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[edit] Current debates
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The result was delete. Punkmorten 17:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Duel Class
Prodded by User:Fram "Non notable webcomic, perhaps recreate the article when the graphic novel has been published by a reputable publisher, has received some award, and/or has had reviews by major independent magazines}". Might benefit from more discussion.
Note: This debate has been included in the list of webcomics-related deletions. —freak(talk) 21:32, Sep. 27, 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete NN webcomiccruft. Anomo 15:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 14:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete another nn webcomic. Eusebeus 14:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - No independent sources. Fails WP:WEB. Wickethewok 14:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sango123 01:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Slightly damned
More from my webcomic nn watchlist is Slightly damned, found here. There are 150 links for "Slightly damned" although none of these are from anything approaching a reliable source, and quite a few of them are irrelevent to the subject. This is not notable, I doubt the entire art site http://www.raizap.com/ would pass WP:WEB let alone one of its webcomics. - Hahnchen 00:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- del nn. `'mikka (t) 02:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- keep This comic is in the top 100 at Buzzcomic.net and it's online counter is 1500 shy of a million visits. Moridin 04:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I've already concurred on the delete nom, but I am curious where you found the rating on Buzzcomic.net. I visited the site and it appears to be a directory site, not a ratings service. Tychocat 06:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Buzzcomix.net definitely has rankings; they're on the front page. (This webcomic is currently 69th.) It and TopWebComics.com are (AFAICT) the main webcomics directories/ranking sites; both rank webcomics based (mainly) on number of user votes. (This has its flaws - webcomics which don't go in for that sort of thing are noticably missing - but enough webcomics take part that the rankings are still useful, as long as you understand and take into account how they work.) - makomk 16:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Keep noms may want to check WP:WEB rather than invent new policy or guidelines. Fails WP:WEB for lacking non-trivial third-party articles about the webcomic; I found a lot of directory listings and a couple of blogs. Google shows only 149 distinct hits out of a weak 735 general hits. Alexa traffic shows a three-month average of somewhere about 1.4 millionth. I don't believe Google is the final arbiter of notability, and Alexa admits its accuracy can be shaky when the ratings are that low, but I think it's symptomatic when a website can't even break a thousand on a general Google hits. Tychocat 06:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Tychocat. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 07:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Per above (Doesn't meet WP:WEB) Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 11:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't look like it meets WP:WEB -- makomk 16:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Buzzcomix is not a reliable independent source. Ohconfucius 01:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Heimstern Läufer 22:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Salo in Space
Delete Since the previous "no consensus" AFD nomination the notability of this webcomics is still close to none. What is more, it looks like it is dead since February. I previously voted to merge/redirect, because of some cultural curiosity, but now my opinion swayed. Mukadderat 02:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per previous vote. --Irpen 03:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete to my knowledge, no evidence has been presented that this topic meets WP:WEB, and the actual article certainly doesn't assert meeting that guideline, or any importance in general. I invite people to present actual evidence, but mere guesses that this might be important... maybe... should really be discounted by the closing admin. --W.marsh 03:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete NN. -Kmaguir1 08:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep.
per previous votes.Alright, per reasons given by Mikka and Mzajac in previous discussions... —dimæ [diskussion—archiv] 22:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- This is not a vote. In neither discussion have you given a reason. --W.marsh 22:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's still not really a reason, it's just a "me too" vote. Anyway every argument those two made has been countered strongly, with no response made to the challenges. Do you have evidence that the site it on is "an independent publisher" or that the comic otherwise meets WP:WEB? --W.marsh 23:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the comics.com.ua web site is the distributor of Salo in Space; it appears to be independent of the authors and is well known among its target audience population.--Riurik (discuss) 06:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Again, where's the evidence that comics.com.ua is well known? IN the previous AfD, it was mentioned that it got 400 hits per day. That's really not much... this AfD probably gets 400 hits per day. There's also no evidence that it's anything more than a free comics hosting service... which certainly wouldn't be a reason to keep if this were an english-language deal. --W.marsh 13:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I was aware of the existance of this "Salo in Space" article since the day it was created by Mzajac and Mikkalai, and I would probably agree that in part Mzajac and Mikkalai were having fun creating it, as the name "Salo in Space" sounds intriguing for those who are aware of Ukrainian culture and humor. Had the comics be named differently, they would probably not bring that much of attention. But comics' name is a part of the comics. There likely to be other comics, which deserve to me mentioned on wikipedia, and I agree that many need to be mention more than this one. But, it still does not explain the need for deletion of this one.
