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Contents 1 Categorisation work 2 Template 3 A Cunning Plan 4 Episode List 5 Episode naming 6 Article sections 7 Infobox for Episodes 8 Sidebar 9 Prince Edmund page 10 Character Page structure 10.1 Character infobox 11 Blackadders 12 Nursie article formatted 13 George 14 Mrs. Miggins and King Richard IV 15 Season 3 episode articles done 16 A message from the founder 17 Season 1 Done 18 Article Importance (sp?) 19 Project Directory 20 CFD notice

[edit] Categorisation work

Hi. I've done some refactoring work on your Project's categories and templates today (along with several other WikiProjects). I'm confident you'll find that the new organisation a big improvement. For more information and a rationale please see what I've written at Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best_practices#Categorisation or drop me a line on my talk page.

If you're not yet assessing articles for Wikipedia 1.0 and using Mathbot, you might also find Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index of subjects and it's talk page very useful. --kingboyk 17:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Have a shufti at the template I just created! Feel free to mess around with it. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 06:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed the template to this (above), didn't really change much though, just the title wording

(The Bread 06:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] A Cunning Plan

This project is so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel. Happy to be part of it. If no one else is on it, I'll do the infobox for us tonight. --Bookgrrl 17:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode List

Hey guys, this is my first real contribution to wiki so just running some ideas before i start making articles and what not. I'm intererested in having a crack at the episode lists and am just wondering what sort of naming convention you guys think we should use. I was thinking a summary page, say "List of Blackadded Episodes by Season" and then individual pages fore ach episode using naming convention "Episode name (Blackadder)"--frendy 06:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Following from this, I got bored at work so knocked this together. What you guys think? Still need to know what page to copy it to.. --frendy 08:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent!! My only suggestions would be to (a) de-link the dates as that doesn't add anything to someone's understanding of Blackadder (see Wikipedia's link guidelines) and (b) make the background black and the text white (I did it on one, take a look). --Bookgrrl 11:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the black and white does look a lot better, and is more fitting with the theme... Pinkadder just doesn't sound as good does it. Good call on the date-linking, makes sense to link every single item on the page :) Will make those few changes and flesh out the rest of the page tonite. Still need to know what to call the article though. and what the episode article naming scheme will look like (see below). --frendy 00:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, just found this. Shall we just use this one since it's already up. Looks OK to me, perhaps just tweak it slightly. I'm not sure if I like having screenshots from episodes on their as I don't believe they actually help at all, a single random screenshot with no context doesn't really compliment the article much. Other than that though the page does fairly well follow the conventions that most other episode lists use. If we do use this we just need to create episode articles and start linking. --frendy 02:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggest moving future discussion of this to Talk:List_of_Blackadder_episodes --frendy 06:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode naming

something like: Blackadder_II_Episode_name_in_full

seems logical to me...

I bought the blackadder DVD set (all series) a few weeks back, I recently watched all episodes...

Ill go and make some articles after I've drunk a couple of liters of coffee, and maybe even slept...

The way I've got it in the episode list currently is "Episode_Name_(blackadder)" which is the way a lot of other series do it. Do we want to show the actual seasons as well? If so then theres the question of what to do with things like "blackadder back and forth"

I've got all the episodes at home as well as the blackadder book, so I'm happy to have a crack at a few articles as well. Do people want nominate which episodes thye want to do or something? Perhaps we could indicate in the comments section of the episoades list whos doing which one? --frendy 00:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Based on this we should just have the episode names (eg. "The Queen of Spain's Beard") and then if they are ambiguous have Episode Name (Blackadder) (eg. "Bells (Blackadder)"). Personally I think it makes more sense to have it consistent throughout, so just puut (blackadder) on the end of each title, but I'm assuming we want to follow the standard naming conventions? Also, for season 4 we should use the full titles (ie "Plan A: Captain Cook") or we could leave off the Plan X: part and just hace "Captain Cook", which would again lead to ambiguity. Thoughts? --frendy 02:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article sections

What do we think about the sections that should be included in each article? I'm thinking:

• summary
• what we learn about the characters (e.g., "Ape creatures of the Indus are better at mathematics than Baldrick"
• guest stars/guest characters (e.g. the Duke of Wellington, the stupid actors)
• trivia

Also, for the first episode of each season, I suggest the first section be "historical setting" with a brief (1 para) explanation of the time period in which the season (or special) is set, e.g. "'Blackadder Goes Forth' is set during the first World War and gives a glorious send-up of everything from army food to vaudeville to carrier pigeons to the "honest Tommy's" real opinion of King and Country..."

Thoughts?

An infobox would be nice if someone wants to knock one up? I'm happy to have a go at it, will prolly just copy one from a different series again and modify it, but if someone else wants to then go ahead.

