Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dragonlance

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Contents 1 Uploading Some Images 2 Looking for a novel 3 Limit on New Articles 4 Portal Questions 5 Links 6 WikiProject Dragonlance Userbox 6.1 Rewording 7 Astinus Image 8 Main Storyline 9 Welcome Template 10 Standards for Writing 11 Conundrum 12 Fiery mountain/meteorite 13 Defined Task List 14 Project watchlist 15 Project Directory 16 Proposed News Template 17 Related Wikiprojects 18 Banner for WikiProject

[edit] Uploading Some Images

Hey all! Wow, looks like I'm starting the talk page :). Anyhow, could someone please upload images of the Legends Trilogy covers? I'm planning on creating articles for them and really want the images for them. Thanks! DoomsDay349 22:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

This image: Image:DL CaramonAndCrysania.jpg I think is a crop of a cover in that trilogy. ddcc 15:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of cover images, we should probably figure out which covers (for multi-edition books) we want to use, to be standard across the project. I beleive that the standard for the Books project is to use the first edition cover, if available. I'd uploaded those covers for the Chronicles trilogy a while ago, but unfortunately they've since been overwritten by the latest cover image instead. So which would be better, originals or latest? My vote is originals, everytime. --Maelwys 15:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

First write the article, then upload the images. Because of our Fair use criteria, we can upload images if they are used in an article. Uploading them before the article is written may make bots tag is at orphaned, and add an image to a stub may be considered decorative. -- ReyBrujo 17:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright then, I'll get to work on Time of the Twins soon as I look over it to remember the plot. DoomsDay349 20:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Time of the Twins has been created, so feel free to add that image. DoomsDay349 00:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can I also get a cover of War of the Twins? Article has been created. DoomsDay349 17:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Here. Ddcc 22:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for a novel

Hey all, I'm trying to find a novel so I can finally get to writing the Dhamon Grimwulf article. I've finished Dragons of a New Age and Dhamon Saga trilogies, working on War of Souls now. I need to know if any of you know wherein

Onysablet is slain by Dhamon and he follows.

I've read this on the Nexus, but I can't find the book where it happens. Anyone know? DoomsDay349 21:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the spoiler ;-) I believe Dhamon stars Lake of Death, but I do not know what the book is about (I kind of dislike Dhamon and anything surrounding him in two books of distance). -- ReyBrujo 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I added the spoiler tag, sorry about that. Does anyone know the book in which Sable dies though? DoomsDay349 20:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I looked up Lake of Death on the Nexus product info. Looks to me that that one probably contains those events. I'll make it my top priority after finishing War of Souls and Dark Disciple (maybe a month). Hope I can remember the info on Dhamon after that though. DoomsDay349 20:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Limit on New Articles

Should we start erasing new articles after, say, maybe five are up there? For instance, there are currently five and Ackal Ergot is last. If a new one should come up, should we erase Ackal Ergot? DoomsDay349 21:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe we should not limit the amount, but in time. Let's consider an article "new" for a month. -- ReyBrujo 17:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I'll keep track of it. Perhaps we should consider signing your name indicating you are the author of the article on the day it is made, so we can keep track of the times? DoomsDay349 20:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Questions

To post my third topic in about five minutes, can someone either show me how to change the Dragonlance Portal question to weekly or help me out in doing it? I could come up with about 40 more questions, it wouldn't be too hard. Weekly would be much nicer. DoomsDay349 21:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I went through and fixed a few of the links in the reference areas. For some reason | was in all of them and was warping the link so it wouldn't work. Not sure what it is for, but they are working now.--Kranar drogin 10:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't aware you didn't need the | in there. My bad, I'll stop. DoomsDay349 20:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Dragonlance Userbox

Hey all, I've created a userbox for us to put proclaiming us to the world as members of WikiProject Dragonlance. The completed thing is posted on my sandbox as well as on my userpage, and I'll post the code and finished result here. Please, feel free to fix it up if you feel the colors don't work or whatever. This is pretty much a prototype for now.

