Wikipedia:WikiProject Mythology/Archives

[edit] Archives 001

PLEASE DO NOT EDIT BELOW LINE. THIS IS A RECORD OF PEOPLE'S HARD WORK from BEGINNING year 2005 through September 2006:

[edit] Let's get going

Hello all, I just saw the Hinduism panel, looks good. I agree that Navigation should be simple. However looking at the wikispecies: site makes me want a wikimyth site.

• On the content would we want source text at wikibooks and references to the from wikipedia?
• would deity names be in their original (or oldest known occurence) language or the language of the project?
• would the organization of subcatergories be related to the classical pantheons or by ethnic origin?
• do the articles in wikipedia at the moment need to be cleaned-up, etc, etc before we add anymore?
• do we add more stubs and build a framework before elaborating?
• would anyone want to have specific tasks within the project?

I am a fan of Myth, follore, legends, fables, fairy tales and the like and would like to see a srouce on the web about it that is worthwhile. If these questions have been asked somewhere else, please let me know. I am a little new at this.

Ojmorales0002 16:38, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Godboxes

The "Symbols" block is confusing. What do you mean? Rossami 22:34, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I agree it is not a very good heading -- ideas, animals, institutions, etc that are associated with the god (as in Zeus was the god of thunder). I can't think of anything particularly good to put there -- besides symbols, aspects was all I could think of, and that isn't any better. Do you have a suggestion? Tuf-Kat 22:37, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

It is basically the same idea as the patron saint of thing. Is there a word for that? Tuf-Kat 22:39, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Functions? Bacchiad

I think aspects would have made more sense to me, but I understand the problem. To me, symbols implies specific icons, pictograms or other written or drawn, well, "symbols", not things and certainly not intangibles like "love". By the way, I think both those are fundamentally different from patron god(dess) of. Patron implies an affinity and a willingness to extend protection. While most of the examples are closely correlated (god of tricksters because the god is a trickster himself), I don't believe that is an absolute rule. If you can make it fit (and that's a big if), I'd like to see a separate block for "Patron of". Rossami 19:15, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

associations/associated with?--Phoebus 17:45, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've added a link to the Swedish Mythology Project! It's pretty sleepy right now, but maybe there will be more contributors than just me joining in within short? / Mats 21:31, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Alternatives to Godboxes

So I started coming up with alternative godboxes, but then I started thinking about why I haven't seen any.

There is a nice set of boxes on the constellation articles - e.g. Centaurus

So far, the godbox effort has stalled. It seems like a lot of effort to place all that information in a table (which even under the best circumstances is a PITA to edit) when it's usually already in the article, so that's understandable. On the other hand, the Hindu project has been doing a lot with templates. These are much easier to do, since all it takes is some {{'s, and they can help navigation between pages of a topic.

Please see my proposal on the front page. Since I'm simple-minded, I chose a green color-scheme for Greek and a red one for Roman. Bacchiad 13:43, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

i like your proposal a lot, i think it would make navigation much simpler.--Phoebus 17:46, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• • I think that we should think about Topic Boxes instead of God boxes. One of the topics can be Gods. But I think that mythology is more than a glossary of gods and heroes. check out The Golden Bough (Yes I uploaded to the wrong site, I am fixing that) although the text itself is old what we can get from it is great. Ojmorales0002 13:31, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Related Projects

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Jesus

[edit] Centered box

A right aligned box could interfere with pictures and so on, therefore I propose a centered box at the bottom of the page like the template {{NorseMythology}}. Every mythology could then have an individual color scheme and religious symbol. The general layout of the boxes can of course be discussed. Salleman 21:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is this project still active? Jacoplane 21:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It would appear not. Salleman 06:48, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not really. I have tidied up Wikipedia:Shortpages/Mythology though. ~~~~ 08:56, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] CD's Use of the Proposals

Fertile Crescent myth series
Mesopotamia
Levantine myth
Arabian myth
Yazidic religion
Mesopotamian mythology Topics
Gods Anu & 7 who decree fate Ishtar & astrology Tiamat & Tablets of Destiny Annunaki & fiction Marduk & Babylon Heroes Utnapishtim & world-flood Tammuz & new life Gilgamesh & Cedar Forest Enkidu, the man-beast Monsters Zu, the winged lion Qingu, mankind's blood Resheph, plague and war Namtar, deadly illness Related Me, divine decrees Ma, primeval land Irkalla, the underworld Mesopotamian religion The Fertile Crescent

Fertile Crescent myth series
Mesopotamian
Levantine
Arabian
Mesopotamia
Primordial beings
The great gods
Demigods & heroes
Spirits & monsters
Tales from Babylon
7 Gods who Decree
4 primary: Anu Enlil Ki Enki	3 sky: Ishtar Sin Sama

I was really impressed with the template I saw at Template:Greek myth (sea). It has two parts: the top for groups of topics, and a bottom for a list of gods. This allows the template to grow, connect all the articles together in an interlinked TOC, and has a quick list of related gods at the bottom. Some non-Classical mythologies are sub-topics within larger articles and may not have enough information to stand on their own. Thus, a right aligned box may sometimes be more appropriate, such as for the absolutely stunning box that Salleman designed!

