User talk:Wiglaf archive 6

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[edit] Image Tagging Image:Haglaz.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:Haglaz.gif. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag, so its copyright status is therefore unclear. Could you add a tag to let us know its copyright status? (If you created/took the picture then you can use {{gfdl}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{fairuse}}.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know on the image description page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Otherwise, see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. Thanks so much. --Michael 13:48, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kura-Araxes culture

See my discussion at Talk:Kura-Araxes_culture#Merging_with_Kuro-Araxes_culture --FourthAve 19:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Urals

I've made a map centered on the Urals now: Image:Urals_blank_map.png. dab (ᛏ) 15:12, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

the entire Volga is on it, too, man :) dab (ᛏ) 15:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Linear Band Ware culture

I merged the THREE articles into a new name space, Linear Band Ware culture following Mallory's usage. User_talk:Juro midway moved it to Linear pottery culture, stepping on my final save. I even left a note on the first save that a merge was in progress. I do not want a revert war, but I did leave a note in the talk pages about my intention to merge under this name. Linear pottery culture does not exist in English: it's either LBK, Linearbandkeramik or the choice I made, following Mallory. --FourthAve 21:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Notwithstanding the fact I have never ever heard of it? --FourthAve 22:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

The overwhelming favorite is German LBK: Results 1 - 10 of about 4,260 for Linearbandkeramik. 536 for "Linear pottery culture". and nearly zilch for Linear Band Wear. I'd opt for Linearbandkeramik.--FourthAve 22:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

You cannot use normal google, because you do not know whether the texts are English texts/texts written by native speakers (many of them are German etc.) and you do not know whether they have been written by experts. You must (if at all) use Google Print (I hope I do not have to copy the book titles containing "Linear Pottery" from there to this page...)Juro 23:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

about 671 English pages for Linearbandkeramik; and as I said, this is how I first learned it (as well as LBK). If you are suggesting linear band pottery gets misspelled, I suspect Linearbandkeramik gets misspelled just as much. I just looked into the index of Lord Renfrew's book; I regret to reporty he uses linear pottery culture. --FourthAve 23:30, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

No, I want to suggest the following: See http://print.google.com/print?q=%22linear+pottery+culture%22&btnG=Search+Print, http://print.google.com/print?ie=UTF-8&q=%22linearbandkeramik%22&btnG=Search. Note that notable archaelogical encyclopaedias and prehistory texts are included there. And there are 0 results for Linear Band Ware culture on the same search page. Conclusion: in expert texts, Linear Pottery and Lineabandkeramik are used most, but the second one is actually not an English name, so Linear Pottery is correct (to be considered the "main" name). You are suggesting that Linear Band Ware exists, as well...No problem with me, but it is not correct to use it as the main title because it is really rare and probably new (I have no reason to lie to you on this - and see above the 0 results), so it should be used only in the intro as an alternative name, but not as the article name. Juro 23:43, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Fine, but my text is the later revision and includes all the references (and yours has none), which means mine overwrites yours, gets lightly edited to reflect the changes, and then you can go to town. There are some additional changes I had in mind, but this merge took long enough. Mainly, the article looks like a composite of four articles, which it is. --FourthAve 23:54, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I do not understand and I hope you do not mean what I think you mean. First, I am not the author of anyone of the texts you have merged. Second, could you please react to what I have written above and provide an argument to the above links (they contain some 170 references) and stop with arguments of the type "I have written the article, so you can tell what you want"?Juro 00:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean either. It's not 179 references, but 179 pages of references. The second is 157 pages. I'm not going to dig thru these. I thought you were a major editor of the article, in that your name was on history page. I gather Sugaar did it. I'm too tired to think about this now, and won't really be back to do anything major until tomorrow night (USA time).

