User talk:Wikiklrsc

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[edit] Searching

I've added another note anonymously on the help desk. Basically, some things are delayed more than we want to. Updating indexes requires some manual actions on the part of developers, I believe and I'm not sure how often it's done. You could try searching Wikipedia using Google or Yahoo! - they usually update sooner. But I wouldn't worry about this. It may take some time, but eventually your article is gonna be found. with a "search" query too. Can you find it using WikiWax? - Mgm|(talk) 08:15, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

  • You might not know how to post messages in wikipedia, but that last one reached me fine. I think your best shot is asking one of the developers why it's so slow. - Mgm|(talk) 20:54, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • I've never checked how long it took. So can't say that I know how long it usually takes. I'm just confident it will work eventually. You can check the contributions of these developers, try asking one that contributed today or yesterday if you want a quick response. - Mgm|(talk) 21:10, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jane Gazzo

Oh, sorry, i didn't know. It been a while since i caught the show. --Boothy443 | comhrá 22:46, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] John Peel

Thanks Wikiklrsc, I had forgotten that he'd phoned in an article to the Liverpool Echo, though at the time he had pretended to be a reporter. On the 1st Marriage I don't know why you've modified my edit on that as it is accurate (source: Peel's autobiography & a few websites). You say the modification was "due to being unclear on the motivation of prior edits by "AllanHainey"" - my motivation is to have a full & complete wikipedia entry. I will check Peels autobiography tonight for more details & re-add info on this, as a 1st marriage (especially to a 15 year old) is a significant part of his life & should be included. If you've got any objection or reason not to include this we can discuss it on the talk page. Thanks for confirming the computer programmer bit - I hadn't seen any reference to it on the web or autobiography so I assumed it was false. AllanHainey 15:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, just to let you know I checked out the computer programmer bit in Peels autobiography, he worked for Republic National Life Insurance, Dallas, filing cards for an IBM 1410 (punched card using computer) in 1963. I've noted this in the article but I haven't described it as computer programming though as it seems to have been mostly a clerical filing job rather than programming as we know it. AllanHainey 12:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I've edited the article slightly to note the Who's who entry.AllanHainey 11:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Natasha

Looks good! Thanks for keeping me in the loop. Zerbey 20:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BBC

Hi Bob, yes I noticed that with some suprise. I wold have thought WP:ISNOT a listings magazine. It would be great if we had a database which enabled us to find out what was on Radio 4 on 12 October 1955 (The Dreaded Batter-Pudding Hurler of Bexhill-on-Sea), but that is currently unfeasible. I would suggest that if these schedules become significantly out of date, they are removed (or updated if someone can be bothered), otherwise they can be left. Same message left on article talk page. Rich Farmbrough 22:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Howard Smith's article

Yep, I'm happy with using depression (mood). It's often a bit tricky to know which of those two to use, corrections are always welcome :) I've made the change -- sannse (talk) 13:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BBC articles internal links to non-existent articles

The usual policy is to link to any article that is likely to be written. The idea is that this encourages readers who come across a blank link to start the missing article. The different colours of the links should be enough to show whether the link leads to an active article or not. Of course, if no one is ever likely to write the article, there is no point in having a link - it's all a matter of judgement and, to some extent, of style. Hope this helps -- sannse (talk) 11:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dead links.

Consensus seems to be that one or two dead links are OK, and may even encourage people to start articles, many are a bad thing. I agree. Rich Farmbrough 12:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes I agree with your point, on the other hand WP is a work in progress. I've left a message for the anon user, who has also worked on some announcers, so perhaps is planning on doing the rest... There's little harm in delinking red-links, unless someone's clearly got a project in progress. Also many people would not agree with the mutliple links (to the same target) in these lists. I do (although it's a judgement call) because I don't think people should have to search a list for the first occurance of, and because it looks tidier for all to be linked rather than 75%. 11:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maxim article

That article is a prime VFD candidate if you really want my opinion :) I don't read the magazine myself so can't comment on its validity. (Although that Hollaback Girl song is annoying). Zerbey 21:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The matter of Dr. James R. Russell's article

[ ...The article under discussion is that of Professor/Dr. James R. Russell...]