Inspired, I designed one for myths of the Fertile Crescent since they share many of the same deities, but one box listing them all would eventually take up too much space. And each box would fill with many duplicates of the same god.

Used a desert colour scheme. A centred box at bottom would be best for stubs, but would take toomuch more work. Castanea dentata 06:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The template is vandalized a lot, but a stable link is here.

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[edit] Stubs

Hi everybody - just a short message from WP:WSS to let you know that the mythology-related stub categories have changed a bit. Incan mythology stubs was too small and specific a category on its own, whereas much larger groups of mythology stubs weren't separated out. Mythology stubs are now divided by continent, with Greek mythology separated out further since there were a large number of them. Al the new stub types are at the bottom of your project page. We hope they help editors find mythology articles to expand more easily! Grutness...wha? 13:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

It strikes me that Classical mythology should be stubbed together, although with a less culturally biases name ex: "Greco-Roman mythology". I would also recommend having East Asian (Indian, Japanese, Chinese, etc) mythology seperate from Middle Eastern mythology (Mesopotamian, NW Semitic, Jewish) because there's less overlap that way. The only problem is where do Iranian myths fit? Also, I'm assuming Hawai'ian myths fall under the Oceanic category. --Tydaj 19:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I was the one who resorted the majority of the myth stubs into the new categories. I'd agree with the merging of roman and greek stubs, if only to reduce some of the strain on the {{euro-myth-stub}} tag. Splitting the asian stubs may have to wait for the category to fill out a bit more - as it is its easy enough to browse through the different areas within the tag. GeeJo 09:04, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

PS: I think I'm going to leave it in the hands of you guys to keep track of new stubs appearing in {{myth-stub}}, only 70 to look through in there at the mo. GeeJo 09:04, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

I'd prefer it to be named Graeco-Roman than Greco-Roman. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 12:36, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Can someone make a hindu-myth-stub?--Dangerous-Boy 01:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi everyone I am new so courageous. I am close to making and moving groups into the Middle east stub (am just going through some approval process), as well as close to divide the americas-myth-stub into north, center and south. I Would like some pictures - for middle east, how about I use the 'fertile crescent' tree you came up with here. Goldenrowley 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparative Religions Template

Please visit this template I'm working on to go at the bottom of all of the major religious pages as a way to facilitate comparative religion research. Leave your comments on its talk page. Thanks! --Mareino 01:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project

Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on mythology? Featured articles would also be great. Please post your suggestions here. Cheers!--Shanel 02:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindu myth stub?

Can someone create a Hindu myth stub?

• • {{Hindu-myth-stub}} → Category:Hindu mythology stubs

--Dangerous-Boy 01:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

It's been done I don't know who did it but its there for you now Goldenrowley 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Key to the Living/The Key to the Dead

This article is currently on AfD and will probably be deleted unless someone can provide a reference for it so I thought I'd enquire here if anyone could help. The text of the article is in this revision. Thanks.--Cherry blossom tree 21:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To do-list

I made a to do-list for this WikiProject, to try and list a number of tasks for us to do. What do you guys think of it? And are there any things you would like to add to it?

[edit] Requested move: Dreamtime (mythology) → Tjukurpa

There is a requested move listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves that proposes the move Dreamtime (mythology) → Tjukurpa. To contribute to the discussion related to this move see Talk:Dreamtime (mythology). Regards, User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 10:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Melanesian mythology

This article was nominated for speedy deletion earlier as an empty article. I turned it into a stub but the article needs more work. If anyone could expand it, it would be great. Capitalistroadster 18:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Films sub-cat

Howdy all! Just thought I'd let you know there's a new sub-category for films at Category:Films based on Greco-Roman mythology, in case any of you are both mythology buffs and film buffs. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 18:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing encyclopedic articles

Greetings WikiProject Mythology! I'm part of another Wikiproject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. I'm not sure if there's been any kind of official or unofficial inter-Wikiproject cooperation between our two projects, or if there's been any contact at all in the past, but I thought I'd come here anyways and say 'hi'.

WikiProject Missing Encyclopedic Articles' essentially goal is to help Wikipedia become better than any other encyclopedia/major repository of information, by including articles on every topic in any other encyclopedia/major repository of information. A lot of the project focusses on things like the Encylopedia Brittanica, Columbia, Gutenberg authors, etc, but the section I thought might interest you guys is the Hotlist of Mythology & Folklore. It began with a list of 17,346 articles, and it's now down to 7,678 (56% done). It includes all types of mythology - Celtic, Chinese, Greek, Native American, you name it. I bet if we got some input from you guys, who actually know something about mythology, we could make a serious dent in what's left. If you're interested, check out the project page, drop me a line, or just start contributing. Thanks! --Gpollock 22:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trojan War

There is (polite) dispute on the Trojan War article about some of the content. Some more commentary from mythology editors would be greatly appreciated.Ikokki

[edit] Wizards in mythology.

This isn't quite a perfect fit (I was hoping to find an appropriate History WikiProject), but hopefully someone can help out.