Do we want to put it in the article for the first episode, or create a seperate overview page, or put it on the episode list page? I'm just thinking that because it applies to the whole season it might be better to not put it in with a particular episode. --frendy 00:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television_episodes#Format --frendy 02:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

As for the structure of the episode articles, what about following the Fawlty Towers model and including the following:

1. Synopsis
2. Cast
3. Plot
4. Trivia (this could include the "what we learn about the characters" stuff, like the ape creatures of the Indus bit)

Thoughts? --Bookgrrl 04:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

No consensus on what the structure of the episode articles should be yet...I'm thinking as a first step, I'll pull the series information out of the main Blackadder article (which is waaaay too long) and put it into four separate articles named by the first episode of that season; so for example the section Blackadder#Series_1:_The_Black_Adder will go into an article entitled The Foretelling (blackadder). Any objections to this? -- Bookgrrl 02:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox for Episodes

{{Infobox Blackadder episode}} Copy-pasted from the red dwarf/futurama ones so will still need a few changes. I've created series lists for each of the 4 main seasons so they work as well, need to decide what to do with the non-series specials, ie 'back and forth' etc. Will probably need to adjust the items slightly, let me know of any extra fields that are required. You can see this in action here. --frendy 05:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, I was working on one as well. Yours is quite a bit more sophisticated in the coding than mine :) Take a look here -- maybe we can combine some of the features? I'm really fond of the white-on-black, because after all he is the Black Adder. --Bookgrrl 01:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally I would vote for not listing all episodes in a season in the infobox, but rather "Next" and "Previous" ... --Bookgrrl 15:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I personally like Bookgrrl's, it's black!, but a few minor issues, prehaps change The Black Adder to Blackadder episode and maybe add a screen from that episode to the picture box (The Bread 04:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

Do we have a consensus on this yet as to what template we're using? I'd like to get it set up so we can start formatting the episode articles... --Bookgrrl 02:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I made a few changes -- altered the background color on the top and bottom to match the character infobox and added Next/Previous link capability (this replaces the longer "list of episodes" that was there). So I think we're ready to go on the episode articles...any takers?? --Bookgrrl 03:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The previous and next links don't seem to be working (The Bread 05:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC))

They work on the pages I've checked...which ones aren't working? Bookgrrl 23:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sidebar

Ok, I've created a sidebar that will give us some idea as to what we have to do to get this Project fully operational. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 00:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prince Edmund page

I'm thinking that the bulk of this should be distributed among the various episode articles (which we're going to be writing...), leaving only a brief outline similar to that for the other characters similar to Lord Percy Percy or King Richard IV of England... --Bookgrrl 02:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

What about others like Flashheart, who only appear in a couple of episodes? (The Bread 05:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC))

I think he deserves his own character article. Because he plays the same character in both seasons (he's Lord Flashheart in one and Squadron Commander the Lord Flashheart in the other), they could be combined into a single article so as not to have two very small articles. --Bookgrrl 15:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Great

(The Bread 01:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Character Page structure

I'm gonna sugest a we use a structure similar to the one used in the Prison Break character articles eg something like this

• Backround (Character)
• Character Development
  • The Black Adder
  • Blackadder II
  • Blackadder the Third
  • Blackadder goes Forth
  • Christmas Carol
  • Back and Fourth
• References

You wou only include the seasons in which they appear but i think this structure would be easy and effective to use, any thoughts?

I'm gonna redo Lord Flashheart in this fasion first so people can get a good idea of what it would look like

Sounds good -- do we need an infobox for characters, do you think? Or will it be simpler to do without? --Bookgrrl 04:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I reckon we do I've slapped together a basic one using the same sort of format as the Prison Break one (once again), here it is (The Bread 05:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC))

Looks good. Is first app/last app to be within a single series or across all series (e.g. first app: ep3 seas2, last app: ep4 seas3)? And how do we handle first app/last app for characters that come and go? --Bookgrrl 13:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and how about including a "Quotes" section at the end, just before references, so we can get in things like "I have a very cunning plan" and "..or did I just put a canoe in my pocket? WOOF!" --Bookgrrl 13:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

1. The first appearence last appearence things would be across the whole series e.g. Edmund Blackadder, first appearence Pilot, last appearence Goodbyeee... like that
2. Characters that come and go (like Flashheart, again) would be first appearence Bells Last appearence Private Plane; episode count 2
3. Quotes section for episodes is also a good idea
4. All that aside prehaps we should merge all the Blackadders together (Like the Baldrick article), although i'm not a big fan of merging i think from there we could get a really good Blackadder article out of there (We could call it Edmund Blackadder, or prehaps Blackadder (character))

(The Bread 03:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

I'm gonna create the box and test it out on the Lord Flashheart page to see how it fits

