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Contents 1 Image:Trikvetra.JPG 2 User:Zivinbudas 3 Arbitration Committee case opening 4 Offa 5 A little comment request 6 High German consonant shift 7 Ullr 8 User:203.164.50.60 9 Swedenborg's grave 10 just a notice about... 11 Image deletion 12 Chronographos 13 Þjóðólfur 14 Bilder av Rökstenen från svenska Wikipedian 15 Theo RFA 16 Sveno, Svenonis 17 Genocide 18 Varia 19 Reply to comments on my talk page 20 Radhanite 21 Ketil Flatnose 22 Rus 23 Possible copyvio 24 Sturlunga 25 "Take a Wikibreak" 26 Consolidation of Sweden 27 Indus Valley Civilization 28 Haabet 29 Strömkarlen - "The Stream Boy"? 30 Jomsvikings 31 Book recommend 32 Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Fox and geese

[edit] Image:Trikvetra.JPG

Hi there. Thanks for uploading Image:Trikvetra.JPG. Could you perhaps put a licence tag on it? That would be great. Thanks again. — Chameleon 17:51, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Zivinbudas

I've now officially requested an Arbitration against Zivinbudas. As one of the people who were involved in previous attempts at compromise with him, you might be interested in the case. Also, feel free to list yourself as one of the parties involved here. Halibutt 04:06, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration Committee case opening

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zivinbudas has been accepted and is now open. Please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zivinbudas/Evidence. Thank you. -- sannse (talk) 10:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) Ū

[edit] Offa

Hey, Wiggles, I'd love to see Beowulf featured, I'll try to give it a read later. I just noticed that it has Offa (of Anglia) redlinked to Offa of Anglia. What's that about, pagename fisticuffs? Is Offa going to get moved? Bishonen | talk 10:49, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A little comment request

Hello.

I know you know some history of Sweden. I thought you may be interested in having a look at Skåneland?

There has been some discussion whether the proper name is "Skåneland" or "terra Scania", and if it is correct to claim that the term is a recently invented term, or if it is a natural denomination for a geographical area.

Also, I am currently running a little promotion tour, for Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board. The intention about it is to give ideas and suggestions about Swedish things.

Best regards, --Fred-Chess 11:47, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] High German consonant shift

Hi, I just saw your question in this article. The answer is no, this is the voiced fricative as in English. Thanks for pointing out the unclarity - I have added a note. BTW, you are great at maps. Do you think you could make a suitable one for this page? --Doric Loon 16:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Great! Well, if you can find the time, it would be great to have a map of Germany (including Alsace-Lorraine) and possibly the Netherlands, which shows the Low, Central and Upper German dialects as three horizontal strips. The boundaries (the Benrath and Speyer lines) could possibly be labelled. It would be good to have this to the side of the text in the "General Description" section. If you were really keen, a second map of the Rhineland in a close-up could show the fragmentation of the West Central German dialects known as the Rheinischer Fächer, but that would be slightly more complicated. There are two external links already on the page to maps which you could draw on. I would have borrowed these, but I suppose they will be copyright, and besides, yours look better! --Doric Loon 21:07, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

WEEL DONE, CUTTY SARK! A great map indeed! The only thing you might change is to increase the size of the writing slightly, or make the thumb slightly bigger, as at present it can't easily be read. But on the other hand, one click gives the massive version in all its glory. I think the colours are fine. I have expanded the legend underneath, though. Thanks. --Doric Loon 22:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ullr

Hey, you're an admin, right? :) I was wondering if you could move Ull to Ullr. I've been working on that page a lot and decided to use Old Norse spellings within the article. It would be nice if this was consistent with the page title. I'll do the job of making sure there are no double redirects. Haukurth 21:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:203.164.50.60

Please block User:203.164.50.60 (3 days?)for ranting at the Philippine talk page. Thanks .--Jondel 03:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Swedenborg's grave

Please look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Emanuel Swedenborg. A picture of Swedenborg's grave in the Cathedral in Uppsala would be a useful illustration for this article. Would you consider going there some day with your camera? Tupsharru 07:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Tupsharru 12:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] just a notice about...

Hello.