The code: {{Userbox |border-c = #000 |border-s = 1 |id-c = #8B0000 |id-s = 12 |id-fc = #000 |info-c = #006400 |info-s = 8 |info-fc = #000 |id = DL |info = This user is a member of [[WP:WPDL|WikiProject Dragonlance]]. }}

and the result:

Again, I encourage you to work out the kinks on it. DoomsDay349 02:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hooray! But...so many colors! o_o It's very hard to read. --Masamage 03:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

That's true. The blue link is too dark to be seen on the dark green, and the red is so dark that it's barely possible to see the black DL. Change the colors a bit, and much better. Also, when you're done fixing it, you should host it at User:DoomsDay349/Template:WPDL. Then if we all agree on it, we can host it officially at this wikiproject page. ddcc 03:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

OK then, I removed the font color. Do you like it now? DoomsDay349 03:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's a version with colors based on the logo...

It's a little boring, but it's clean, and it's an idea. ^^ --Masamage 03:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I liked yours, but I think the green in the id section livens it up a bit. You like? DoomsDay349 03:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so then, how do I go about hosting it? Just put the code on the aforementioned page? DoomsDay349 16:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe so. ddcc 16:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

...With a green outline? :) I'm okay with whatever you guys pick. --Masamage 01:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

No offense, but I think the red and beige combo is a little...plain. Not that I'm insulting your contributions, you see. I think we'll go with the 3rd one (green and beige, red outline). DoomsDay349 02:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The dragon image is free, so we should have no problems using it in the box if you prefer it instead of the Dl wording. -- ReyBrujo 02:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Use the dragon image as a background for the box, maybe dim the dragon a bit, and have text in front! ddcc 02:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Ummm...ok then, the box is at User:DoomsDay349/Template:WPDL. You guys can totally do whatever you were just saying, but you totally lost me =P. DoomsDay349 02:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah so, is anyone gonna post this on their page? :)DoomsDay349 21:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

How about this? ddcc 15:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm good with that. I'll update the template page now then. DoomsDay349 20:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but fair use images can't be used in templates (see 9th Fair use criteria policy). -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It's cool. I thought about that but I'm not knowledgable about Fair Use. DoomsDay349 20:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

That is why we use that dragon in the WikiProject banner instead of the official DL one :-( -- ReyBrujo 20:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I see. Well then, we all agree on the current version? DoomsDay349 20:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I suppose so. ddcc 16:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm down. --Masamage 23:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright then, so then I'll put this on the project page to make it official. DoomsDay349 05:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I have to say, I'm not the biggest fan of the current userbox.., the red borders are a bit much. It's really not an aesthetically pleasing box.. sorry. The colours need to be a bit lighter and a bit more sublte. :S

Here's a little something I whipped up. - Moe 03:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I like that one. I'll agree with it, but we should wait for some more feedback before making it official. DoomsDay349 20:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. ddcc 01:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

OK then, we'll go with that. I updated it. DoomsDay349 02:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Randfan posted this on the main page, I've moved it here to be discussed first. Ddcc 03:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

or you can use this:

{{User Dragonlance WikiProject}}, (sorry it's in red...) it looks like this:

[edit] Rewording

Hmm... now, I know other WikiProject uses the "member" term, but I don't think it is good to discriminate between those who assist and those who actively edit Dragonlance articles. Maybe a rephrase like "This user collaborates with the WikiProject Dragonlance" or similar is neutral enough so that collaborators could use the infobox as well. What do you think? -- ReyBrujo 18:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe "This user participates in WikiProject DragonLance"? --Masamage 18:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Both are good, but I like Rey's better. I'll wait for a consensus before changing. DoomsDay349 20:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't like his 'the', but the rest of it is pretty fine. I just think "collaborates with" is a little weird, because it makes the WikiProject kind of sound like a sentient being. :) --Masamage 20:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...Perhaps change the "with" to "in", making it "This user collaborates in WikiProject Dragonlance". What do you think? DoomsDay349 20:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahem. Have we come up with anything? DoomsDay349 01:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey! That userbox really rocks! I think we should stick with that, and maybe improve its colour,if anyone wants to. I think its fine the way it is. Oh, and I agree with Rey too. Zachary crimsonwolf 13:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Astinus Image

