Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bangladesh

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With the expansion of Bānglā articles on Wikipedia, a need for a standard for spelling and transliteration is becoming obvious. Anyone interested in such a project is requested to join this project. A Wikipedia:WikiProject Bengal has been created to sort the issues involving West Bengal and the Bengali language.

To do (long format) list:

• Bangladesh Liberation War: created and work started
• Reorganising all topics on Bangladesh with special attention to removal of overlap between articles such as:

Language Martyrs' Day

Language Movement

International Mother Language Day

Bengali

• Restructuring Category:Bangladesh with special attention to - follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions to create a modular and hierarchy based category structure.
• Creation of a naming convention for Bangla words: scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Bengal now
• Completion of all the stubs and creation of stubs out of non-existent articles
• Addition of images to all-text articles (to avoid their being too boring)
• Creation of a Bangla Project page: scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Bengal now
• Have some nice maps of Bangladesh and major cities posted. I think there are some good maps available from BD govermnet's website....as well as the CIA Factbook site
• Addition of some articles on Major Bangladeshi Disasters like Floods and Cyclones
• Pages on Festivals of Bangladesh (Pohela Boishakh, Eid, Durga Puja etc)
• Tons of images. I found some on the web, but not sure on copyright.
• Bangladeshi Games. Including Ha-du-du (Kabadi), other old games (Daria bandha, bouchi etc). Also modern games....cricket, shooting etc.

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Contents 1 Liberation War of Bangladesh 2 Banglapedia? 3 Overlapping Articles 3.1 Language Movement 3.2 Bangladesh History 4 Mukti Bahini 5 Category nomenclature 6 Directory listing and to-do sections 7 Biocollabproject 8 Project scope 9 Join 10 Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad 11 Deletion list 12 Cuisine of Bangladesh 13 Sharmin murder case 14 Rabindranath Tagore 15 Sheba Prokashoni 16 Kamal Kar 17 Bengali script needed for articles 18 What I can do. 19 Dhaka Peer review 20 Ziaur Rahman FAC 21 Kazi Nazrul Islam 22 Dhaka 23 Tagore as B'deshi FA 24 Project directory 25 Proposal(s) 26 Bangladeshi Flag 27 Wikipedia:Vernacular scripts

[edit] Liberation War of Bangladesh

I believe the Liberation War deserves more space that a small section on the Bangladesh page. There is so much to discuss on that. Plus, the Bangladesh page, as written and presented now, really needs some restructuring work. I think the main clash happens because people from different countries in South Asia tend to put up their own POV-biased notions and leave out rest. Examples:

• In the initial version, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's leadership and the other leaders were totally ignored.
• Somebody called it Indo-Pak War of 1971 as opposed to the Liberation War of Bangladesh.
• India's role in the war and reasons for India to support is one of those constant edit-re-edit wars.

The way out?

• Strictly state facts as a timeline
• Zero foreign perspectives (if you wish to discuss Indo-Pak War of 1971, put it on a separate page and put a link here)
• Avoid speculative analysis out of observations (for example, say India helped instead of saying India helped because...)
• Mention political scenario to avoid the notion that parties other than Awami League had no role (fundamentally because the other parties did not exist back then; they were formed long after the independence)
• Avoid current political perspectives (for example, whether Ziaur Rahman had a bigger or smaller role than Sheikh Mujibur Rahman; strictly mention historical facts: meeting of March 7, Mujib's arrest on the 25th night, declaration from a small radio station in Chittagon by Zia, news broadcast of BBC informing people on the West coast of the declaration, etc, etc.)

Urnonav

[edit] Banglapedia?

Can we get articles from http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/? Their main page says it's copyrighted by Asiatic Society of Bangladesh.... I am wondering if we can use information/article/content from that according to the principle of "Fair Use".