I just want to notify you that the article Ting, that you have been involved with, was moved to Thing (assembly) by User:Pmanderson.

--Fred-Chess 14:05, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image deletion

Could you help me with your Awesome Admin SuperPowers^TM to delete the following images which have now been uploaded to wikicommons under identical names (most are in Commons:Category:Uppsala). They are all my own original uploads, so I can't see why anyone else would mind. Tupsharru 12:28, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I've uploaded another bunch of Uppsala images to Commons today, mostly older pictures I have scanned from various publications, but those haven't been uploaded here before. Tupsharru 22:17, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chronographos

unfortunately, Decius bit him first. See [1], User_talk:Decius#Chronographos. I'm still hoping they'll both just calm down. Chronographos has the excuse of being a newbie, this is his first unpleasant experience on WP. Let's see how he holds up. dab (ᛏ) 12:43, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

excellent new maps, btw - I'm really glad I showed you that blank map! cheers, dab (ᛏ) 12:48, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

the real question is, dab, whether this Ceausesku wannabe will continue to be hurling insults and get away with it with nary a slap on the fingers. I will not address him under any circumstances until he apologizes to me, in public. During my medical studies in the USA, I sat at the same table with Nobel Prize winners, and they encouraged me, as insignificant a Research Fellow as any, to talk to them by their first name; they took the time to answer my (inevitably naive) questions, and treated me as though I were their equal. Such is the humility only truly great scientists can project. I have no need for insecure fluffs Chronographos 11:05, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Þjóðólfur

Yeah, well, I know what you mean. The preposition "of" in this case is the English one. I decided to go for the form of the name that Richard North uses in his seminal book (see the references in Haustlöng). - Haukurth 11:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bilder av Rökstenen från svenska Wikipedian

These pictures are much better but it seems that their license is (absurdly, in my opinion) no longer allowed on Wikipedia. Someone might try to delete them soon. Heads up. - Haukurth 12:36, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that you might be able to rationalize "fair use". - Haukurth 12:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But it says on Swedish wikipedia that they are allowed [2]. Have I missed something?--Wiglaf 12:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but there was a recent fatwah by James Wales against the use of copyright-used-with-permission images. See here: [3]. Seems absurd to me. - Haukurth 14:09, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Theo RFA

Thank you for supporting my candidacy.—Theo (Talk) 13:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sveno, Svenonis

As you are presumably somewhat familiar with latinizations of Nordic names, could you take a look at Talk:Svend Aagesen? I don't really feel that I have received any useful answer from User:Twthmoses to my question there. Tupsharru 08:53, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Genocide

I have no concern about content in any article relating to Turkey or any Armenian Genocide. I am merely reverting a known vandal who is prohibited from making edits on Wikipedia. Rovoam is a known vandal who uses open proxies to POV push on about 20 different articles (see this history for just one example). 90% of those reverts are because of him). Some articles have had to be protected for weeks at a time. There was a RFAr case where several dozen of his accounts were blocked, since then he has continued to use open proxies to POV push and vandalize many editors and administrators User pages and high traffic pages such as current events. Anyway, I've never actually read anything this guy has written, I'm just dealing with vandalism. If you want to put in content about some genocide, go for it. CryptoDerk 13:21, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Varia

I highly doubt "Frithjof" is much of a standard form. I'm sure you can find "Frithiof", "Friðþjóf" and even "Friththiof" in English texts.

As for this Roi I'd guess the Old Norse name is Hrói. I don't know of a "Hróa saga", though. I'll check this again when I get home.

- Haukurth 20:36, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You started the Friðþjófr article and you can manage it as far as I'm concerned. I certainly won't revert name changes. As for East Norse forms I think they're entirely appropriate when discussing Swedish sources. For example I don't think it's necessary to include West Norse transcriptions of rune texts like you've been doing (though it is convenient for many people, I suppose).

The problem comes with such things as legendary Swedish kings, where the subject is East Norse but the sources are mostly West Norse. - Haukurth 11:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'll see with writing a synopsis on the saga you mentioned. I'm going to try to be less active on Wikipedia for the next few days or weeks and try to get my master's thesis going. - Haukurth 00:51, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to comments on my talk page

Dear Wiglaf,

Inclusion of Armenian Genocide in Turkey and History of Turkey articles has been discussed extensively in the past. Please read those discussions before making edits regarding this issue. Otherwise you will quite possibly start a revert war or something.