Is it possible to scan the picture of Astinus located in Dragons of Spring Dawning (Chapter 5, page 54 in paperback edition)? I don't know about copyright or anything, but that might be a decent picture, except for the fact it's black and white...which might count against it, I dunno. DoomsDay349 20:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have that book, so I can't scan it, unless you have or Rey has a scanner. We could always try to find another picture of Astinus. ddcc 14:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there anything in Masters of Dragonlance art? DoomsDay349 20:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't remember anything about Astinus, and I already returned the book anyway. The Art of the Dragonlance Saga is coming soon though. ddcc 14:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Storyline

The Main Storyline section on the Dragonlance page is incomplete. What should we put there? The sum of info in the core novels? Or more, or less? What do you think? DoomsDay349 02:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, properly speaking, that is the main storyline, the origin. One solution could be creating no more than one paragraph per main trilogy (one paragraph for Chronicles, Legends, Summer Flame and War of Souls). The problem is creating that four-paragraph section. As you can imagine, everytime a new trilogy is launched, the section should be expanded, which I don't really like. Maybe focusing the article in the Fourth Age, creating the main storyline about Chronicles, Legends and Summer Flame, and then creating a Fifth Age section, as the original intention was finishing the saga at the end of Summer Flame. -- ReyBrujo 05:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a note one what the main storyline is. Most fans consider the Dragons of a New Age trilogy part of the main storyline. It seems you are just putting what MW and TH did as the main storyline though, which some fans contest is the main storyline, only what they write. Actively though, DoaNA is promoted as the main storyline and told to new readers to read this trilogy in order after Summer Flame. Just a suggestion. --Kranar drogin 10:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The main storyline and the origin are different though. I like the idea of one paragraph per trilogy (including Dragons of a New Age and possibly Dark Disciple). Begin with Chronicles and War of the Lance, then Legends and Raistlin's attempt at ascension, followed by Dragons of Summer Flame and Chaos War, after that Dragons of a New Age and the info about the Overlords, then War of Souls, and then possibly Dark Disciple and some of the more important Age of Mortals info. I agree with Kranar, Dragons of a New Age is definetly core, as it sets up the Overlords, who are totally essential to the story. We would have to consolidate the book list section into Main Storyline though, as it is essentially the same. DoomsDay349 20:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That is why I suggest keeping the main storyline only in the fourth age, and adding later the fifth age, to prevent misunderstandings. If we are adding the 5th age to the main storyline, then I would suggest one or two paragraphs per age (thus between 2 and 4 paragraphs), and not one per trilogy. -- ReyBrujo 21:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good, I will begin writing soon as I finish Dragons of a Vanished Moon. So basically, we will divide up like so:

==Main Storyline== ... ===Fourth Age=== ... ===Fifth Age=== ... I can't get it to properly seperate, but you get the idea. Correct? DoomsDay349 22:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome Template

I created a welcome template to be used for someone who appears interested in working in Dragonlance related articles. Just add {{User:DoomsDay349/Template:Dragonlance Welcome}} to their talk page. Feel free to make some changes, it's a very rough draft for now. DoomsDay349 20:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... but if the user is a regular user, that template would make no sense. I think it is better to have a separate welcome message, like {{WPSPAM-invite}}, one that you can use with novices and experienced editors. -- ReyBrujo 20:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright. I'll adjust it. DoomsDay349 20:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I've updated. How do you like it? DoomsDay349 21:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standards for Writing

