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[edit] Henry Porter and Francis Kirkman
I'm glad to see someone is taking a strategic look at this. I'm not an expert on Elizabethan period but know a lot about some aspects of it from other research. Can I ask if you would consider adding my articles on Henry Porter, directly relevant, and Francis Kirkman, indirectly relevant. GBH 09:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- We'd be pleased to have you knowledge and expertise! I've added Porter to the canon of articles listed on the article assessment page. I'm not quite sure about Kirkman, he is important to the era even though he lived after it but I'm trying to keep the number of articles covered by this project pretty low. Kirkman falls into the same category as later Shakespeare scholars and critics, so I may eventually add him as a part of that contingent. If anyone else has an opinion on this, please let it be known. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'd favor adding Kirkman. I think he's different from later scholars and critics; he's more of a source, and for better or worse the fount from which a lot of our information or pseudo-information about the Elizabethan period comes. It's because of him that a lot of old plays were published that otherwise would have been lost, and his play catalogues are a source for a number of play author attributions --- some accepted, some denied --- that scholars always have to grapple with. In any case, I think he's somebody a project like this needs to address. Eupolis 17:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Project name
There is a major issue with the titling of this project! It should be renamed 'Early Modern theatre or Early Modern drama'. The Elizabethan period ends when Elizabeth I dies, then we have the Jacobean period and then the Caroline period.
- The problem with breaking up the periods into reigns is that a number of playwrights, Shakespeare included fall under two reigns. Plus, the conclusion of the "Caroline" period ends neatly with the closure of the theatres and an obvious drop in theatrical productions. With calling it Early Modern Theatre or Drama, that does not limit it only to England, which this project is limited to. Simply, "Elizabethan theatre" is the best and easiest term to use. You might also note that Elizabethan theatre is defined to include Jacobean and Caroline theatre. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 14:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I really have to dispute this. Elizabethan theatre is not simply the easiest and best term to use when describing theatre in England from 1558-1642 - it is factually incorrect. The term 'early modern drama' describes exactly theatre in that period. If you want to be more specific then the proper term would be 'early modern drama in English' or early modern English drama', or 'drama during the English reformation' or even 'early modern theatre in London'. Elizabethan drama can also be applied in terms of genre e.g. with this statement: "certain plays during the Elizabethan period, such as Midsummer Night's Dream, developed the idea of the cult of the Virgin Queen". The same is true of Jacobean drama e.g. "during James I's reign Jacobean tragedy grew in popularity, typified by such plays as the Duchess of Malfi and The White Devil, re-visiting Senecan dramatic themes such as power, lust and greed with strong and bloody violence". Elizabethan theatre cannot be defined as including Jacobean and Caroline theatre; there are distinct boundaries between each period. It is arbitrary to define theatre during the early modern period according to the rules of monarchs, which is why the term 'early modern drama' is used to describe theatre during the Reformation in England. This might help: http://www.shakespeare.bham.ac.uk/research/arden.htm
How about just "Tudor/Stuart Drama?"
[edit] English Renaissance theatre
Elizabethan theatre now redirects to the above page which is a more accurate term. I don't think the title of this WikiProject needs to change, but I just thought I'd mention it. The Singing Badger 16:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- I had not actually noticed the above discussion when I made the change and posted this comment, sorry. Anyway, I think it's OK for this WikiProject to be called 'Elizabethan theatre' since that is the commonest-used term, even though I thought the article proper needed a more accurate name. The Singing Badger 17:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
This is much better now. Early modern drama is the de facto term for drama during this period, and as such is used by English departments in British universities. It's also slightly biased to define the breaks between developments in narrative literature in terms of political changes (e.g. elizabethan to jacobean); however, the images of the monarchs during this period did have a major effect on the literary output so it is appropriate to define literary periods by monarch. But nowadays, one terms the period breaks by names that are more indicative of linguistic changes, e.g. Old English literature and Middle English literature coming in the 'early period', and modern english beginning in the 'early modern' period.
[edit] Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0
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[edit] Conventions of Elizabethan Theatre
Is there a particular page or section in an article that talks about the conventions of Elizabethan Theatre (no fourth wall, un-realistic, declamatory acting etc.)? If there is it should probably be made easier to find, if not I would be happy to help make one. Tangerine 03 08:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] AFD: Shakespeare's Influence on the English Language
Up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shakespeare's Influence on the English Language. Should this article, which appears to be an uploaded student paper, be deleted, or can it be salvaged? --Dhartung | Talk 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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