There's currently a dispute going on at Wizard (now moved to Wizard (fantasy), Wizard (disambiguation), and a few other places. It's only between two people, so some kind of third opinion would be helpful to avoid a 1 on 1 revert war. A brief overview:

The Wizard article was apparently in bad shape and had a cleanup tag on it. User:Jc37 reorganized some parts of it and removed the cleanup tag. I saw it and rewrote it to a degree and put the cleanup tag back on. Jc37 went on to mostly revert my changes, and has since made various major shifts. He seems determined to remove practically all references to magic in the "Wizard" article, and has in fact completely removed the section on historical wizards recently (he moved the article from Wizard to Wizard (fantasy), retaining some of the historical information at Magician). He is also a strong proponent of using "black box systems" to explain Magic, something I feel that is not appropriate for an introduction on both style (Computer Science jargon) and content grounds. Jc37 is also interested in categorizing the various mage-like articles more strictly (wizard vs. magician vs. alchemist and so on), which I am neutral on, but I do not see the sources that Jc37 is using for his categories. Additionally, I feel that the new articles are poorly written, even ignoring content issues.

Ultimately, both Jc37 and myself are amatuers at the subject, I believe. I'm trying to learn more, but both of our attempts have been unsourced so far (it's just that he's been far more aggressive at editing his writing in). If anyone here actually knows folkore and historical sociology well, that would be greatly appreciated; these articles definitely need help, and that is something that both Jc37 and myself can agree on. SnowFire 20:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0

Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the Mythology WikiProject article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one (new) for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist like this one automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 04:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template for article talk pages

This WikiProject should have a template such as this one that can be placed on article talk pages. This helps editors keep track of articles in the project. 24.126.199.129 06:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charun

OK, is it me or Glengordon01 that is trying to support subjective opinions about the topic with shoddy (in his case no) sources? There has recently been an edit war between me and him over this figure from Etruscan mythology. He seems to think that his word is more valid than the eleven sources I've cited, on the grounds that my sources all have "subjective opinions". On the discussion page for Labrys, he's claiming that I am using the Burden of proof (logical fallacy) when it seems that all the evidence shows that he is the only one utilizing it. --Scottandrewhutchins 23:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Membership list

Hello, and congratulations on the quality of your work to date. One little problem. According to guidelines, a project with no listed members and no activity on its project page for three months can be tagged as inactive, and, possibly, even deleted. I see how much work is being done, but I don't see a list of active members. It might be a really good idea to add one, to ensure no one else jumps to speedy, erroneous, conclusions. Thanks. Badbilltucker 22:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Templates

[edit] TUF-KAT's Proposal

[edit] Greek

I created this as a template godbox (see Wikipedia:Infobox). I think it works well for this example, but I'm not sure how well it will translate to other Greek deities, much less Celtic or Egyptian ones, and not even to mention Hindu deities or Christian saints or other similar topics. I may create a few more to establish a real template -- several variations will have to exist even within Greek mythology (Zeus, for example, had too many children to put them all in the box, and there needs to be an image-less template as well). I chose varying shades of blue to mean different things -- blue will be the Greek mythology color, and other colors can be chosen at will (e.g. shades of red for Celtic mythology, green for Norse, gray for Aztec, etc). There will, however, be overlap, as there are only so many colors.

Artemis			Moon Goddess of the Greeks
Artemis statue from Versailles			Symbols
			Virginity Moon Hunting Animals Healing Childbirth Fertility
			Attributes
			Bows and arrows Moon (especially crescent) Sceptre
			Epithets
			Agrotora Potnia Theron Kourotrophos Locheia Cynthia Phoebe
Identified with	Centers of worship	Status	Olympian
Diana (Roman) Artume (Etruscan), also Selene, Aphaea, Hecate, Cybele, Caryatis	Aricia, Mount Tifata, Latium, Asia Minor	Parentage	Zeus and Leto
		Lovers	None
		Offspring	None
Artwork
Paintings	Literature	Sculptures and statues	Modern interpretations
???	???	Temple of Artemis	???

Zeus (Greek Zευς) or Dias (Greek: Διας)			Sky Father of the Greeks
Zeus at Otricoli			Symbols
			Thunder Lightning Masculinity Sky Truth Justice Hospitality Royalty Honesty Oaths Family Virtue Paternity
			Attributes
			Thunderbolt Eagle Sceptre
			Epithets
			Ceneus Lycaeus Panhellenios
Identified with	Centers of worship	Status	Olympian King of the Gods
Jupiter (Roman) Tinia (Etruscan) Sabazios (Phrygian) Ammon (Egyptian) Lycaon in Aegina	Mycenae (probable origin), Cape Canaeum, Olympia, Dodona, Pergamon	Parentage	Cronus and Rhea
		Wife	Hera (many other lovers, see below)
		Offspring	Ares, Dionysus, Persephone, Hermes, Apollo, Artemis (many more, see below)
Artwork
Paintings	Literature	Sculptures and statues	Modern interpretations
Jupiter and Io Leda with the Swan	???	Statue at Olympia	???