Hi Bob. That seems fair enough, I've removed the notice and commented on the talk page. Hopefully any issues can be worked out there -- sannse (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Bob, looks like you already have this resolved but let me know if you still need any assistance. Zerbey 21:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bob, I've left a message on Dsc's talk page to ask him to discuss this, and I see you have reverted (I'm an ex-member of the arbitration committee by the way :) But the main thing is not to panic, and not to edit-war. It doesn't matter if the banner is there for a day or so, these things will be sorted in time. In fact, it's better to have the banner for a day than to get into a dispute over it. Calm and slow is best :) -- sannse (talk) 22:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Sannse speaks sense. I will try to keep an eye. Rich Farmbrough 22:23 27 February 2006 (UTC).
Bob I agree with the above comments, it looks like it has been resolved now anyway. I wouldn't be too worried, or in such a rush to recruit allies, Dsc only put on a "needs attention" banner, personally I don't think it does but the worst that could happen is that the article would be improved. More likely than not after discussion by interested users on the talk page the banner would be removed anyway. AllanHainey 11:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bob, Dsc is now talking on the article talk page, which is great. He feels that the subject is not notable enough for an article. I've explained that the route to go if that is his opinion is to take it to Articles for deletion. I know it will worry you if he does that (it involves a much larger and more unpleasant looking banner for about five days) but, if that is his opinion, this is the best way to sort out the question. This may mean a short-term ugliness in the article, but it means the question of notability will be resolved one way or the other in the longer term. -- sannse (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure, although I have limited Wikipedia time at the moment (new job) so am not able to keep that close an eye on what's going on -- sannse (talk) 22:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It appears that this is a conflict peripheral to Armenian Genocide. Oh boy! Rich Farmbrough 21:59 28 February 2006 (UTC).
Yes, it does seem that it's connected there - that tends to raise the temperature somewhat -- sannse (talk) 22:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Bob - see my comments of the articles talk page. Rich Farmbrough 22:30 28 February 2006 (UTC).
It looks good. Bob, I don't suppose you have a GFDL photo? :) Rich Farmbrough 10:44 2 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Wikimail

Bob, I think it's a new protection against wikimail spamming. Click on where it says, and press confirm, you should get an email. Check that the link in the email makes sense (I haven't looked at mine yet), and the you will be able to confirm that you want to recevie wikimail. Rich Farmbrough 18:41 2 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Soul

My apologies--I was tracking the contributions of an editor who was inserting POV in almost all the articles they edited--I think I inadvertantly reverted valid edits in one or more articles. I gave up on the task when I realized I wasn't being careful enough. Nareek 17:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I reverted most of my reversions--a lesson for me about overenthusiasm. Actually, it was nice to see how well WP responded to POV--the edits I was "reverting" were mostly gone long before I got there. Nareek 17:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plato

The problem was that the addition of the parenthesis in "Plato wrestled at the Isthmian games(and he was very good at it)." (even leaving aside the formatting and syntax) was both vague and rather weak. Moreover, I don't honestly think that his wrestling prowess is important enough for us to spend much time on in an article like this, but if it were, it still wouldn't really belong in the summary. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Broadcasting House

I don't know why you were told not to use this system, it was introduced in December to replace the template system which has several problems. I personally disagree that this system makes the article harder to edit, I find it much easier to have the note associated with its text. Additionally, when changing the flow of an article with the system the references section never gets out of sync.

I changed the section header to "Notes & references" both because the external links appeared to me to be sources that could be used to verify the facts presented, i.e. references, and as an encouragement to other editors to add references to support each claim made in the article. It's not something I'm going to argue over though. Joe D (t) 00:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bot changes

Yeah, that was my fault. I think it should be Category:Radio DJs in the UK I would fix it myself but I have to get offline, if you could fix them manually I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 22:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re; Bulleting/non-bulleting footnotes

Hi Bob, I've replied to your note on my talk page there ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

And again. Paul August ☎ 20:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City College Edit

Thanks for a good catch on the City College article re Rocky and tuition. That was a gross error and I am ashamed I didn't catch it myself! -- Fred

P.S. Small world! I just saw a notation above re James Russell. Knew him many years ago. Has done great work. Pleased to see the article on him.

Thanks, Fred. The CCNY edit had me a bit bewildered ! Yes, Dr. Milgram's Small world phenomenon works again ! Dr. James R. Russell is a very interesting and prolific scholar in his field. Perhaps we have crossed paths, too, to complete the circle. Best Wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 16:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song of Innocence

I think you're right... maybe I'm just blind... all music lists it as singular... I'll move it now. Thanks for pointing that out. gren グレン 22:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Wait, this link shows a re-release cover with "songs" not "song"... I really don't know. gren グレン 22:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Litchfield West

Please read WP:Peacock. Surely West's work can stand by itself without all this advertising. Also, asserting that he is the fore-runner of studies on the interplay between the Greeks and the Orient is a vast overstatement. In particular, one major work on the relations between the Greeks and shamanism was published in 1951, when West was 14.

