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Contents 1 Loyalty to Draco? 1.1 Workshop 1.2 Workshop discussion 2 Posible Addition to the Navigation box

[edit] Loyalty to Draco?

I see in the color-coded "affiliation/loyalty" section that Draco Malfoy gets his own color scheme (black text with green background). I guess this is OK with me - what with Crabbe and Goyle and Pansy all the time sniffing around his backside. But the only other Individual to get such distinction honors is Voldemort.

I am wondering, if Draco gets a section due to his 3 constant companions, shouldn't Harry get his own loyalty/affiliation and color scheme too? I mean he is THE main character, and is growing up with his own (sometimes erratic) following, with Ron and Hermione and Ginny and Fred and George and pretty much all the Weasleys (sans Percy) backing him up without question, not to mention nervous Neville, the creepy Creevy boys, and even suspicious Seamus seems to be coming around to Harry's side (albeit hesitantly). It is pretty clear that in Book 7, Harry will be the key challenger to Voldemort, and will have any number of "loyal" supporters backing up his cause. I think if Draco is allowed an "official entourage", then so should Harry, simply because Harry is more "important" in the overall scheme, and has "more" such supporters. On the other hand, Draco himself shows considerable (if perhaps "forced" and perhaps "failed") "loyalty" to Voldemort. Of course my prediction is that Malfoy and Potter will unite in the end to defeat Voldemort, giving the "leatherpants" fanatics an early Christmas present, but that's a subject for another day.

I am also concerned about the distinction between loyalty/affiliation to Voldemort, versus being affiliated with the Death Eaters. I just don't see a very strong distinction there.

I think the Loyalty and Allegiance sections need to be better combined and coordinated. I would propose affiliating and grouping the characters with something like:

• Voldemort / Death Eaters / Draco Malfoy
• Ministry of Magic / Inquisitorial Squad
• Order of Phoenix / Dumbledore's Army / Harry Potter
• Hogwarts
• None / Unknown / Uncertain

Of course this is not necessarily perfect, with characters all the time apparently switching sides, but this is meant to serve more as a discussion starter for the experts. ----T-dot 14:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I made a (probably low-visibility) proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Harry Potter about bringing the colour scheme down to just three:

1. People with "Order of the Phoenix" as their allegiance
2. People with "Lord Voldemort" or "Death Eaters" as their allegiance
3. Everyone else, regardless of allegiance.

This could possibly be tweaked to include, for example, Voldemort himself in #2, and maybe Hogwarts teachers in #1. (confirming unsigned comment was by me. I mark the previous as unsigned, then forget to sign it myself. Duh) --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hehe :) sorry but it made me chuckle. Death Eater Dan (Muahaha) 17:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, rather than working theoretically, let's actually work with the content that's in the Templates page. To merge T-dot's proposed scheme with mine, I'm going to create a new heading "workshop", where we can just modify it at will. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Workshop

Colours mentioned first have the highest priority. In other words, people who have allegiance (as noted in their infoboxes) to both the Order of the Phoenix and Hogwarts would have the colours of the Order of the Phoenix. For complex cases like Snape, who is marked as Unknown, we should give him either the "Unknown" colour scheme or the Death Eaters scheme (since the Death Eaters colour has priority over the Order of the Phoenix). These colour schemes would also apply to a character whose allegiance is presumed, sympathiser, or affiliate. Note that priority isn't fixed, it can be changed according to complex cases. However, listing it like this just means that we are more consistent.

bgcolor	fgcolor	(example)	Allegiance
Black	White	Sample	Death Eaters, Lord Voldemort.
Gold	Black	Sample	Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore's Army.
Red	Black	Sample	Ministry of Magic, Inquisitorial Squad.
Pink	Black	Sample	Hogwarts, unknown affliation, no affiliation, all other affiliations.

Just for reference, here is the latest updated prototype being developed in a "sandbox" elsewhere. --T-dot 09:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

bgcolor	fgcolor	(example)	Allegiance
Brown	Gold	.Hogwarts.	Hogwarts Students and Staff not particularly loyal elsewhere.
Gold	Black	.The Good Side.	Dumbledore's Army, Order of the Phoenix.
Black	White	.The Dark Side.	Voldemort, Death Eaters.
Red	Black	.The Ministry.	Ministry of Magic, Inquisitorial Squad.
Tan	Black	.Other Unknown.	unknown, double agents, and other affliations.

And yet another proposal (by SmokeyJoe) is to only use one infobox colour. I'd like to use yellow background with black letters, so for completeness, I'll list it here. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

bgcolor	fgcolor	(example)	Allegiance
Gold	Black	Sample	All infoboxes

[edit] Workshop discussion

I have a hard time with the "Inquisitorial Squad" colour scheme. On one hand, it was founded by a member of the Ministry of Magic, arguably a complex organisation that has good intentions but sometimes engages in questionable practices. On the other hand, most of the people in the Squad are "not-good" people. I'm really not sure, but it probably helps to point out that those in the Inquisitorial Squad, while not exactly good, certainly aren't as "evil" as the Death Eaters, hence, my concurrance with T-dot's proposal that the Squad has the same colour scheme as the Ministry of Magic. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I see your difficulty mulling over the Inquisitorial Squad, however I can't think of an alternative, so I'm happy to go with your reasoning. Death Eater Dan (Muahaha) 18:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I like T-dots colors, Inquisitorial Squad probably should be left with the Ministry colors, but I think the order of the boxes from top to bottom in order of which comes first should be just like DeathPhoenix's- with Hogwarts second to last and above unknown. Just my thoughts. Emily ^{(Funtrivia Freak)} 20:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The order of the color boxes (top to bottom) in the segment above is totally arbitrary and completely meaningless. These are simply a group of proposed color tile palettes, to be used to color-code highlight the various HP character's and organizations' names, in their respective infobox templates, on their respective Wiki-pages. That Hogwarts is shown "above" the others is a leftover artifact of the earlier list, that also included the four houses with their own colors shown under Hogwarts, followed by the external "loyalties". The individual Hogwarts House color codes were eventually abandoned, and Hogwarts may get dropped too as a loyalty affiliation, if it is decided the other categories are sufficient --T-dot 01:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know the order didn't mean anything- but at some point, I was saying, I would like order to matter, and in my opinion that would be what the order should be. That's all I was saying. I saw the other page- I know what's going on! Emily ^{(Funtrivia Freak)} 02:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I think one colour for infobox is a great idea. It makes it consistent with the rest of the book, reduces the cruftiness factor of these articles, and eliminates original research on what side they're on. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Posible Addition to the Navigation box

I think it would be good to add "Harry Potter Events" in the Navigation box, where we could add article such as Snape's Worst Memory, Battle of the Departement of Mysteries, and Battle of Hogwarts

I know 2 of them don't exist yet but I'm planing to start them soon.

Halyks June 16 2006 8:55pm EST