And apologies to ever-patient Wiglaf for cluttering his talk page. --FourthAve 00:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

The only thing I want to achieve is that the page gets the most frequent English name (most frequent in professional texts of course) as its title, and all other used titles in its intro. Since I cannot "beam" the texts I have read in my life to your head, I have used the above links as a proof. They CONTAIN 179 books (references, not pages of references) containing Linear Pottery and no books (references) containing Linear Band Ware out of all books of 3 major American professional libraries. I would have no objections against using Linear Band Ware as title of the article if the latter was contained in at least, say, 130 books, but appears in no one. Therefore, this is a clear case for me...Article title: Linear Pottery. Intro: also known as Lineabandkeramik, Linear Band Ware, Linear Ceramic Culture... Juro 00:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

OK. I have clearly shown that Linear Pottery is more common than Linear Band Ware (whose frequency is even almost 0), you do not react and do not provide opposite arguments, therefore, in accordance with wikipedia's "most-frequent-name-rule" I will move the article to the correct English title now. Juro 17:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia at its silliest level, a heated naming dispute *rolleyes*.--Wiglaf 17:36, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Admin stuff

Thanks! The new buttons are rather cool. --Briangotts (talk) 23:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Funnelbeaker map

I hate to be a spoilsport, but, in comparison to my EIEC maps, having the Lengyel and LBK on the same map is anachronistic, in that Lengyel and Rössen are its successors. LBK had a very large extent, and overlay the Tripolye culture -- again away from the coast. Lengyel's extent, however, is quite accurately rendered; Rossen was large, a big circular blob with most of Germany from the Elbe west, well into France (and again, away from the coast). LBK takes in the upper and middle Dniester, then swings into Romania, away from the coast, as far as the Danube. It has two distinct lobes on the upper Danube, one in apparently the Vienna basin and another in central Hungary. but otherwise keeping itself north or east of the Carpatians. LBK was enormous. --FourthAve 13:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:TheUnforgiven

Check out his talk page history. A few versions back (SlimVir reverted his changes after he was banned) he posted a large, meandering and bizaare conspiracy theory whereby I (presumably in coordination with the global Jewish-Zionist-Mercantilist-Capitalist-Communist-Reactionary hegemony) "baited" him into making numerous anti-Semitic and racist attacks in a coordinated effort to get him banned. It's actually kind of amusing. I guess the common ethnic origins of Norwegians and Danes are relatively safe for now...--Briangotts (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah right, like he needed a lot of baiting. ;-) --Briangotts (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scandinavian archaeological cultures

I've looked, but have found nothing. EIEC covers Scandinavia in only a cursory way, including it in larger continental blocks, but never alone. What I find interesting are the pre-IE cultures, and the unanswerable conundrum of where they came from. I vaguely remember reading something some years ago about the "Atlantic Block", or something like that, which represented the earliest (and definitely non-IE speaking) modern humans in Europe. I have some other resources, but have to dig them out and essentially re-read them before I could say anything, but don't recall anything specifically Scandinavian.

Are you familiar with the cave sites of the Lofoten Islands that go back to maybe 5000 BC? Codfish and the Gulf stream have made the islands attractive since the stone age. A google on "Lofoten archaeology" gets you near to them. --FourthAve 07:38, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Corded Ware culture vs. Battle Axe culture

As for Corded Ware vs. Battle-Axe, my evolving understanding is that 'battle axe' is almost a subset of Corded Ware, and not the other way around. Corded Ware is certainly an areal term. I suspect Battle-Axe is more European is usage (specifically, a calque from German). It does seem the term is used preferentially in particularly Scandinavian contexts. You might ask dab what he thinks. I can say Corded Ware is the term I've always used, with battle axe always as an also-known-as.

690 google hits for "Corded ware culture", 458 for "Battle axe culture". There are 64 for pages with *both* terms. I also get an a.k.a as "Single Grave culture". see this one for a case where seemingly almost two separate cultures are being discussed. Before we get too excited, we probably need to be very clear in our heads of what is being spoken of. --FourthAve 09:36, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] more battle axe

I have done a Middle Dnieper culture article, which seems to have one foot in the Corded Ware and the other in the Yamna. Fatyanovo-Balanovo culture is another areal term, and is probably non-IE, with some non-Uralic elements; including it with the Narva culture is probably a mistake, particularly in the light of more recent research. I have no problems with Swedish-Norwegian Battle-Axe culture and Finnish Battle-Axe culture (tho' I'd drop the hyphens). The difficulties in nomenclature seem to be based in the actual learnéd literature. I would leave the name space for Corded Ware culture] as it is, but update the article to clearly point to the other articles.