- After spending some time, which I could probably use for a better purpose, I should say that the reference to WP:WEB by people who want to delete this page is incorrect. The policy defines web content as "any content which is distributed solely on the internet". The comic series "Salo in Space" does not fail into this category. There is an annual Kiev International Festival of Cartoons "9 World", which takes place in Kiev Planetarium in spring of each year. The "Salo in Space" comics have been nominated for presentation at the festival as cartoons of 2005. The festival was open to public. Entrance fee was 2UAH. I think it's not a coincidence that the last "Salo in Space" comics have been released in February, as it coincides with the beginning of 2006 festival. --KPbIC 18:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- If the comisc was published elsewhere "in paper", please provide a reference. Presentation at a festival does not mean "distribution". Mukadderat 20:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- In my opinion, a nomination for an international festival does mean recognition and notability. --KPbIC 21:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Is this festival notable? If it is "international" meaning russian-ukrainian only or anyone may come and self-nominate their work then notability is dubious. It is not, like, nomination for a prize. Mukadderat 06:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- In my opinion, a nomination for an international festival does mean recognition and notability. --KPbIC 21:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- If the comisc was published elsewhere "in paper", please provide a reference. Presentation at a festival does not mean "distribution". Mukadderat 20:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as per above. Odessaukrain 21:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete This comics is not mentioned anythere outside of their website and this Festival. Even more - this festival failed to open this year - this mean it's not notable. Get major newspaper or news agency mention it - then it will be fine. There are mere 300 links to comics.com.ua - this mean people don't like it. --TAG 19:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sango123 01:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] My Nemesis
Another webcomic article which just chronicles what it's about without actually telling us why anyone should care. You can see the comic here although there are numerous links within the article itself. The website manages an Alexa rank of 2 million and the name of the website "black wave rising" generates 11 Google hits. You can see how notable and popular this website is just by reading the latest news post where it encourages everyone to vote every day on various topsites so it can make it into the top 100. - Hahnchen 00:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- del nn. `'mikka (t) 02:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete not notable. -- Gogo Dodo 04:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Tychocat 06:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, non-notable webcomic. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 07:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete nn. —Khoikhoi 08:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Per above (Doesn't meet WP:WEB) Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 11:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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The result was Deleted and redirected to List of Care Bears. (aeropagitica) (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Friend Bear
I actually deleted an article with the same subject at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friend Bear (comic) without knowing that this other article existed. They're not copies of one another, and nor is it a recreation. But I already outlined the reasons for the nomination in the previous AFD, and I'll copy them here: The webcomic can be seen here, there is no Alexa rank, although the article claims that it served 20,000 unique visitors a month. Maybe that's true, but there's no external sources about the subject that I can find. That's probably because it is not a notable website or piece of work. - Hahnchen 23:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete No google hits, the site's forum has only a couple hundred comments since 1999. A very persistent weird little page that has somehow managed to *not* become a web phenomenon and non-notable Dina 00:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. wikipediatrix 03:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per other AfD. I like the sample panel though. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Care Bears. Danny Lilithborne 03:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete no Alexa rank, one Google result. Bradcis 04:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Redirect per Danny. Powers T 14:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Care Bears, as per Danny Lilithborne's good insight! LinaMishima 16:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete the history, then recreate as a redirect to List of Care Bears per Danny Lilithborne. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 22:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete and Redirect per above. Erechtheus 02:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Rediect Erechtheus: how can you delete and redirect? Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 11:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- You delete the article -- so that the current stuff isn't available in the history -- then recreate it as a redirect. In point of fact, after a delete, anyone would be free to create the redirect as a purely editorial decision; thus, it would be helpful if everybody specifying "redirect" would clarify if they really thought leaving the current article available in the history was a good idea. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. (aeropagitica) 23:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of video games based on webcomics