I was looking over some other WikiProjects, and came across the Middle-earth WikiProject. There, they have a standards section. I like that idea and think we should draw up standards for ourselves. It would help alot in writing. Tell me what you think. DoomsDay349 21:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conundrum

I'm curious; does anyone have a copy of Conundrum? I tried to get one, but discovered it was out of print (yes, that is the paperback edition), and went online to find one. The best I can find is a $25 Mass Market Paperback from Amazon.com. I could buy this, but I'm trying to save my money and really don't want to spend so much right now. I have every other Age of Mortals book otherwise, though. But anyway, it would help immensely if anyone has Conundrum. I might try to find a copy at my library, but I doubt they have it. DoomsDay349 02:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I got a copy, but haven't read it yet. -- ReyBrujo 03:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Great! Once you read it, please fix up that article. Thanks! DoomsDay349 20:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fiery mountain/meteorite

The Cataclysm, as we all know, is described in the novels as a "fiery mountain" striking Istar. However, it is often assumed this is a meteorite. We must remember that within the context of the novels, it may well have been a flaming mountain, as it was cast by almighty beings. Has it ever been stated anywhere that it was, in fact, a meteorite? If not, we cannot use that term. I ask this because the Dragonlance page recently had the term "fiery mountain" changed to meteorite. Thanks. DoomsDay349 00:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defined Task List

Moe and I struck up a conversation about a supplement list to be used in conjunction with the current tasklist. This will give a clear and defined list of current tasks, but we can still use the other one. Anyway, here's the format I think we ought use. What we can do is add in info here, and then once we've got what we want filled in, we post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dragonlance/to do. So let's work.

• Collaboration:
• To Nominate at WP:FAC:
• To Improve to Featured standard: Goldmoon
• To Improve to Good Article standard: Riverwind, Sturm Brightblade
• To Make Meet Fiction Guidelines: Tanis Half-Elven, Laurana Kanan, Flint Fireforge
• To Expand: Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Silvanoshei, Mina
• To Clean up:Kith-Kanan, Speaker of the Sun.
• To Merge: None for now.
• To Destub: See Category:Dragonlance stubs - Some pages are using the {{stub}} tags, rather than the {{Dragonlace-stub}} tags.
• To Deorphan: None for now.
• To Create: Gerard uth Mondar, Alhana Starbreeze (Alhana is a redirect, try to make into a real article)
• Lists to complete: See Category:Dragonlance lists, as most lists are incomplete.
• Wanted Pics/Graphics: None for now.
• Wanted New Pics: None for now.
• Add infobox to all the articles on characters, see Category:Dragonlance characters

DoomsDay349 01:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been created, see the project page. DoomsDay349 15:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice!ddcc 02:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

 :) Thanks. DoomsDay349 16:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Why's it on a talk page? Shouldn't we move it to the main wikiproject namespace? ddcc 22:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I created it using the Star Trek tasklist as a guideline. It has it in the talk namespace, as do others. I assumed that was the norm. We can always move it. DoomsDay349 23:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I looked at some other WikiProjects. The WikiProject Wisconsin jas their's in the Wikipedia talk namespace, whereas the WikiProject Ohio has it in normal Wikipedia namespace. I'm not sure what the norm is, if there even is one. DoomsDay349 23:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

For Time of the Twins, the actual cover or the cover /wo any of the title and stuff, since I have the original artwork available?