I don't insist on the name. I've actually thought of changing it to Corded Ware horizon, which is probably more accurate, considering its areal status, leaving a redirect. If you really are going to create multiple articles, some sort of disambig note at the top of each might be useful, if only to alert readers there are some difficulties in the nomenclature. But do what you think best; you clearly have a wealth of sources for the Scandic tradition. I may end up saving this twice or three times, as I am getting unable to save error message. --FourthAve 10:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pit-Comb Ware culture

No problem. And this is the one I was thinking of in my mention of the Narva culture. Over time, I've noticed there is actually some good web data on Narva. One or the other of us should gather our wits and do something for this Lithuanian culture. Again, there may be multiple saves here as I get an error message. --FourthAve 13:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I have the start of a Narva culture article at the bottom of my user page. I gotta run now, but you can take a peek or even improve it as you think necessary. --FourthAve 13:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spokes

interesting -- look what I just did;

do you have any location names and dates to put to your wheels? Also, a technical gripe, you should make the red area partly transparent, otherwise it blots out the map features (better still, make the map features a layer overlaying the red area, but with partial transparency that's not absolutely necessary). dab (ᛏ) 17:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Map of the approximate maximal extent of the Andronovo culture. The western margins of the Srubna culture are shown in green. The formative Sintashta-Petrovka culture is shown in darker red. The location of the earliest spoke-wheeled chariot finds is indicated in purple.

I have included your wheels in my map, see updated image. What a team we are :) dab (ᛏ) 17:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

By comparison to the EIEC maps, this is remarkably accurate. Afanasevo, of course, is EARLIER than Andronovo, and is gone by the time Andronovo comes along. --FourthAve 22:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I would say, Afanasevo blends into Andronovo, around 2300, in Kazakhstan. But sure, it's difficult to do diachronic maps. Maybe with arrows and stuff, or labelling years. What do you think of the chariot map, btw? There's a lot of filling-in involved of course, but I suppose that's how it must have been more or less. I didn't find evidence for chariots in the Tarim basin, so I left it colourless (Toch kokal just means 'cart' before it translates ratha in Buddhist times)dab (ᛏ) 13:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I like the map. You've located Sintashta. Now, where's Petrovka? 8-) --FourthAve 17:02, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

As for the chariot map, neat, but if you put it in China ca 1200 BC, you need to put it in the Egypt of Rameses II ca 1200 BC. This may get saved multiple times; once again I get no save error messages with defective links. --FourthAve 17:09, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Germanic substrate

Germanic substrate hypothesis See my notes in talk. I am uncomfortable with the use of the word 'Creole'. Also, the substrate would have been long assimilated well before the the Grimm-Verner law becomes applicable. --FourthAve 22:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Corded Ware culture North of the Arctic Circle

I've dug out one of my books, The Indo-Europeanization of Northern Europe, a JIES collection of monographs from 1996 co-edited by Martin Huld and Karlene Jones-Bley. Einar Østmo writes the article, "The Indo-European Question: a Norwegian perspective". He writes

Agriculture was reintroduced at the time of the Battle-Axe cultures, a local variety of the widespread Corded Ware cultures, which appears to have spread agriculture around most of the Norwegian coast as far as substantially north of the Polar Circle ...[p. 29].