It seems kind of rediculous to have such a narrow list around. 2 entries, and I doubt there will be many more. We don't need lists of every combination of things, since WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of info. (|-- UlTiMuS 09:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Delete Danny Lilithborne 10:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Mitaphane talk 10:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Merge: into List of video games based on licensed properties. Mitaphane talk 10:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong delete Silly 2-item list. One is a "real" game and one is a fan-created game which would likely not survive an AfD. Neither has even been released yet. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 10:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete the article, and mention Penny Arcade on the list noted by Mitaphane above. Like Andrew, I don't think the other game would survive an AfD, and I don't think there's any reason to not discuss that game here (in a separate AfD, obviously). Penny Arcade can simply be mentioned in the "games based on licenses" article without a redirect being created, as who would ever search "list of videogames based on webcomics"? -- Kicking222 12:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- To clarify, I don't think simply mentioning PA in the other article would constitute a "merge", since the only thing to merge would be the game's name and what it's based upon (and you could "merge" that from the article on the game itself). -- Kicking222 12:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- delete invitation for more articles about unfinished fan projects. (Should merge what's here as above.) — brighterorange (talk) 13:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, although I would remove one letter from the word "many". JIP | Talk 14:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough members to justify a list. These can be handled on List of video games based on licensed properties and split back out if there get to be a lot. Ace of Sevens 18:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as a useless list. Possibly merge into List of video games based on licensed properties. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 22:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Agree with Merge proposal. Allon FambrizziAllon Fambrizzi
- This has been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Deletion. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - You can throw the Penny Arcade game onto the List of video games based on licensed properties, but keep the Wotch one off it. The only reason that I've not nominated the fan game project for deletion is because there's a nice path finding example image in the article. - Hahnchen 02:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Merge into List of video games based on licensed properties. This is not the place to discuss the notability of The Wotch game. LinaMishima 03:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Merge then delete per Ace of Sevens, until this list has more than just two entries. RandyWang (chat/patch) 12:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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The result was no clear consensus. —Xyrael / 16:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Loserz
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Courtesy listing, nominator did not create AfD subpage. Appears to be a non-notable webcomic. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 23:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Seems to be comic published in HS newspaper. nn. Leuko 03:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Don't Delete Is not published anywhere other than on the internet. 02:05, 25 August 2006 (PST)
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- Keep Non-notable? 489 comics, active fanbase, been around for years, it's pretty damn notable if you ask me... Korinkami 21:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Not published in a HS newspaper, is an active webcomic (although updates rather sporadically). No less notable than thousands of other Wikipedia pages. Ryan Magley 22:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Loserz is NOT published anywhere else, The comic is a web exclusive that's been going for almost six years. Yes the update schedule is a bit wonky but that's hardly a reason to remove it from Wiki.Foomartini 19:11, 25 August 2006 (EST)
- Keep As per above. Established webcomic with a large archive and fanbase. -Interested2 00:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Loserz is a free unadvertised webcomic with a large fan-base, archive, and a active community of readers. -BobmanX
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- Keep Loserz is by far one fo the best webcomics out there. saying it isn't notable is like saying Biggs and Wedge (both of which have their own Wikipedia pages) from Star wars arent notable. Also, the comic in question of being publsihed in a high school newspaper may be the one in question relating to This comic.-
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- Delete The article does not assert notability, and it has an Alexa rating of 269,761. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- The Alexa rating is largely irrelevant, Wikipedia has articles on other sites with lower ratings, such as Hell.com. -Interested2 12:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, please see my post much lower down the page, you'll see that the alternate URL for the loserz comic has a much higher alexa ranking. Fyver528 20:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Also note that the message board has linked to this article and that's causing all the keeps. --FlareNUKE 05:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - The best argument for the notability of this comic is that it was in a High School newspaper? That it exists? and that it's good? There are no external sources, fails WP:V, fails WP:WEB. List of webcomics is just an advertising portal. - Hahnchen 03:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep This is an amazingly notable webcomic, that has created an enormous fanbase of diehard fans over the 6 years it has been running! User:YouAgain
- Keep Oh, come on. FlareNUKE put up this article for deletion possibly to get attention on the comic in question's forum. This is a very notable webcomic (no, not something in a high school newspaper) that used to be very high up in the rankings on several webcomic ranking sites, but gradually fell due to the writer/artist going on a several month long hiatus. It has now returned, but is still recovering. However, it is still a highly popular comic, and still active. It is apart of the webcomic group "the Gewd Guys", which is a group including webcomic goliaths such as Chugworth Academy. Do not delete this article simply because some sad little fan wanted attention on a forum. User: Snoogy — Possible single purpose account: User:Snoogy (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.
