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I award this Comics Star to WesleyDodds for his great efforts work in improving Batman and other comic-book related articles. Fantastic work improving encyclopediac standards of the article. Keep it up! ~CS 19:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I award this Comics Star to WesleyDodds for his great efforts work in improving Batman and other comic-book related articles. Fantastic work improving encyclopediac standards of the article. Keep it up! ~CS 19:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I award this Comics Star to WesleyDodds for impressive contributions editing and monitoring Batman-related articles. (I'm not letting ~CS's star stop me from posting the one I came here to give you. You deserve two stars!) -- Doczilla 19:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I award this Comics Star to WesleyDodds for impressive contributions editing and monitoring Batman-related articles. (I'm not letting ~CS's star stop me from posting the one I came here to give you. You deserve two stars!) -- Doczilla 19:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Welcome!

Hello WesleyDodds, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some good places to get you started!

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please be sure to [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name on talk --Punk thrasher 19:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)pages]] by using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or just three tildes (~~~) to produce your name only. If you have any questions, or are worried/confused about anything at all, please either visit the help desk, or leave a new message on my talk page at any time. Happy editing, good luck, and remember: Be Bold!

[[User:FireFox|<font ts the history of Nu Metal in general. Also, many of the edits are coming off as unencylopedic, or POV. Things such as 'metallish alternativish bands' over 'sungenre'? That some what says unecnyclopedic and POV.

I do seriously think you could make this article better. In the mean time, i suggest you chalk up a temp page and make revisions there, or, do it on a word document before you save anything direct to the article, so things like this can be discussed and a consensus reached.

Otherwise, go for it, but seriously, you need to start correcting the problems with the article, as at the minute, you seem to be furthering them. Leyasu 11:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

You suggest a request for commments? Leyasu 15:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for comments = more comments. You also somewhat overlook, that all sources that claim Alternative Metal as a genre, contradict all sources that say Nu Metal is a genre. On the basis they both say the exact same thing. Perhaps there is a way of naming the article as so that it applys to both? A combined article, per say. Much like NSBM on the Black Metal page, Gothic Doom on the Gothic Metal page, and Vedic Metal on the Viking Metal page? This would probally be the best option, and allows for the articles to be merged with no loss of information, no loss of listing, redirct or searching. And combines them both due to the massive overlap of them being exactly the same.

Agreed the timing on people vane be irritating. My plan is to wait to see what u do with the pages, and then merge them into one. Ive found several sources of my own, saying Nu Metal and Alternative Metal are names for the same thing. Alternetive Metal being a pet name for Nu Metal bands, and Nu Metal being an insult given to bands. Thus the pages still need merging, either way. Lest, ill let you make the pages better before i do a proper merger. I suggest checking the Gothic Metal temp page for what im planning to do with it. And i have someone getting citians for Korn and SOAD themselfs saying they are Nu Metal bands. Leyasu 04:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Username change

Your request has been fulfilled. Regards — Dan | talk 00:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative rock

I think we should decide on how to handle the infbox after we've got all the subgenres listed. If there's too many, a link to the section may be best (with the most prominent genres left in the infobox).

Adding Lollapalooza and Indie (music) sound like good ideas, though I don't think the others should be added. For one, both articles are in a constant state of disarray, with POV and other problems constantly plaguing them. Secondly, alt culture doesn't have a strong enough connection to alt rock to be of major importance. And Generation X was important, but not all members were involved in alt rock; adding it to the list may come off as a generalization.

I'm fine with the changes to Timeline of alternative rock. Good work on that.

As for the grunge/hardcore debate, I didn't mean to come across as if I was angry at you, and if I did I apologize. My problem wasn't with your suggestions, but with Leyasu's personal attacks and academic dishonesty. That said, I'm glad to have you here at Wikipedia helping to improve our articles in an honest manner. :) -- LGagnon 02:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think of emo as alt rock. It never seemed to have the connection with the rest of alt rock that the other genres had (underground in the 80s, popular in the 90s, often found to be difficult to distinguish between by the mainstream audience, just to name a few elements). Its connection to hardcore is noticable, but I'm still not sure about it being alt rock. Again, this is something that would have to be decided by citing sources (and honestly, I'd go with something other than AMG; I only use them when I know another source can back their claim). -- LGagnon 03:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Effort Pooling

Heya Hey. Not a bitch, but more a question. I know we conflict on several articles, and our efforts are pooled in different areas of priority. I was wondering if we can draw up a conclusion of articles we are both working on, as to work together to create better articles, rather than seemingly working against each other and making worse articles.

As such, i was wondering if you want to list the articles your working on, and i can see what im doing with them, and split the tasks evenly between us, so we both have clear-cut tasks, and so that our efforts are pooled together as to help each other, rather than undermine each other. As such, the articles most in question in my eyes are:

  • Alternative Metal
  • Nu Metal
  • Metal Music

Yup yup. So, i was wondering, as editors, and you as an editor i respect amongst few, what direction we are going with these articles, and what way we are best to resolve them, and what clear-cut tasks need doing with each. Leyasu 14:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok i see it like this then as plan for Metal Music, on actions to take, step by step:
* Step 1: You merge the historys of the two pages.
* Step 2: When youve merged the history ill try to expand the history to be more clear on what has happened since its writing. Ill also try to show the genres influences on each other, and note the cross-genre influencing of the present.
* Step 3: When ive done that, you copy edit it, coz your English is blatantly better than mine.
As for Alternative/Nu - Each one should better define what it is. Ill have a run over the articles after ive had sleep, and see what i can do to better define them. When ive done that, you again, just copyedit it.
While your at it, would you mind going over the Gothic Metal article. Im curious to see what someone with better English skills would do with it, as i appreciate the way i talk is very rant like. Leyasu 06:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abbirition

Sorry to have to say this Wesley. Sometime ago i had to open a case of Abbirition against another user for varuous reasons. Other users involved in the case have started using the Grunge debate we were both involved in as a means of criticising me, and have also gone and asked Lgangon to give his views on me.