A map on the same page has Corded Ware finds in the Lofoten Islands, and sites up as far as Tromsø. What you are reading in Swedish may have a nationalistic bias, while what I'm reading in English has an obvious English-language bias; we're probably both right, but I think I have challenged you. Once again this may be saved multiple times, as I get an error message on savepage. --FourthAve 06:20, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

We may later arrive on a concensus for what the best name in English is, but for the moment I'd leave it as Battle Axe culture. I did add Einar Østmo's observation to the article, and then realized the citation is longer than the actual statement. --FourthAve 20:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I see you changed it back. I am developing something on the Narva culture, a portion of which was incorporated into the CWC, another portion of which seems have been and today remains autochthonous, i.e., the Estonians. It's interesting to note the Latvian was influenced by Estonian, while Lithuanian is spectacularly conservative/archaic. I do have some stuff on the [[Old Prussian]s. As for the CWC article, between us I think we can improve it far more. I wonder, though, just how many people are really interested in it, or how visited it is (as an admin, can you determine how many 'hits' an article gets?). In the meantime, I be making little tweeks. I intend to make a brief comment on Narva shortly.--FourthAve 17:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Culture article blitz

Nice work on getting all those Scandinavian cultures written up, especially filling that request for the Hamburgian culture. The Category:Archaeological cultures page is looking better and better. I'm sure they are all spot on but will have a look when I have a moment. adamsan 11:14, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please ban 205.188.116.5

See my Userpage history for evidence. Agriculture 18:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Maybe wikipedia is smaller than I think, but I keep bumping up against you and dab in the oddest places. I think this last has something to do with those pictures.

The issue of trolls has become an enormous one. The powers that be either don't care, or are going to suddenly turn the whole project into a either a copyrighted for-profit enterprise, or smear ads over everything (I see a parallel with Geocities here). Simply banning anonymous postings would be enormously helpful; that and blackholing irresponsible ISPs. Once again, nosave error message --FourthAve 21:38, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Admin request

In alignment with the move of "Scania" to "Skåne", I think we should move Scanian (linguistics) to Skånska, which also would make it in alignment with articles such as Småländska.

Cheers, --Fred-Chess 13:17, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Pádraic I. M. MacUidhir 19:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Out of India, Balkan Wars

If you can't beat them, join them. I stood at the sidelines as you and dab did that pointed hat article. So, just to infuriate the trolls, lets do an Indo-European Out of India article, and a similar Wikipedia Balkan Wars article. Note Iranian languages reflects the Out of India viewpoint. Also note Cucuteni culture and the clear-and-present evidence of the Balkan Wars in the headline (this is as bad as it really gets, where name-space trumps content, and one actually gets complaints about content). I'd do the initial article (in active consultation with you two); it would have a very snotty, hardcore pro-American totally unfair point of view, actively inciting the nationalist nut-cases. You and dab would then kick butt, demanding references, etc/usw. --FourthAve 22:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the ref to the Rus. My readings have always assumed they were Swedes who imposed themselves on the Slavs. Didn't WB Yeats have a poem about the Eastern Emperor's drunken Varangian guard? But trolling the trolls really is a fun idea. And thing that's even funner, is that it can be done within the rules. It's called escalation.

Wikipedia does have a de facto policy of following the secular Western world-view, where scientific skepticism and the usual views about human rights rule. I think this should be made an official policy; it would be polite to religious/ideological views, but would tilt to standard Western view.

You are enjoying the high arctic summer, 18 hours of daylight now?

--FourthAve 23:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your Threat

A complaint has been filed here: Requests_for_arbitration regarding your threat. — J M Rice 02:42, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

since you do not seem to have even blocked him, I suppose this rfar is mainly a reflection of a choleric temper. I doubt that the arbitration committee will even hear the case. If they do, you should of course be open to their criticism. But it appears that in this case, it will be enough for you to acknowledge that admins should not block users with whom they are engaged in content disputes (which does not seem to apply here, even) and move on. dab (ᛏ) 10:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For creating the image Image:The old border forests.PNG. It always makes me happy when I see that something geographical I am linking to actually exists and is explained (in this case Tiveden, linked to from Gullspång Municipality). --Fred-Chess 11:19, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] your cousin?

meet Giglaf (talk • contribs) :o) dab (ᛏ) 14:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Corded Ware Niggles

"About 3000 battle axes have been found, distributed over all of Scandinavia". Are these 3000 actual battle axes (the hoary weapon) or are these battle-axe culture sites? I changed 'Ca' to about. I use 'ca.' only for dates or numbers (ca. 3000 nuns attended the Pope at World Youth Day).