The actual cover. DoomsDay349 02:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm gonna move the page to the main Wikipedia name space, that way we can discuss the task list there. DoomsDay349 02:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

See Image:Timeofthetwins.jpg. ddcc 17:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project watchlist

Wow! How did you guys make this? Was it done by hand, or is there some function that can include everything within a category? --Masamage 04:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

A special page named Special:Recentchangeslinked allows you to see the recent changes of a set of wikilinks. In example, Special:Recentchangeslinked/Dragon allows you to see the recent changes of any wikilink listed in the Dragon article. Thus, you create a page with all the wikilinks you want to check, and then use the Recentchangeslinked page on it to create a recent changes page, similar to a watchlist. -- ReyBrujo 17:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Alas, you need to do that manually, as far as I know. -- ReyBrujo 17:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Alas! Oh well, I can do that. :) Thanks for the good idea! --Masamage 01:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Although it was done by hand, but what you can do (what I did) was view source, copy links to notepad. Then use find and replace to add the * [[ at the front, but the back ]] needs to be manually done. ddcc 01:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I did. :D It actually didn't take too long. --Masamage 01:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

You can do it with a category apparently, but categories can only show 200 articles at the same time. -- ReyBrujo 01:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

• User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
• User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
• User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
• User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed News Template

Many other WikiProjects have a news templates, with weekly collaboration and such. I think we could really benefit from this, for if we had all seven (I believe there are seven members, correct me if I'm wrong) of us working on a single article, it would be better, fast. So, I propose we make on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dragonlance/News. It can include a weekly collaboration as well as any interesting news, such as the status of Riverwind in it's GA nomination. Any new article or article feautured at the DYK section could also be here. Any other news is also welcome. Tell me what you think. DoomsDay349 02:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. ddcc 15:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then, so we can get started making it. I propose this week's collaboration as Dragonlance Legends, which I'll post for now, then we can always change it. DoomsDay349 20:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Then again, I was thinking perhaps we should go for Dragons of Autumn Twilight. We can go with that and discuss. DoomsDay349 20:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

We can put it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dragonlance/Collaboration of the Week. DoomsDay349 20:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

We will also need Template:WPDLCN, short for WikiProject Dragonlance Collaboration Notice. DoomsDay349 20:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

My proposal for the COTW box:

The current WikiProject Dragonlance Collaboration of the Week is Dragons of Autumn Twilight The next candidate will be selected on: October 31. Last week's article was: none as of yet.

We'll have to fill in the rest. Like I said, we'll put it at the aforementioned template after we've got the fields filled in. I've put October 31st as the date for next as it's a week from today, but we can always move it up. DoomsDay349 20:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I might have said this, I'm a bit nervous about starting this, so we're waiting for ReyBrujo's input. He said sometime this weekend, so hopefull soon!  :). DoomsDay349 00:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

No need to wait for me every time, I am away from Dragonlance this month (I usually change what I edit during the month to prevent getting bored). The collaboration of the week is a good idea indeed, and most other WikiProject do have one. But I would be realistic: we are very few still, and so I would not expect a lot of improvement in a week. -- ReyBrujo 16:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month, perhaps? It's an idea...should the page be a subpage of the WikiProject or a normal page in the Wikipedia namespace? DoomsDay349 21:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey DoomsDay...is there a new collaboration of the month? I'm thinking Dragons of the Dwarven Depths. I did some work on it recently but it still needs a lil more. MetsFan76 05:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Related Wikiprojects

Hi. You may wish to add the following to the main page:

• WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons
• Wikiproject Forgotten Realms
• WikiProject Greyhawk
• WikiProject Role-playing games

--Robbstrd 22:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I could see adding those. Except maybe WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons should be more of a parent project? DoomsDay349 Happy Halloween! 22:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Could be. We can check how Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk are treated. -- ReyBrujo 03:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems to me that D&D should definitely be a parent project, since the Dragonlance series originated on tabletop. --Masamage 06:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It would be a good idea. Some "inter-project" support sort of a thing. Ddcc 15:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banner for WikiProject

What happened to the image in the banner? I can't find it's removal in the page history...it's like it never was. What's up with this! DoomsDay349 00:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused as to which banner you're talking about. Ddcc 02:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I meant the dragon picture. It wasn't appearing on my browser, I just minorly altered the pix and it was fine. Sorry :) DoomsDay349 16:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)