Regards,

at0 01:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Radhanite

I've placed the Radhanite article up for peer review [4]. Given that we've worked together cordially in the past on such articles as Crimean Goths, I'd appreciate your comments and criticism. Thanks! --Briangotts 19:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ketil Flatnose

Started a new article on this guy. At present it's just bare bones. I'll have to go back to the sagas to get more info, but I thought you might be interested in working on it as well. --Briangotts 15:11, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rus

Now, Wiglaf, as far as I know, you are of course a Gothic nationalist :o) How dare they call you a Swedish one? Well, arbitration is an empty threat in this case, you did nothing wrong, so you might just let him try. Afaik, it is not impossible that from the 10th century the term Rus began to be applied to Turkic and Slavic peoples, and the lines began to blur anyway. But if the Varangians plundered the Arabs, the Varangian plundered the Arabs, I don't see the problem there. dab (ᛏ) 12:25, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tend to agree. God, anti-Normanist extremists really irritate me. Usually they're the same people who are denying that the Khazars and Kipchaks had any cultural impact on early Russia and refer to the Tatar "yoke" (as opposed to the gentle rule of Ivan the Terrible). It's quite clear that the early Rus retained close cultural ties to Scand. even after they were largely Slavicized. It's true that these terms are imprecise and could refer to various Slavic, Norse, Turkic, and Rus groups, but most Arab writers (and Byzantine for that matter) were clearly talking about Norsemen when they said Varangians. --Briangotts 22:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible copyvio

Are you sure Image:Young ingjald.JPG and others from that Heimskringla edition are PD? I'm fairly certain they are not. Fornadan (t) 15:35, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Checked in my lexicon: Gerhard Munthe (Image:Ingjald.gif) died in 1929 and Erik Werenskiold (Image:Young ingjald.JPG & Image:Yrsa.jpg) in 1938. Original publication date is 1899. Fornadan (t) 17:10, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sturlunga

Do you know where I can get an English edition of Sturlunga Saga (that doesn't cost hundreds of dollars?) --Briangotts 22:27, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There is a book that you might be able to loan in a library: Sturlunga Saga. 2 vols. Translated by Julia H. McGrew, and R. George Thomas. New York: Twayne Publishers, Inc.,1974., otherwise, I have no clue. I am myself trying to find online translations of the sagas.--Wiglaf 23:15, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I saw that book but it's extremely expensive. I'll have to check if it's in our library here (I doubt it). For translations of other sagas, have you tried Northvegr?

A bit odd that this saga turns up again. Someone asked me about this very topic only a few weeks ago. I am unable to find a complete English translation of it online that is worth bothering with. Will let you know if I come across one that is either cheap to buy or in the public domain and usable. P.MacUidhir 06:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Take a Wikibreak"

Why the fuck should I take a "wikibreak", huh? Will it do any good? Will my account be back?

No.

The admins can go fuck themselves right in the ass. They not only refuse to deal fairly with the case, they're outright dismissive.

They send me neo-Nazi emails, they can fucking go to hell.

Kurita77

[edit] Consolidation of Sweden

I just noticed that with your last edit to Consolidation of Sweden you removed a large portion of the article without even leaving an edit summary. [5] Was this intentional? It seems like the removed text was relevant to the title, but I'm no expert in this matter. / Alarm 30 June 2005 10:19 (UTC)

Sorry, I was a bit tired at the moment. I moved it to another section of Swedish history [6].--Wiglaf 30 June 2005 10:24 (UTC)

You've probably got a good point about the topic being sensitive. But perhaps it might be helpful to add something to the article's talk page about where the text was moved, so users looking at the edit history won't be confused (like I was).