Otherwise, I have been smoothing out the English into what I can read easily without exception (my own first drafts are exceptionably rough (even to me, on 2nd reading) and this is a fifth or sixth draft, going into final state). Magic happened when I managed to get that graphic up next and left of the index. Graphically, this is a very nice article, and as far as I know, it reflects the current learnéd view. More work is needed, but shall we put this forward as a featured article? --FourthAve 06:05, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism (in an odd spot)

here The vandalism is strange. Scroll and you'll see it.

An article on Jean Marc Gaspard Itard was deleted; he was a very famous teacher of the deaf and is regarded as an early neurologist. Does this mean Itard is a banned subject? --FourthAve 04:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Early Swedish History

I promise not to edit this article for 48 hours. Take your time :-) Fred-Chess 22:58, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kjølen Mountains

As part of the Encarta project, I wrote the Kjølen Mountains article. Feel free to plump this one up with your Swedish resources however you see fit.

PS What of Scandinavian Mountains? Is this a dupe article? --FourthAve 01:39, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Stop removing content, or you will be blocked for vandalism.--Wiglaf 09:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Stop shameless POV-pushing, or you will be reported. You may use the Swedish wiki for promoting your nationalism, but this is international encyclopedia, so you should be aware that the NPOV policies apply here. --Ghirlandajo 10:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Mass deletions of content is not NPOV, it is vandalism.--Wiglaf 10:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Deletions of POV-pushing addition to the long established NPOV article is restoring NPOV. If you add information illustrating one point of view, you should ass as much infomration illustrating the other. Otherwise, your actions will be classified as nationalistic POV-pushing. --Ghirlandajo 10:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I would add info on the anti-normanist theory if there was anything to add. Sadly, evidence is strangely lacking.--Wiglaf 10:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

You might have noticed that I don't interefere with articles on Swedish history, although I mig ht have cited much unflattering stuff pertaining to your country. So please let the articles on Russian history to the Russians. --Ghirlandajo 10:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Dear Ghirlandajo, could you explain why the presence of foreigners in Russian history is unflattering?--Wiglaf 10:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Dear Wiglaf, where did I say that the presence of foreigners in Russian history is unflattering? I just said that it is hardly constructive to flood the articles on Russian history with Russophobic interpretations. --Ghirlandajo 10:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

What exactly is Russophobic in what I have written?--Wiglaf 10:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo, instead of removing factual info that Wiglaf adds, try instead to add info that support other views yourself. Removing factual info is unhelpful and is the last resort.

Wiglaf, when you revert non-vandalism, please do not use your admin tool since it doesn't provide summaries. Please write summaries instead. You may consider Ghirlandajo a POV pusher in return, but you can't seriously argue that his edits are Wikipedia:Vandalism to be reverted without explanatory summary. Thanks! --Irpen 23:16, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nationalism and History

Quote from dab's talkpage:

"As so often, I am struck by the lengths nationalist will go to create their own version of history. (Wiglaf, 29 June 2005)"

Nationalism is just another bias. History as it is written contains more twisting of facts than simple hard data. Just look at the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for one of the best examples, as I am sure you are already aware. ;) The point is, though, that professional as well as amateur historians will always be subject to their own biases in writing, since writing history is by its very nature a process of subjective judging of what is and is not important to record as one writes. No sense in getting frustrated about it; it is human nature to be biased. So cheer up. The Madedonian / Greek / (a "Slavic" Alexander now as well? ::sigh::) debate will continue long after you and I are pushing up daisies in the graveyard. =)

The best we can do is try to reduce the biases in the writing of history as it is relevant to that conflict in perceptions, much like other similar conflicts. (Götaland and Sweden come readily to mind, non?) ::grin:: P.MacUidhir 12:17, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Revert stuff on Early Swedish history

Wiglaf, this does not flatter either you or your proponent (I think you can accknowledge so much). I would very much hope you could both list your arguments on the talk page and leave the article page be for now.