Regards, Septentrionalis 05:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Mitford and West

Mitford wrote in 1827, and IIRC his assertions depend on the existing Orphica being genuine, which there is now scholarly consensus against. I would prefer not to source anything (at least anything that is a conjecture about Greek prehistory) from Mitford, and very little from Grote. We know more than either of them did - and both of them are deeply involved in their arguments over the Reform Bill and the Establishment of the Church of England, as much as Greek history.

Lengthy quotes on Greek mythology would be preferable if drawn from Eliade, Harrison, and Dodds, as the people who actually established the present position.

May I recommend this style[1] of footnote, which numbers automatically and permits footnotes to stay in line. Septentrionalis 19:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

  1. ^ Edit the text to see how this is done; the references tag catches all the footnotes.
My apologies, however,for reverting the anonymous restoration. That was not my intention; I thought I had merely failed to save an edit. Septentrionalis 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I should of course have included Rohde; perhaps if I'd actually read him he would have occurred to me... Please do keep editing, btw. Septentrionalis 20:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rm of external link

If it happens again leave a message oin the anon's talk page. Suggest you leave a note on the talk page for the article. If no diaglogue can be established let me know. Rich Farmbrough 15:12 13 June 2006 (GMT).

Let's see what happens. Rich Farmbrough 17:47 14 June 2006 (GMT).
I will check if I remember. Luckily it's not a major change. Rich Farmbrough 17:50 14 June 2006 (GMT).
Incidentally it may be because it's a blog, we rarely link to them. See WP:EL. Rich Farmbrough 17:58 14 June 2006 (GMT).

[edit] JG

Hi Bob source found, and included. Rich Farmbrough 08:18 23 June 2006 (GMT).

[edit] IBM

Hi Bob, It's amazing isn't it. I'd seen it before, but lost the url. It's a pity they didn't make it pen source. Rich Farmbrough 13:32 1 July 2006 (GMT).

Basically if there is (there was, recently), it's not a good idea to do it because of WP:BEANS. However there is a discussion on meta about this, I have added a comment. Rich Farmbrough 21:35 1 July 2006 (GMT).
Incidentally the software is available, per the external links. Rich Farmbrough 18:33 2 July 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Edits by User:RandyS0725

Bob, thanks for the heads-up. RandyS0725's edits are a mixed bag. He seems to be relying exclusively on websites as sources, with predictable results: some of the information he's adding is potentially useful, but unsourced, while other things are plainly inaccurate. I'm not sure what to do on many of the articles, as they're fairly obscure figures and I don't have access to a decent library at the moment. Most of them should probably be reverted, but I hate wiping out a new user's contributions so completely. --Akhilleus (talk) 06:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been reverting the ones I don't believe; most of the ones I've left look like either genuine minor corrections or Hesiod. But he seems to be gone; I don't think I bit that hard. Septentrionalis 14:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cyclopean structures

Bob, I'm involved in what seems to be an irresolvable dispute over at Cyclopean structures. I've created a RfC, would you care to comment at Talk:Cyclopean structures? --Akhilleus (talk) 17:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC) Thanks for commenting, we'll see if it gets us anywhere... --Akhilleus (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

Hi Bob, it's an AOL vandal, and has carried on, so I've instituted a short block. Cheers, Rich Farmbrough 20:48 25 July 2006 (GMT).

I've semi-protcted the page, for a few ays, but it's not good practice really. Are you sure the "Lemon drizzle cake" is untrue? Rich Farmbrough 21:57 9 August 2006 (GMT).
I've just asked User:Voice of All if his bot can guard the article, which may be a solution. Rich Farmbrough 22:07 9 August 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Picture on the Homelessness article

See User talk:Ericd Ericd 16:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

More comments on User talk:Ericd Ericd 22:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts

Perhaps? There is, after all, more than one Boston. Rich Farmbrough 18:41 13 August 2006 (GMT).

Indeed, I'm just down the road from Boston Lincs. Naming conventions (place names) "allows" any of the following I think:

and possibly

There may be a Massachusetts project that has it's own conventions. Incidentally redirects are fairly harmless. Rich Farmbrough 19:35 13 August 2006 (GMT).
Incidentally, while I don't think there are any other LI's in MA, that's why I suggested Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts as more explicit. Rich Farmbrough 19:37 13 August 2006 (GMT).

Hi. Unfortunately none of this discussion got recorded on the article's talk page. So I was blissfully unaware of it when I renamed Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts to Long Island (Massachusetts. If I'd known I would have discussed it first. Still I stand by my reasoning - please see Talk:Long Island (Massachusetts). -- Chris j wood 09:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clare Nasir's article

I've blocked the IP for an hour. If it happens again I may sprotect the article and block the IP. Rich Farmbrough 21:14 23 August 2006 (GMT).

