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, please go ahead and add it if you like.VegitaU 04:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shortcut
In addition to thanking whoever it was who decided to use my (slightly-out-of-focus) picture of an AT blaze in the userbox, I'm letting everyone know I just created a shortcut for the project page: WP:TRAILS. Daniel Case 06:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Grand Canyon trails
Hello! I'd like to contribute more to the hiking project, and since I hike the Grand Canyon, that is where I'd like to start. I've already added a few, including Hermit Trail and Tonto Trail. I am lacking good citations (I've made a few), but I am reviewing my accumulated research materials (books, trail guides, etc.) to beef them up. I'd certainly like a critique of what's there and am willing to take any suggestions to provide some really good, comprehensive articles about a place I love! Notary137 09:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- In addition to the above, I'd like to list Grand Canyon trails in its own article, List of trails in Grand Canyon National Park. See my discussion topic in Talk:Grand Canyon National Park. I think it is a good idea since there are 25 separate trails within the park, and it will help manage links between them and provide information on the trail system in general. I hope to create all the trail articles necessary (with as few stubs as possible) by October 7th. Notary137 19:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I have added the list article as stated above. Notary137 06:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have created a common template for trails in the Grand Canyon at Template:Grand Canyon trails. I'm still working towards creating all the articles, some will be stubs. Notary137 04:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Map and image?
Can we see if it would be possible in the template to have space for both a standard picture and a map? (see {{Infobox city}} and {{Infobox Bridge}}, for example). I would do it myself if I were surer with template syntax. Daniel Case 04:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Active Wikiproject?
I noticed that at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Sports this project is noted as inactive. This will not effect what I'm working on, but is that the case? Notary137 05:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 14:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