Fred-Chess 15:54, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Fred, Ghirlandajo's removal of information is not limited to this article.--Wiglaf 21:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello again. I got your message on my talk page. For the next time, I monitor your page, so you can answer here. (for this reason, I will remove your edits off my talk page). I did not intend to blame you in any way, just letting you know ( / reminding you) that revert wars do not look good in edit histories. In all other aspects, I have not wished to get involved in the matter, and hope you will respect my wish. Fred-Chess 20:38, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Edit wars are never nice, but neither are POV-pushers. If you can't deal with an edit war, don't.--Wiglaf 21:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind advice. However, I think I will continue to improve on articles and give my opinions on the behaviour of their editors as I see appropriate, be it for better or worse. Fred-Chess 22:21, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Well, if you do, I hope that you try to stay neutral, which was not the case this time. Note the difference between [1] and [2].--Wiglaf 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Culture of Ancient Rus

I recently "met" Peter on another matter, and he suggested I pass this article on to you. Cleaning up this article is on my "to do someday" list, but I'm happy to admit that Russia in the Middle Ages is not my strong point. Peter tells me you are very interested in the history and pre-history of Scandinavia, and know something about Russian history as well. If you have sources, would you consider looking it over? Peter says he will look for information as well. Thank you. WBardwin 20:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Costa del Azahar

See my article on Peñiscola. The subject was as funny in 1911 as it is today. So I treated it with all the sober factuality they did. It's actually a good article. It took me a long time to figure out where the actual municipality was. Red Bull is a pretty phallic brand name; I imagine someone is squatting on the ever more phallic brand name cum registered trademark Peniscola as a brand-name of a cola. I must say, as an American, the first time I saw the toponym, I mis-scanned it initially as "Pensacola", as in Pensacola, Florida. English deserves a good Costa del Azahar article, tho' my research indicates it's rather downmarket tourist destination. I'm simultaneously posting this on Dab's and Wiglaf's page. --FourthAve 06:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Skuld

Please note that this article has been converted from an article on a mythological topic to an article about some obscure manga figure. User:Coolcat has created the new articles Skuld (Norse Mythology), Skuld (Scandinavian mythology) and Skuld (disambiguation) for the rest of the content from the article, which he has cut and pasted without noting the origin. You may also be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norjumtandh. Tupsharru 06:29, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I restored the pre-manga contents and moved the manga figure to her own article, with a "see also" at Skuld. I don't know if Coolcat will be satisfied with this, though. Tupsharru 06:59, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Druzhina

Thank you for reminding me. I wanted to write the article, but there is so many things to do, so I forgot. I will write a short stub for now.

You wrote: I don't know whether there were any Slavic druzhinas prior to the arrival of the Varangians.

Nobody knows. But most surely any warlord must have had warriors.

You wrote: Slavic lords used to have two companions riding with them.

I don't think there were only two. Where did you see this ifo?

mikka (t) 15:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Elazig Province

Maybe next time you can give me few minutes to write explanation before reverting my changes? Thanks :-) (Please also consider Wikipedia:NPOV dispute on the need to explain NPOV template when discussion is ongoing. Btw - I'm not touchy so I don't have problem with your action, but: I believe the best way how to get npov removed is to ask the person who added it, and if you have to remove it yourself, don't mark it as minor edit.) --Wikimol 11:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What are you doing?

Valkyrie can mean a number of things please observe proper disambiguation. --Cool Cat ^Talk 17:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Note that the basic meaning of Valkyrie is supposed to be the main article.--Wiglaf 17:30, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Valkyrie can mean a number of things. I see the aircraft more significant than the mithological char. --Cool Cat ^Talk 17:33, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

If you consider the aircraft meaning to be more significant, I suggest that you post your request at WP:RM.--Wiglaf 17:37, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prehistory

Hi Wiglaf. If you have a moment could you come and have a look at prehistory and its attendant talk page? Another user and myself disagree over its definition and I feel your experience of Northern European archaeology and the use of the term there would help inform the discussion. Thanks very much. adamsan 11:34, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for helping Wiglaf. Though I'm sorry to say that may not be the last time I need to call on your services. adamsan 21:32, 16 September 2005 (UTC)