Talk:White Ship

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Shipwreck-related priority open tasks: [edit] To Do Shipwrecks Clean up typos Improve Grammer Add any additions if needed Discuss disired additions Cattewater Wreck Needs expansion [edit] Done Shipwrecks Re-wrote the first paragraph Cleaned up Types of Shipwrecks it felt a bit jumbled Cattewater Wreck Started the article

at least one of Henry's 20-plus acknowledged bastards, Richard.

This could be considered offensive, but I thought I'd say something before deleting it. I do know that this is the technical meaning of bastards, but it still could offend. - Pingveno 22:53, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It's not offensive used in the factual genealogical sense. --Wetman 6 July 2005 06:11 (UTC)

There is a factual discrepancy between this article and Henry I of England: Henry I of England describes Richard as legitimate while this article says the opposite. I don't know which one is correct, so I don't think I should change it myself. - rsutphin 00:46, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Could we remove the jarring usage of "ironic"? --Wetman 6 July 2005 06:11 (UTC)

Is the White Ship a name or a description?

[edit] White Ship and the English Reformation

Surely it goes too far to call the sinking of the White Ship a "root cause" of the English Reformation. It was certainly a contributing factor, since the Anarchy that followed the death of Henry I was an exemplar to Henry VIII and his advisors of the dissensions that could accompany female rule. However, a general attitude among the medieval nobility meant that they would only submit to the rule of a strong male (an attitude enshrined in the Salic Law in France), and this attitude carried over into the time of Henry VIII. Indeed, this attitude, rather than the sinking of the White Ship, can be called the cause of the Anarchy after 1135 — a wider symptom of the perils of feudal devolution of power. It is somewhat ironic that, out of Henry VIII's three successors (all his children), it was the male, Edward VI, who proved weakest.

Anyhow, I'll dilute that last claim if no-one can convince me otherwise.--Iacobus 03:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Done.--Iacobus 00:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)