By the way, considering that you are active on Swedish matters, I'd like you to know that I'm trying to breathe some life into the Swedish Wikipedians' notice board. My hope is that Wikipedians interested in Swedish topics will watch this page and use it to keep track of ongoing debates and votes relating to Swedish articles, and as a place to list "weak spots" they don't have the time or knowledge to fix, in order to attract the attention of someone knowledgeable in a specific area. Would you consider signing up? / Alarm 30 June 2005 19:39 (UTC)

[edit] Indus Valley Civilization

I wasn't aware that it was such a big debate until I saw the discussion page. Also, I later added "... Sarasvati River probably flowed" to further emphasize the debated nature of the issue. Among the various contestants for being the Sarasvati river, I am positive that the Ghaggar Hakra rivers enjoy an overwhelming support among archaeologists. In the beginning, your edit did appear vandalism to me, inspired by some kind of Indophobia. You might not be aware, Pakistani "scholars" reject not only the Sarasvati theory, but many established facts, in an attempt to create a history in which Pakistan was always a separate nation, sometimes colonized by India. This is not an archeological but an ideological and political issue there. I hope this article concentrates more on facts, and positions of well known archeologists. In the morning I found many interesting changes on the History of Pakistan page. The following is a small example:

So far one of our objects has been to underline the fact that right from the days of the Indus Valley Civilization down to the end of the Ghaznavid rule at the fall of the 12th century A.D. over a period of more than four thousand years, Pakistan has been invariably a single, compact, separate entity either independent or part of powers located to her west; its dependence on or forming part of India was merely an exception and that too for an extremely short period. It was only when the Muslims established themselves at Delhi early in the 13 century A.D. that Pakistan was made a part of India, but not in the pre-Muslim period. And once Muslims' successors in the sub-continent, the British, relinquished power in the middle of the 20th century, Pakistan reverted to its normal position of an independent country. Indian propaganda that the division of this sub-continent was unnatural and unrealistic is fake and fraudulent. Muslims had joined this region of Pakistan with India in the early 13th century A.D. when the Delhi Sultanate was formed; again Muslims have disconnected it from India giving it the normal and natural form which its geographical, ethnical, cultural and religious identity demanded.

deeptrivia 30 June 2005 22:20 (UTC)

Hi. I also checked the Indus Valley Civilisation article in other languages. A majority of them mentions the alternate name as Sarasvati Civilization / Indus Saraswati Civilization in the first few lines of the article. Among the languages I understand, I did not find them mentioning any debate on the issue. I am not using this to support anything, but just wanted to inform you. deeptrivia 1 July 2005 02:29 (UTC)

[edit] Haabet

Hi Wiglaf –- you'll need to open an rfc first (afaik, there hasn't been one yet). It's a pain to revert moves, but you can prevent non-admins from controversial moving by creating a history on the move tragets. regards, dab (ᛏ) 3 July 2005 12:34 (UTC)

well, rfc is the most "harmless" first stage of conflict resolution. If he is considered harmless by people, it will be impossible to block him, except for unambiguous cases of vandalism. dab (ᛏ) 3 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)

[edit] Strömkarlen - "The Stream Boy"?

Check out Template:Did you know. Is this really the best possible translation of the title of the painting? Tupsharru 5 July 2005 09:40 (UTC)

[edit] Jomsvikings

Just set up a new page for these fellows. There was a Jomsborg page but it had limited info. Your input would be appreciated. In particular, if you know anything about the debate over whether or not they were legendary as opposed to historical... --Briangotts 6 July 2005 16:43 (UTC)

We'll see how it goes. --Briangotts 6 July 2005 20:45 (UTC)

[edit] Book recommend

Thanks! I've added it to my Amazon cart. Have you read William Ian Miller's Blood-Taking and Peace-Making? It's a nonfiction book about the blood feud system in early Iceland. Another good book is Byzantium by Steven Lawhead. --Briangotts 6 July 2005 21:13 (UTC)

Byzantium, I should have mentioned, is the story of an Irish monk kidnapped by Vikings and taken as a slave to Constantinople and all around the Middle East during the reign of Basil II.

[edit] Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Fox and geese

Calm down, I can see looking at the history he just accidentally reverted your comment to an earlier version when adding his own comment below it. It probably went like this:

1. You add your comment
2. -Ril- begins editing a reply
3. You modify your comment
4. -Ril- submits his, notice an edit conflict and merge his changes, not noticing you had modified your comment.

Assume good faith. --cesarb 6 July 2005 23:39 (UTC)