--Ragib 22:36, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have used material from Banglapedia but not in the form that is there. I read through it and then wrote them in my own words again. Plus, if you look into articles about Bangladesh written presumably by Indians, you'd see immense use of infomation from CIA factbook, the best possible source of (biased) information. Most of these are direct copy-pastes. I would be surprised if CIA factbook was not copyrighted.

I just wrote to them and asked if they would consider changing their license, and ideas for collaborating with Wikipedia - it seems they have a lot of information of a number of topics. My knowledge of Bangladeshi history is not good enough to really evaluate how good it is though. But it seems it is all written by Bangladeshi intellectuals.

Houshuang 22:34, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Being a Bangladeshi myself, I can assure you that Banglapedia is highly regarded in Bangladesh. It is called the national encyclopedia of Bangladesh ... and was funded by the Govt. Unfortunately, I doubt if you'd get a reply from them, I tried contacting them earlier, and got no response!! --Ragib 02:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I can tell you Banglapedia is the most reputable online reference for articles relating to Bangladesh, Bengal, and to some extent even West Bengal.--Antorjal 04:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overlapping Articles

Please add the groups of overlapping articles in this section.

[edit] Language Movement

Ragib, if you have some free time, could you go through the overlapping articles on Language Movement and merge the articles? If nobody objects, let's work on one and put redirects on the other two. I recently gathered some information to make a non-political section on Liberation War. So, depending on what you want to do, I can take the other. (I'd really like to make those two look decent before school fully kicks in!)

Details:

These are the articles:

Language Martyrs' Day

Language Movement

International Mother Language Day

If you ask me, I'd say let's keep Language Movement because it has no symbols and is more likely to be looked up and put redirects on the others.

Urnonav 19:26, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'd take a look at it once I get a bit free Ragib

[edit] Bangladesh History

There is a section on East Pakistan. The info there overlaps considerably with Bangladesh Liberation War, and the one on Indo-Pak war of 1971. --Ragib 06:51, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I haven't check info on East Pakistan. There's a general trend in all Bangladesh related articles to over-emphasise on the Bangladesh Liberation War. It's possibly because when articles were initially created the Liberation War article didn't exist! I continuously try and make sure that information on Indo-Pakistan War of 1971 is consistent with different involved parties especially Bangladesh, India and Pakistan armies, but some people, due to their national associations and beliefs, love to put information that should be elsewhere in this article. The whole US involvement was with Bangladesh Liberation War and not Indo-Pak War of 1971 although obviously the two battles were closely related: the first led to the latter! -- Urnonav 06:33, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mukti Bahini

This article needs major cleanup. After the first sentence, the rest of the article is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's Biography, cut and pasted from Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. No detail/mention of Mukti Bahini at all. --Ragib 04:36, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My proposition is that this article should strictly not include political information; Awami League or any other party had almost nothing to do with the formation of MB. To cut a long story short Mukti Bahini was a special guerilla group. We also need to see what the organisation of Bangladesh Army was inside Mukti Bahini or vice versa before we go about editing it. Banglapedia (which suffers from chronic server problems) has an excellent section on the military organisation of the War. -- Urnonav 06:36, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'll look into Banglapedia. BTW, you can find the contents of Banglapedia in Google Cache, when the original server is down. --Ragib 07:00, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category nomenclature

What is the naming convention regarding titles? Is Bangladeshi musicians preferred to Musicians of Bangladesh or Musician of Bangladesh? We need to work on the Category: Bangladesh.