Incidentally it was about a day before it was vandalised. Rich Farmbrough 21:19 23 August 2006 (GMT).
Blocked 15 min and sprotected. Rich Farmbrough 18:31 25 August 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Changes on Statistics

Could you explain everything you did recently on the Statistics page? Preferably do it on the talk page. You made some pretty big changes (good changes, as far as I can tell), and I think it warrants a bit of explanation. Thank you. Chris53516 21:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Loppington

Hi there - these infoboxes are usually only used for towns in England, not villages or parishes. We can keep it, but it is an anomaly. David 08:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

We might as well leave it now - I've filled out the gaps in the information. David 14:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The "Shuts of Shrewsbury" section of the Shrewsbury Forum is entirely written, and photos taken, by myself (the "Proud Salopian"). I put that link into the History of Shrewsbury article. Not sure whether it would be wise for each shut to have an article on Wikipedia, but maybe a Shrewsbury shuts or Shuts of Shrewsbury article? David 20:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tragedy article edits

My bad on that. I had noticed a person "blanked" paged it, then just copy and pasted the original back, at about the same time the bot did. My bad. Thanks for the heads up. Bevo873 19:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)Bevo873

[edit] homeless article going to hell

The homeless http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homelessness&action=history article has gone to hell, sockpupets reverting vandals. I see you care about the page, please fix it.Patcat88 22:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you have it (mostly) under control. I would agree, though, that the article is U.S.-centric, and needs some of the "archeolofy" removing from it. See my comments on the talk page. Rich Farmbrough 17:35 26 August 2006 (GMT).
s/archeolofy/archaeology/ :) Rich Farmbrough 18:08 26 August 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Questionable links ? added by an anonymous editor

Hi Rich. User:74.130.68.242 (User talk:74.130.68.242) (Special:Contributions/74.130.68.242) added a specific link [1] to many articles, including the article on a Homeless shelter, in order to collect a list of shelters in various US states. I wonder if it belongs in Wikipedia as it appears, although seemingly altruistic, a non-informational solicitation. Thoughts? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc

loks like whomp has it under control. Rich Farmbrough 22:29 27 August 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Long Island

Hi Bob, when you move an article use the Move tab, not cut and paste. This will move the talk page and history. Rgds, Rich Farmbrough 10:21 28 August 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Image:P7032101 small2.jpg

What do you think of using this picture on the Homelessness article as the lead-in? This is another featured picture on Commons. howcheng {chat} 16:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I meant replacing the current photo of the woman in Nice with this. howcheng {chat} 17:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homeless

I only added the picture because one of the statements in the paragraph stated that some homless people are panhandling to get money for purchase of drugs or alcohol in the accompaning paragraph. But if you believe it is better for the article not to have it, that's all right with me. I just took the picture the other day, and the homeless guy was really happy as he was flashing his sign around everywhere to get money. I wasn't sure if it was in the best interest of the page, but I figured I would add it to show the perspective of the homeless person as well. But thank you for removing it if it was not with the encyclopedic value of the article. Sorry for the trouble. --Nehrams2020 19:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiquote

I think that including famous quotes will create endless debate regarding which ones should be included. Some other examples: "Money can't buy happiness, but neither can poverty." "Poverty is the schoolmaster of character." "The most terrible poverty is loneliness and the feeling of being unloved." Also, such brief quotes do not usually contain much factual information, they usually express an opinion, although usually in a striking way. So I think Wikiquote is better, the article should include this template to show that there are quotes in Wikiquote.Ultramarine 16:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to:

[edit] Sister projects

Hi Bob, I have as they say, "an issue" with the idea that if a sister project exists, material deemed here as suitable for it, must be excised. In particular "dicdefs" dictionary definitions are often transwiki'd, but are not the stuff of Wiktionary, and there is resistance to having "source" material since it "belongs" in wikisource. These ideas do not, in my opinion, address the problem of a.) WP on other media (paper, CD Rom) or b) the changing nature of sister projects. For example I understand there's been a "purge" at wikibooks. Rich Farmbrough, 19:23 8 September 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Harrisburg State Hospital

Greetings, Bob. You do have a point there that sometimes an external link just isn't enough. And agreed, the Internet Wayback Machine is limited. But in this case, is the whole press release necessary? It mostly speaks about the production team's technique on transforming one of the abandoned buildings for the film. It may be a good idea to paraphrase part of it, specifically the part about which building on the campus was utilized for the filming, but I generally don't like extensive "trivia" sections. They're useful to connect two topics and provide links and resources for further investigation if the user is so inclined, but they need not spell every detail out on this article's page. My humble opinion, of course. If an when the website link disappears, you could still cite the press release as a source without a link. And if inclusion of a partial source is the reason, then I should be typing up whole chapters of books for some of the articles that I've created! But then we'd venture from the land of merrily including footnotes to the land of copyright violation. And again, agreed, in-article quotations are useful, but from a press release from a film made in one of the buildings? Maybe if the director or producer had said something about the architecture or history of the building.