(The Bread 04:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Character infobox

Right i've gone and done it here it is, it is currently only in action on the Lord Flashheart page if you want to see it fully used, the instructions for using it are under the talk section of {{Blackadder character}}

Blackadder character
{{{name}}}
Nationality	{{{nationality}}}
Occupation(s)	{{{occupation}}}
First appearance	{{{first appearance}}}
Last appearance	{{{last appearance}}}
Episode count	{{{episode count}}}
Played by	{{{played by}}}

Nice! I like it. --Bookgrrl 12:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

(The Bread 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Blackadders

I think it may be a good idea to merge all the Blackadders together (like the Baldricks). You would end up with a really good article that way, i'm no way near doing it myself but i'd like some thoughts on the subject

(The Bread 05:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC))

I think that might be a good idea, although in the case of the massive Prince Edmund article it might be a good idea to have a "main article" link. I might have a go at this tonight, if you like. Bob talk 19:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm cool with you doing it, the Prince Edmund page could be shortened a bit, why don't we leave that one out for now and do the rest, then we can asses the Prince page on its own later

(The Bread 04:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Nursie article formatted

The Nursie article is now formatted per our article layout and infobox (thanks, Bread!) --Bookgrrl 02:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, as of 29th August, the following articles are formatted

• Lord Flashheart
• Nursie
• George
• Kevin Darling
• Queenie
• Percy

I think we should leave the Blackadder pages until the merge decision is decided apon, but top priority at the moment should be Baldrick, Percy, so I'm wondering which image we should use for those characters, i suggest the most recnet one (eg Pt. Baldrick for Baldrick) but it may be a good idea to use the Back and Forth character images, any thoughts

(The Bread 04:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC))

Hmm, good question since there are several incarnations of the character... I vote you choose whichever one you like best -- then if you're feeling ambitious you can include the others in the body of the article someplace. How 'bout that? --Bookgrrl 02:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Great

(The Bread 03:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] George

I think i might merge Price George and Lt. George (like Lord Percy Percy) into one article called George (Blackadder character). Anyone oppose this? (The Bread 02:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC))

I'm OK with it -- if it turns out too long we can always split it up again... --Bookgrrl 16:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, I've gone and done it...it's looking pretty good acutally

(The Bread 01:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Mrs. Miggins and King Richard IV

I'll sign up to do Mrs. Miggins and King Richard IV. Should be able to get to it in the next couple of days. --Bookgrrl 02:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Alrighty; In that case I'll take Melchett

(The Bread 08:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Season 3 episode articles done

All season three episode articles are done, see here where I have removed the episode info, leaving only the generic season info and a simple list. Somebody else feel free to tackle the remaining two seasons, I'm beat!! --Bookgrrl 18:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll take 4, I think Goodbyeee already has one though (The Bread 04:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC))

Are you using the same article structure I used for season 3? If not we should settle on what the structure's going to be so they can be consistent... --Bookgrrl 23:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah probably, I can't see any problems with your format, I'll do it on 23rd September as part of my 1000 Edit Programme

†he Bread 03:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I've done season 4 according to your format, I've also added a "see also" link to List of Blackadder episodes to every article, but I have been thinking, should we link the last episode of one season to the first episode of the next season (via the next part of the infobox) e.g. The Black Seal → Bells, Chains → Dish and Dishonesty, and Duel and Duelality(sp?) → Captain Cook?

†he Bread 01:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Mm. Yeah, I like that idea. Maybe make the visible part say "Next season" or "Season X" rather than an episode name, so it's clear they're going to the next season? --Bookgrrl 01:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Sweet as, it's a good idea to put Season X rather than the next episode, do you want to do it or should I

†he Bread 02:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A message from the founder

I'm currently more occupied with WikiProject Dad's Army at moment. So, therefore I have decided to give control of the project to Thefourdotelipsis as he has done a lot for this project so far, and I hope will continue to help out this project in the future. However, i'm not quitting the role as project founder and controller, if you like I am doing what Bill Gates did a few months back. Thankyou --Mollsmolyneux 19:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Goodbyeeee

†he Bread 01:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 1 Done

As above, we've completed our first goal, full credit to Frendy for creating the season 2 articles and Bookgrrl for creating the infobox and season 3

†he Bread 02:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Importance (sp?)

I'm going to try and rate all the article on their importance (sp?) to the project, some are easy while some are harder to do, here's the ones I think will be difficult to rate and would like some feedback on

• Episode articles
• Baldrick
• Bob (Kate)
• Lord Flashheart

Personally I think Baldrick should be either "Top" or "High" while all the episode articles be "Mid" and Flashheart and Bob be "Low" but, y'know, I've got a feeling that I may have gone wrong

†he Bread 02:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Directory

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and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CFD notice