-ksh

[edit] Directory listing and to-do sections

I am listing all Bangladesh related articles under the section "Directory of Article", and also listing the categories, in proper hierarchical manner. Please add to the section. Thanks --Ragib 22:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Biocollabproject

Not sure if this should be mentioned here but the current Biography Collaboration of the week is a Bangledash related topic. Falphin 01:42, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, we all would like to work on the collaboration. Thanks --Ragib 02:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Project scope

Please re-define the scope of this WikiProject on the main project page. I removed the irrelevant content left by the template I had damaged last year. See the discussion at WikiProject. Sorry for any inconvenience. Quinobi 05:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Join

I can speak Bangla, and I know quite a bit about Bangladesh, but how would I join this WikiProject? User:SFGiants

Welcome, you can start by looking into the articles (not a complete list) listed in the project page, picking one up and expanding it, looking thru the category Bangladesh-stub (many articles are in stub state now) and expanding them. Great to have you here. Don't forget to add your name to the project participants section in the project page. Thanks, and shwagotom :) --Ragib 16:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad

Doesn't the above page belong in this project? --Taejo 10:32, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion list

Hi folks,

I just wanted to let you know about a list of deletion debates on Bangladesh-related articles. You can find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bangladesh. Since there aren't very many Bangladesh-related VfDs, you might find this list a useful way to check if there are any items worth your attention.

If you find the list useful, please help to maintain it by adding new items or archiving old ones. Thanks!

Also, new members are welcome and much needed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting. Hope to see you there!

Cheers,

-- Visviva 15:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cuisine of Bangladesh

hi folks! have just created a stub - Cuisine of Bangladesh .. this aspect of our national brand is quite a subtle one as one could argue that something of 'Bangladesh' is in most major cities worldwide, namely the cuisine in restaurants masquerading as 'Indian'. heck - it might even be the national cusine of 'Britain'!

o)

Please tuck in.! Aloodum 15:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I personally believe that Bangladeshi cuisine would be a very incomplete article. Bulk of what is seen, in Dhaka at least, are not of Bangladeshi origin. That aside, I think it would be better to have an article on Bengali cuisine. The reason for my saying this is, cuisine is something usually associated with ethnic groups rather than with countries. A notion like Indian cuisine makes little sense given how different South Indian cooking is from, say, Kashmiri cooking. -- urnonav 23:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sharmin murder case

Hi guys, I just made this stub.. I just thought it would be a good story to cover. Does anyone remember the sordid details? I can't even recall Monir's mistress's name! Hope you guys can flesh out dates and names, etc.

Next stop: Ershad Shikder ;-)

--Peripatetic 13:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I somewhat remember some details, first of which is the victims name: Sharmin (nick name Rima). She was the daughter of a journalist martyred in 1971. The name of the mistress was Khuku. She was found not guilty. I also renamed the article. --Ragib 22:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi,

I was just browsing online and I came across this brief description about the murder of my aunt, my moms younger sister. Anyway...if you guys want any help or details on this...let me know. Oh, and thanks for even mentioning it. :)

email address: atlangel5485@msn.com

Anusha

[edit] Rabindranath Tagore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review#Rabindranath_Tagore

Hi people,

Tagore is up for peer review at the above address. It doesn't strike me as being very well-done, and also it seems that it's been worked on mostly by a non-Bengali. I've given my comments to the guy, but maybe some of you guys could pitch in as well? --Peripatetic 14:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sheba Prokashoni

Have put up an article for the favorite prokashoni from our misspent youth. Pitch in to improve/modify! --Peripatetic 21:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kamal Kar

Kamal Kar may be of interest to members of WikiProject Bangladesh - although he is Indian, he has done a lot of his very interesting work in Bangladesh, related to sanitation, with a bottom-up approach. I am reading his work (PDFs linked from the article) and will do some more editing when I finish. --Singkong2005 07:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bengali script needed for articles

they are listed here: Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Indic_name_needed--D-Boy 20:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

some more are listed--D-Boy 22:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What I can do.