Oh, one more thing. I also doubt that website as a source. I'm not sure it's quoting the full press release. Look at the last paragraph. "Konrad" is used without a first name or title for the first time in the press release. Best, Rkitko 17:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Greetings again. Yes, I had forgotten about the Girl, Interrupted (film) footnote. I surfed back on to that article and was reminded about the note. I removed it like the other. If you're really concerned about loss of information from that website, I would suggest including that information--paraphrased, of course--in the article and citing the information anyway. Even if the site does disappear into the ether of the internet, I would still consider the cited information verifiable. Cheers, Rkitko 21:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homelessness photo

Hi Bob, thanks for the note: I'll move the photograph. I didn't realize the history behind the page; I'm trying to be prolific (with quality, not simply quantity), so I don't necessarily have time to look at the histories of all the pages. Thanks for letting me know - Dave. --DavidShankBone 20:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bob - I'll have to check out about the squash court - didn't know! It seems like this issue about the Homelessness in the United States and worldwide is, well, the US has the worst problem with it out of the developed countries. I'm sure Zimbabwe and a few other impoverished countries also have their fair share, though. Keep up the good work! And thanks for the compliments. --DavidShankBone 20:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Bob, that one photo was the first I had planned in a series I've thought about for the last six months or so. They aren't mean to have a point of view; they are only meant to document. If you want to keep up with it, the gallery can be found her: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DavidShankBone#STREET_SLEEPERS --DavidShankBone 06:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Bob, I'm very flattered by the links and it will be interesting to see if they stay. What you did is also interesting in terms of my experiment on this site, which I plan to make the subject of a grant proposal. It will be interesting to see if the WP community is ready to start accepting some of its own User's original work as worthy of referential inclusion--at least as far as images go. I updated the links and I put in a little paragraph explaining the series, which is very simple. I will also take your advice and work to obscure faces enough to render them unrecognizable. About a year or two ago New York Magazine did one of those "You know you're a New York when..." articles (or was it Time Out?) and one of the entries was, "...when your local homeless person goes missing and you start to get worried." There is one guy named Eddie who has lived on 4th Street between Avenue A and Avenue B as long as I have, which is five years. He is Street Sleeper No. 2. He pets my dogs, I talk to him; I've bought him some bottles of booze (after five years, he's chosen his life--I'm not going to be sanctimonious about what he needs), given him alot of my well-made shoes (that are worn down for me) and other items. Batteries, etc. But still, there is another woman who has been in the neighborhood just as long. She is walking chaos. The very depiction of all-consuming addiction: her face is always flushed red and looking bumpy. It resembles, if you can imagine, a face that has spasmed so often from the highs and lows of addiction that there are knots in the muscles; lumps that need the attention of a deep tissue massage. Unlike Eddie, I've never spoken to her. She is angry and always coming down. I last saw her a week ago. She was in horrible shape; she was standing/leaning against a railing on Avenue B and 6th Street, seemingly convulsing. Shaking or something. I walked by her slowly. I had my camera, but I thought it would be so rude to take her photograph. But I have regretted not doing so ever since. Because this woman has a story, and at the very least, a lesson to tell. She goes ignored except by other vagrants (and even they shy away from her). Maybe she is in rehab, or jail. Maybe that was the last day she was alive. And now she's lost forever. That's why I started doing the series. "You know your a New Yorker when..." I'd say so. Thanks for so many high compliments. --DavidShankBone 14:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: Here is the link Street Sleepers --DavidShankBone 14:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Randy

Yes, I see; he does seem to be acting in good faith, and most of the edits are minor. The only extensive edit is this compound edit of Theogony; and without looking up Hesiod, I'm not sure it's worse than what was there before. (Feel free to fix it, if necessary; I only gave it a glance) If you're concerned, leave him a note; I think he mostly edits for attention anyway. Septentrionalis 18:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Do keep an eye on him; many of his edits have been, and deserved to be, reverted. But there is no real recourse short of blocking, which is unwarranted. Septentrionalis 18:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to drag things out. Btw, how is your NT Greek? Can you help with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zoe (Spiritual Life)? Septentrionalis 19:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FORTRAN article and 3-way branch on 704 ?