- Delete. This article fails WP:WEB and WP:V. Just because something has a fan base, doesn't mean it's actually notable - take a look at all of the YouTubers we've deleted - excluding, of course, the very most notable. Srose (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Wait so 40+ pages on Oral Sex, or the meaning of Dirty Sanchez or how many times a certain porn star has taken it up the ass is all fine. But a page about a Webcomic that's been going for almost six years is a no no? What the hell? The fact is that there really isn't much on Wiki that's treally important. So why axe one over another? If you're going to axe the Loserz entry then you should axe all of the Webcomic entries.
Foomartini 11:15, 28 August 2006 (EST)
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- Comment, Foomartini, if you have anything to add, can you add it to your previous vote, instead of voting a second time? Korinkami 11:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep* Personally, I see no reason why the entry should be deleted. In my time reading and monitoring Wikis I've seen far more pointless stuff, Loserz has an active fan community and a long and proud history (six years in the webcomic world is a very long time). If you delete this page, then you might as well start deleting pages for other webcomics as well, which is just nonsensical
MyrmidonZero 18:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep* Notable or non-notable...is it such a bad thing to leave the article up? What's the worst that could happen? It's not hurting anybody. Anyway Loserz has been linked to several other webcomic sites, and has spawned at least 100+ fan art. It should be kept. shoes22 11:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep* Come on people. Loserz has been running for six years and has an established fanbase. There are far stupider articles on wiki out there for you to delete. Foomartini makes a really good point. Articles about pornstars and the origin of the dildo is fine but a webcomic gets deleted? Give me a break.Gigaguyser 11:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete I don't really see a reason to make an attempt to delete an entire page, it's really a waste of time. But I hate the self-importance of author and his fans, so I'll go along with the deleters. IrkenRed 12:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Notable and significant fan base. Above comment is based upon irrelevant issue of how the author/fans allegedly act, so I'd have to strongly disagree with IrkenRed. I'm not a forum contributer, so my vote upon a seperate judgement basis. Fyver528 14:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC) Edit: Important comment relating to Alexa ranking The URL that the non-notability judgement was made upon was loserzcomic.com, however http://loserz.scribblekid.org/ is still widely used and was used for much longer than loserzcomic.com. It has a much higher ranking of 144,641 [1]
- Strong Keep. The comic in question not only is a notable comic in the webcomic community, holding several times high rankings in webcomic listing sites, but also has a strong active forum community that is active even when the author is on one of his many hiatuses, which are noted in the article. The webcomic is not currently a campus newspaper comic, although that's how it did start. How it began may have not been notable, but from the fans and attention Loserz has recieved it surely is notable in the webcomic community. The author is not "conceited", as I have not seen the author on this editing page. Also, the person who admittedly put the article up for deletion seems to have a bad reputation on the comics forum community. Wiki pages should not be deleted because someone doesn't like what it's about. I believe that Wikipedia is supposed to be about unbiased judgements and facts, not whimsical, arbitrary selections for acceptance and deletion and such. The facts are that loserzcomic.com does have a pretty good alexa rating for a webcomic that is being independantly published on the internet. It has an active community, and has been rated highly by webcomic rating sites in the past. This should show that, among webcomics, this comic is notable. Milam 21:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, unverifiable through reliable sources. --- Dragonfiend 03:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- KeepLong running webcomic with a large archive. The reason it fell in popularity is due to the author's long hiatus, which is now over. RogerBarnett 09:41, 31st August 2006 (GMT) ---
- Keep i have no clue why anyone would want to delete one of the most popular web comics out there from wiki...
- Keep I see no problem having this article up, there seems to be NO evidence that the article is againts any rules set up by Wikipedia and has been updately daily.--Ripster40 21:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. A whopping 188 unique Googles says this has to go. I'm sure your comic is good and all, but until you get mentioned more often it just has to go. GarrettTalk 00:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep: No reason to delete the entry. its just another piece of information, why remove it?
- Delete. Remove it because it's not notable. Notable doesn't mean it's been around a long time or it has an active fanbase or it's been rated highly and whether or not the author takes hiatuses is completely irrelevant. It means "it is known outside a narrow interest group or constituency, or should be because of its particular importance or impact." A lot of great things in the world aren't notable. Nothing personal fans. Flying Jazz 01:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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