I going to take up some heavy-duty interest in expanding sections on music and films (such as articles on films, artists, albums, bands). These are areas I think I can contribute most. I'll post here if I need help or information.Antorjal 04:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dhaka Peer review

Hi - I request the participants of this WikiProject to contribute to the peer review of Dhaka. I hope to start an FAC soon. Rama's arrow 22:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ziaur Rahman FAC

Hi all - I've put up Ziaur Rahman for FAC. Please check it out. Rama's arrow 13:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kazi Nazrul Islam

Hi - I request all to please check out Kazi Nazrul Islam (FAC). Thanks, Rama's arrow 00:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dhaka

Please visit Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dhaka - I request your input, help and advice. Rama's arrow 00:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Dhaka is expanded by Rama's Arrow. So it's time to cut it off in the to do list.Tarif Ezaz Bangladesh 19:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tagore as B'deshi FA

Hi - just to clarify, I've added Rabindranath Tagore as a Bangladesh-related FA because he is integral to Bangladeshi culture, even though he isn't technically Bangladeshi. Cheers, Rama's arrow 19:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal(s)

I would like to join the project very much. And, I have few proposals to make to the project people:

• Create a "bangladesh-history" stub, and a "bangladesh-history" category
• Create a "bangladesh-dynasties" project/portal/template
• Merge most "cities" into respective districts (for reasons stated on Talk:List of cities in Bangladesh), and have a guideline for district entry names, like - Pirojpur District (Bangladesh) - where the "(...)" part is to be used only when there is another entry with the same name
• Start a Dhaka Neighborhoods project, and go thana by thana
• Create an infobox template for Dhaka thanas (a starting point could be the infobox on Shahbag)
• A more stringent sorting and cleanup of all the articles

And, can the project have "vandal-guard" system? Yours - Aditya Kabir 05:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I support most of your comments, except the one on cities. There is no reason to merge two separate entities into a single one. A District is a Govt designated subdivision, with separate administration and structure. A city is an incorporated area under a municipal corporation, municipality or municipal board. The two entities are different, and it is a norm in Wikipedia to treat them as such. For example, census usually lists metropolitan population and district-wise population figures separately. So, I don't see ANY reason to merge such articles. Thanks. --Ragib 22:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we need to give the city-proposal more thought, especially about their notability. Is everything put in a government gadget or demarcated by a boundary and counted for a population notable enough to have an entry? I have my doubts. This is the reason I kept Bandarban Town a part of Bandarban District. Please, advise. - Aditya Kabir 06:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

See Category:Cities and towns in India and its subcategories. There are more than 5000 places there. As for Bhola, see thousands of entries for cities such as some listed in Category:Cities_in_California. For example, see Dixon,_California. The US has double the population of Bangladesh. This city has a population of 16,103 (note that, it is still called a city, not a town or village). The same precedent can be shown for cities and towns in almost all other countries. So, there is no real need to nuke the city articles and merge them elsewhere. Thanks. --Ragib 07:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha! Nuking wasn't the idea. But, seriously there's more. I haven't been able to find the criterion for designating cities in India. But, with California the designation comes by incorporation, like I said, by a charter or law. And, on top of that many of those cities don't conform to a naming convention.
Well, since you are supposed to know the norms, conventions and regulations for WP better, I would reduce the proposal to encompass just the List of cities in Bangladesh and Template:BDeshCities. Can we classify the urban areas listed them into metropolitan and municipal areas? That would be more encyclopedic (I mean - NOT ARBITARY). Since, I can't propose to work on realignment of "all city lists on WP" (lack of time, energy, experience and so on) though most of them need it, at least this much I think is achievable.Thanks. - Aditya Kabir 04:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What about my proposal to join the Project on Bangladesh? How do I do that? And, how can I ask for help to create that infobox of "Dhaka Thana"? - Aditya Kabir 04:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bangladeshi Flag

I notice that the Bangladeshi flag seems not to appear when it is supposed for example in 2006 Commonwealth Games medal table and in 1999 Cricket World Cup. Anyone know why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madbassist (talk • contribs).

I don't see any problems in these articles. In both of them, the small version of the Bangladesh flag appears just fine. --Ragib 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Vernacular scripts

Wikipedia isn't supposed to be about voting! :-D--D-Boy 03:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)