I double checked right after doing it, and inserted some corrections. Actually there was a 3-way skip (CAS) instruction but I don't think it was an optimal way to do the arithmetic IF. -- RTC 23:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

For what it is worth, I had been told the same thing when I first learned Fortran (about the 704 3-way branch). But when I researched the 704 instruction set it didn't make sense. However if anyone can prove that the original FORTRAN always used the CAS instruction to implement arithmetic IFs, then it should be clarified. However I can't find this at this time. -- RTC 23:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I found the following at [2]:

The FREQUENCY statement disappeared for two reasons, as far as I can tell. The first is that it didn't improve the code much; changing the order of the "branch if greater" vs. the "branch if less" instructions after a test made little difference...

This appears to suggest that the Transfers (TZE, TMI, TPL) were used, as they could be reordered to reduce the number of machine cycles. CAS always took 2 machine cycles, then the TRA that it skipped to took 1 more. -- RTC 20:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at that 704 manual on Bitsavers when I added the explanation about Transfers vs. the 3-way skip (CAS) to the Fortran article. -- RTC 20:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the IF structure was inspired by the CAS, but the compiler could optimize it the Transfers as needed. However as CAS considered -0 and +0 to be different and the TZE & TNZ considered them to be the same, I think that the original FORTRAN didn't even use CAS, but instead generate the following code:

TZE n2
TMI n1
TPL n3
-- RTC 16:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FORMAT and the I/O Library on 704

Another thing I heard is that the coding of the FORMAT statement in FORTRAN was that of an already existing 704 I/O Library that the compiler linked in. This should probably be added to the article, if it is verifiable. -- RTC 16:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freemasonry article & Manly Palmer Hall's STOAA

We definitely will need to discuss adding Hall to the Freemasonry page bibliogrophy, as Hall was definitely NOT a 33 degree Mason, and was not all that well-versed in the Craft and its symbolisms. The book was published in 1928, when he was only 27. According to the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon, Hall was initiated in 1954, when he was 53 years old (and did not go through the Scottish Rite to achieve the 33rd degree). While he may, or may not have been well-versed in esoterica in general, very little he says relates to actual Freemasonry. Blueboar 22:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the reference to Hall being given the 33rd degree in 1973 that is in the article on him. You may notice that I have asked for a citation on that... this is the first I have ever heard of this claim. It does not ring true to me... The 33rd degree is usually given in a ceremony held at a Scottish Rite temple such as the House of the Temple in Washington DC ... it would not have been held at the PRS. It may have been granted by an irregular fringe body... and thus not be legit.
However, even if he was granted the 33rd degree in '73, it has no bearing on his book... The Secret Teachings of All Ages was written 45 years before then, and well before he even became a Mason (by some twenty years). He had no accurate understanding of Freemasonry or scholastic authority at that time. The book is pure speculation, and most of it is wrong. And, no, his book is definitely NOT read in masonic circles. Most Masons have never heard of him... indeed most of those who know of it are either occultists incorrectly assuming that Masonry is an occult philosophy, or Anti-masons who quote passages from it out of context to try and "prove" Masons are satan worshipers or some such hooey. Sorry to disapoint you. Blueboar 16:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding on this issue. You are correct in that Harmony is the support of all intitutions (even Wikipedia). If this were a reading list for experienced Masons... ones who were already familiar with the facts of what the Craft is all about and had the wisdom to sift the fact from the speculation, I would not hesitate to include the book... However, the Freemasonry article here is more of an introduction to the Craft for those who do not know much about the fraternity. I would not want such people to form their opinions based on such questionable work... when it comes to Hall, I have learned to apply the new name I was given while standing in the NE corner of the lodge... Caution. Blueboar 18:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Bob, I have been able to enquire at the source (I called someone at Scottish Rite)... and it turns out you were correct. Hall was given an honorary 33rd. This does not change my objection to inclusion of SToAA, however, as the honor was granted many, many years after the book was published. In any event, I hope you will continue to contribute to the Freemasonry article. S&F Blueboar 22:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Fortran -- adding original article

If Fortran is of interest, use the history there to access the 22:04 25 August 2006 version. You'll find lots: quotes, links, papers, manuals, ....

btw, one of the manuals linked for Fortran II, "System Manual for 704 and 709 Fortran", has the IF statement generated code.

