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[edit] Categories

[edit] "Churches in England by County" and "Category:Churches"

This isn't an exclusively Anglican issue, but this is the most relevant WikiProject I have found (please bear with me!)...

Having discovered there were 10 'Churches in <county>' sub-categories under Category:Churches in England, and needing to use one that didn't exist, I have created and part-populated another 32 similar sub-cats. These group all churches, chapels and cathedrals (etc) by English 'ceremonial county', being lists of the buildings rather than the congregations that meet there, and hence covering both Anglican and Roman Catholic establishments.

This is an ongoing process (please feel free to join in!) as 'church' articles are randomly spread across a wide range of parent categories, mostly due to differences in the interpretation of the word 'church'. Now, at least, the only churches under Category:Churches in the United Kingdom are those (congregations) which are not listed because of the buildings they meet in; and, under Category:Churches in England, every article is now arranged by county cat.

Having viewed so many articles about churches, it is clear that the vast majority are listed primarilly on architectural or historic merit. However, it is also clear that in many cases the churches have active congregations and the articles would be considered incomplete without a description of their activities too. This leads to another categorisation issue, since I perceive a need for a categorisation of the same churches by denomination instead of by geography.

I think it would become needlessly complicated to have a full set of 'Category:Anglican churches in <county>' and 'Category:Roman Catholic churches in <county>' (for example), since these would be sparsely populated and would heavilly overlap the existing 'Churches in <county>' cats. Yet, without sub-division, the cats would be unmanagebly large and impossible to use. So, instead I propose creating a hierarchy of lists - the list format allowing for additional information not obvious from the article title:

List of Protestant churches in Great Britain – top-level list
- List of Church of England churches in England – sub-list
List of Roman Catholic churches in Great Britain
etc... (additional lists depending on need!)

These could be subdivided first by country and then by county. Categorising in this way would avoid the naming issues surrounding the subcategories of Category:Churches by denomination.

My reason for writing this essay here was prompted by a recent discussion concerning the proposed renaming of Category:Churches to 'Category:Churches (buildings)' (see discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_14#Category:Churches.

Any thoughts?

EdJogg 13:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC) (not-yet project member!)

Part of the point of categories is that they are hierarchical, so if we were to put things in Anglican Churches by County, then those same churches should not appear in churches by county. I suspect that in general a parish church (or equivalent) will generally only be notable on other grounds (architecture, historical importance etc etc), rather than being inherently notable so I doubt we would ever have huge numbers in any county category. One problem is taht church boundaries rarely coincide with secular ones - for example some Church of England parishes cross the border into Wales (and some Church in Wales parishes vice-versa). I will elave it to others to comment on whether the Church of England should be characterised as Protestant... And to argue as to whether the most appropruate listing would actually be by diocese rather than county. David Underdown 15:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaborations of the Month

[edit] Articles

[edit] Editing Church (Building) Articles

As further described in the 'Categories' and 'Naming Conventions' sections above, I have recently viewed a large number of articles describing English churches. The majority of these are (presumably) part of the Church of England, yet I find them described randomly as either Anglican or Church of England, or even, in at least one case: [[Church of England|Anglican]]!

I had never really considered this carefully before, and like many people, used the terms interchangeably. But I need some guidance for the correct usage here. What should the correct terminology be? Would "Anglican (Church of England)" be a good way of describing these churches consistently?

Incidentally, St John the Baptist, Egglescliffe shows an example of the under-utilised but potentially useful info box for use with Church of England churches. (see Template:Parish church).

Another possibly useful template is Template:Infobox church, although this requires more architectural knowledge.

EdJogg 14:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ECUSA bishops Philander Chase and Charles Pettit McIlvaine

Yesterday, a driveby anonymous IP expanded Philander Chase from a stub into a short biography. Worth a read. Meanwhile, Serpent's Choice (talk • contribs) created a brief stub for his successor, Charles Pettit McIlvaine. I have not put bishop infoboxes on them, because arguably they are more noted for other roles (I don't think they drew salaries as bishops.) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've no opinion right now about McIlvaine, but Philander Chase is one of the most notable bishops in the history of ECUSA. I'll see if I've got some documentation handy and add it to the article. -- Bpmullins | Talk 02:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need help with Christian views of marriage

This is tagged as part of this project, but from what I see it hardly represents an Anglican perspective at all. Instead, it seems to have been overrun by someone's personal categorization of evangelical views. Any help would be appreciated. Mangoe 18:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dean of York

Dean of York and dean of Canterbury - 2 lists in urgent need of attention, most likely from this project. Neddyseagoon - talk 20:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rt. Rev. Clifton Daniel III

This article is currently up for deletion (read it and you'll understand) but we should have an article on a current diocesan. Can somebody take a look and fix it? I may not have time for a couple of days. I've added a WikiProject tag to it, but it'll still be deleted if we don't fix it. Thanks! (Don't forget to move it to the proper page - his title shouldn't be in the title of the article.)-- Bpmullins | Talk 22:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William Porcher DuBose

I have added an article for W. P. DuBose. Would someone mind dropping by and adding categories, and maybe something specifically about DuBose's theology? Thanks, Pastordavid 18:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Useful sources

[edit] Naming conventions

[edit] Task forces

[edit] Templates

[edit] Category:Religious leaders

The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 22:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Claims in non-Anglican articles

Reformed Church in America claims "It is the oldest Protestant church with a continuous ministry and also the oldest corporation in North America." Is this an accurate, NPOV statement? Ministry in Nieuw Amsterdam began in 1628, several years after Protestant worship in Jamestown had begun.--Bhuck 10:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Challenging this would require opening the "Is Anglicanism Protestant?" can of worms. Carolynparrishfan 15:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know how this song to the tune of "God Bless America" goes? I forget the parts where I wrote "hm hm"...

I am an Anglican

I am P. E. (Protestant Episcopal)

Not hm hm hm

Nor hm hm

But Protestant and Catholic and free

Not a Methodist

Not a Presby

Not a Baptist, white with foam,

I am an Anglican, one step from Rome!

--Bhuck 16:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Google is your friend...[1] -- Bpmullins | Talk 19:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, anyway, if looking at the historical context, I think it is fair to say that seventeenth-century Anglicanism (pre-Oxford movement) was most definitely Protestant. What was the Glorious Revolution about, anyway?--Bhuck 10:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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