enjoy

User:69.106.254.246 (User talk:69.106.254.246) 06:22, 19 September 2006

[edit] History of Boston, Massachusetts article map x 2

Hi Beland. You added that nice 1888 map of Boston harbour to the History of Boston, Massachusetts article. It appears now twice in that article. I presume that was your intention. It looks fine, unless someone objects to duplication. It's a really good historic map. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC) (talk)

Oops, I hadn't noticed that! I removed the first instance...I'm trying to get a collection of maps showing the geography at different times, all in a row. It should be easy to find a replacement picture for the chronology section...thanks for pointing that out! -- Beland 20:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Beland. Ah ... I see. Thanks for letting me know. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 20:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boston maps

Hi Beland. An interesting collection of maps (Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection) is located at the library at Uni Texas, Austin. Even or especially old maps ! To wit.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/

And for Boston and Massachusetts if that's your interest...

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/boston_1842.jpg

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/massachusetts.html

Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 12:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC) (talk)

Good idea! I've gone ahead and uploaded the historic Boston maps and linked some of them from History of Boston, Massachusetts. -- Beland 19:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Pharmakos

Bob, the text you restored is superior in terms of accuracy and verifiability; the anon's rewrite might have been in good faith, but the footnoted references do not support what s/he wrote. There is one piece of information in the anon's edit that would be good to put in the article--the ambiguity of pharmakon, which means both medicine and poison. Unfortunately, the anon attached this characteristic to the pharmakos instead, with the sentence "That which can cure can kill."

Thanks for bringing this article to my attention, I hadn't seen it before. I like what you're doing with it. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notes v. References in the Boston Harbor Islands article

Hi Bob.

You write:

Hi Chris. You changed the "Notes" section in the article on Boston Harbor Islands to "References" saying "Call References References". Well, I didn't put those items in, as I remember, and they are rather odd "footnotes" (they _use_ the footnote mechanism) and I don't think worth being footnoted.

Actually I put them in, and then somebody else changed the section title. They do not use the footnote mechanism, but rather the Wikimedia reference mechanism (<ref> and <references>), which was specifically added to Wikimedia to ease the addition of references. And that is how they are being used here.

For example, citing the current ferry schedule seems superficial, etc. There are usually several parts of the postlogue to an article: See Also, Notes, References, Bibliography, and then External links. I am not sure the Notes for this article are really needed. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 13:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC) (User talk:Wikiklrsc)

I absolutely agree that if viewed as notes, the ferry schedule is indeed superficial and probably unnecessary. But it isn't intended as a note; it is intended as a reference and as such is essential to citing my sources, as required by WP:CITE, WP:NOR and WP:V. Specifically it is the source of the statement in the article Georges Island and Spectacle Island are served throughout the year by ferries to and from Boston and Quincy, connecting on weekends and summer weekdays with a shuttle boat to several other islands. Similar arguments apply to the other reference cited.

Of course it is possible to argue that the above access statement is a bit superficial and non-encyclopedic. But I felt it at least gave a feel to readers about where the islands sit on the accessibility to remoteness scale. -- Chris j wood 15:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calf Island (Massachusetts)

Hi Bob. You write:

I have been working with the resident historian and archivist of Long Island (Massachusetts) to get many of my source documents and I have gotten a lot of material and unpublished City of Boston reports. For the moment, I can't really verify that Calf Island (Massachusetts) was called "Apthorps Island" although Charles Apthorp owned both Long Island (at some point for a while whilst others like Nelon owned it as well and it had been called "Nelson's Island" et al.) and Calf Island. I will look into it further. I don't have my documents here right now. I shall have to look into it. In the interim, any thoughts?

The only reference to that name I'm aware of it is in the 'factsheet' for the island, on the Boston Harbor Islands Partnership web site at http://www.bostonislands.org/factsheet_template.asp?rsIslands__MMColParam=calf, where Apthorps Island is explicitly indicated as an alternative name. Superficially these factsheets seem reasonably well researched, but it isn't clear from the web site by whom. Perhaps your contact may know, as there is a similar sheet on Long Island. -- Chris j wood 10:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Temple

Please do not remove the speedy tag from articles you created. If you disagree, add {{hangon}} below the tag, but do not remove it. Mapetite526 22:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Bob, I'm a bit out of my depth with Thomas Temple, but the problem seems to be that the article does not establish why he's a notable figure. Your comments on the article's talk page go some way to establish this, but adding a sentence to the article explaining why he's important would help; something like "his correspondence is an important source for the early history of Canada", for instance. Sorry I can't help more, but I have very little knowledge of this period of history. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've got him linking up with List of Acadian governors and that confusing period. Stormbay 18:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

    • Fair enough! I can't imagine why the article had a speedy delete on it...happy editing! Stormbay 22:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clare Nasir and the vandal

Hi Rich. Of course, User:195.93.21.33 continues to vandalise Clare Nasir's article ! Luckily someone else found it this time. (cf. User_talk:195.93.21.33#Vandalism_of_Clare_Nasir.27s_article_again) Is there nothing that can be reasonably done ? I know, I know ... Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 19:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC) (talk)

Extended block this time. Rich Farmbrough, 20:25 14 October 2006 (GMT).
I have less patience with AOL IPs now, there are so many ways for the innocent to avoid being caught. Rich Farmbrough, 20:25 14 October 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Boston Harbor

Thanks for your kind comments, and the excellent work on Loppington. I actually find I prefer to work on subjects that aren't too close to home (in an emotional more than geographical sense). Both because it gives me a degree of detachment which I think helps in the context of an encyclopedia, but also because it forces me to research things and learn about interesting things in the process.

On the other hand I find I do need to have a sketch in my head as to what a subject is like, and in the context of geographical places it is quite hard to get that without breathing the air at least once. So I rarely write about a place I've never been to, but equally rarely about somewhere I have a lot of recent experience of. In the case of Boston Harbor and its islands, my experience was a fairly mundane two or three days holiday bolted onto the end of a business trip to Boston in June this year. A cruise on the harbor one day; a day trip to Georges Island by ferry another day. Everything else is from researching the web.

I'd certainly no intention at the time of getting quite so carried away with the subject. But it is strange the way that sometimes a subject creeps up on you like that. -- Chris j wood 19:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The new bibliography references are great. You obviously have a big advantage over me in terms of access to the printed page, whilst I'm more or less forced to rely on things I can get to electronically. Keep up the good work. -- Chris j wood 11:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:162.39.180.2 link-spammed a lot of Education related articles

Hi Rich. User:162.39.180.2 just put a spurious external link (under the guise of a link called "Education Software") into many many articles on education, etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=162.39.180.2) Unfortunately, I just now don't have time to fix them. I just wanted to point it out. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC) (talk)

User:Zuzz has reverted all except one, now fixed. Thanks for letting me know. Rich Farmbrough, 19:18 27 October 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Wei Wu Wei

I have to admit I've never heard of Wei Wu Wei before. What sort of information does his book contain about Zen, and what makes it an important source for the article?—Nat Krause(Talk!) 01:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pi link

You asked why I removed the link you added. It's because the linked-to article 1) is not really about pi at all, but about the philosophical concept of perfection; 2) is not particularly good quality; 3) is not written by anyone noteworthy; 4) is not published anyplace special; 5) has no references to other work; 6) contains bizarre assertions like "Pi exists and life exists because Pi is the ONLY equation that allows LIFE to exist." All in all, it doesn't contribute to the Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. --Macrakis 22:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harry M. Caudill/Appalachian Regional Commission

Hi. I had these articles on my watchlist and noticed your changes. I've in turn made some changes and noted them on the talk pages for discussion and consensus-building.

With the Caudill article, I was concerned about NPOV and general structure -- I just haven't seen amazon-style discussions in other authors' articles. Maybe the WikiProject Books folks might have some ideas on this -- I left a note there.

In the other case, it was more about editorial emphasis (how critical was Caudill to the ARC's formation?).

I saved the text I deleted from the articles on the talk pages so that it can be added back in. --A. B. 03:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the Birdwatching article and the revert of "The Falconer of Central Park"

Hi Bob, apologies, I should have explained the birdwatching change, too much of a hurry.

This is a a global page, and a book based on one park in one city in one country is a bit parochial. If the book fits anywhere, you will see that there is a link to a page of notable bird books. sorry again for not explaining, jimfbleak 18:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homeless man photo

I don't feel strongly about it; if you think it's a bad idea to have it in the article, go ahead and take it out. I won't be offended. —Chowbok ☠ 16:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I've taken it out. Thanks for the notes; after looking that over I feel this picture just unnecessarily opens a can of worms. —Chowbok ☠ 20:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for the info

thanks for the link on the photography subject. Emerman 19:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I'll put the link on my front User page. I'm about to clear out my rambling babble of me yammering from my talk page, now that I finally "get it" about the fair use stuff chowbok attempted to introduce me to (i was hard headed like a lot of them in hearing the news. I wish there were a way to get the latest news on policy changes in email newsletter form from wikipedia). Emerman 19:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Homelessness

Thanks for your input. I actually like the current configuration of images: I think they're balanced and of appropriate size. We should not make an effort to hide the faces of homeless people because doing so dehumanizes them. If showing their faces evokes sympathy, so be it; it's not my intention, though. -- WGee 02:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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