In kind, in light of their actions. I would ask, that you too come Here and post your view on me, my actions in the grunge debate, and your view on me and the users involved. I would also ask, if you do take this kind oppourtunity to add your view to the case, that, you would do so in kind and show no bias towards or aganist any users involved in this Abbiration case.

Oh, and get cracking on that merging :P Leyasu 12:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hey

Good work! can you keep helping me? I'm foreing so my syntax and gramar might not be so good. I think I'd propably need some rephasing. I'll show you any sources if you need--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 07:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agreed

Agreed. That's my pov on the article lately, to be descriptive of the villains but more through the characteristics of their era rather than theirs. I'm not sure what to do with killer moth...his popularity in the past makes him kinda ok, but I need a good description of how he was a prototipe of a new kind of villain to enphasize kind of era that was--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 07:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking about a word or maximum 2. Like mobsters' champion... which is not ok, because that makes the character look more important than what he is.--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 07:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

By sayning just Mr. Freeze it looks like, "he is important, no need to specify powers" in contrats with Killer moth, "the anti-batman" ("oh, he was an antibatman from the 50s, that's why he made it to this paragraph")but whatever.. Sorry for my childish explaining...Again, I'm foreign.--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 08:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] confused by this:

You're right I should have payed more attention. But I fond this and I'm getting confused. There was an advertise of Batman #1 (april 25) on the Dectective comics of may? which was the 2nd robin appearence after one the mont before?? [1] help me get this page I think you were right about golden age deadshot being Floyd, btw--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 08:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I did not know that! ...wow, 13 years reading comics now and I never knew, hahaha. You are the man, i'm gonna sleep. Great work!!--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 08:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Numetal

Heya, I agree that it could use subsections, that was how I was thinking when I decided on the dividers placement. I does help break up the chunk of text in the meantime though.

On a different subject, have you read Jim Derotis' Milk It! [2]. You should check it out if you haven't. maxcap 19:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Bodom

Im having trouble with a series of vandals on the Children of Bodom page, who are blanking, changing, removing sourced information, and rewriting the article to meet their POV of the band. I have tried warning them and discussing the problem with the users on the talk page, but this is getting nowhere but personal attacks and continued vandalism, and im way past violating the 3RR now. Ive even explained NPOV and Cite to them, the policys, and they ignored it. I dont know of many editors who work in such good faith as you, so any chance you can pop by and explain to them what they are doing is wrong, and that its vandalism, and keep an eye on the page. Leyasu 04:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Ive got the users i mentioned above mostly in a dispute resoloution similar to that of an Arbcom case. Many of them claim the gramma in the original version before they edited it is off. I know your a great guy for English, so i was wondering if you could pop over to the article and give it a copyedit for grammatical and spelling mistakes. Hopefully that way, this whole revert war on the article should be nipped in the bud, and the article should be magically made better by your excellent English skills xD
Hope your doing well to mate. Happy Valentines Day!!!. Leyasu 07:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needing Advice on Templates

Heya hey. Im confused about the genre templates, such as the Heavy Metal one. When writing up a genre template, do yew have to include the origins of the core genre, plus the subforms of the core genre? Ley Shade 15:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bauhaus / L&R

I'd love to make pages for the Bauhaus, Tones on Tail, Love and Rockets, etc. albums. They could use them. It'll probably take me a while to really get around to doing a thorough job on them all, but I'll try to start with some stubs soon. Folkor 06:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Why don't I start on L&R, if you want to continue on Bauhaus, and then we can help each other out as far as formatting and knowledge goes? I think that should get a good start going. Folkor 16:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I made the Seventh Dream of Teenage Heaven page. I see what you mean - it does take a while! I also fixed up the singles table for Love and Rocekts, as it was missing all the singles that didn't chart. I've got to go to class, but I'll try to keep working on the L&R albums later. Folkor 19:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Jam vs. Ticketmaster

I don't really know much about the case; it was something I ignored back then. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistence. -- LGagnon 14:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

It sounds like a good idea. User:Jmabel might also be willing to help out. -- LGagnon 16:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Im invensted in WP:HMM, so just make a Wikiproject:Rock Music. That should cover the whole scope. If yew need to, just copy the formatting ive been working on on the HP:HMM project, when its done, i can link the projects together. Ley Shade 17:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deathrock citations

Did you have any other citations immediately in mind for cleaning up (other than the one mentioned on the talk pages). I can understand Filmgal's trepidation about this subject. She's probably poured more hours into writing and editing that article than any of the rest of us, and it looks like all she's trying to do is keep it from being hijacked by folks who have little knowledge or interest in the scene. I also understand your point that vague citation needs replaced and will in the end work against the article if it seems ambiguous. I can't see how having fewer notes would be good for the article (as feature pages are usually brimming with citations), but i'd like to see if maybe we can't all work together somehow and replace the vague citations with clear ones.--Adrift* 18:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nu-metal and death metal

If that book you mentioned does connect the two genres, it may be a good idea to put the claim in quotations and footnote it. However, "Sonic similarity" sounds pretty POV and doesn't do much for the reader in explaining what it means - because both genres are loud? Being that death metal fans universally hate nu-metal (and vice versa) it would probably be better to leave out any death metal reference and just include thrash metal (in which there are mentioned examples of influences - Metallica, Megadeth, etc.) The only connection nu-metal has to death metal is that Sepultura and Fear Factory started out as the latter, other than that, there's no connection/similarity whatsoever. --Danteferno 12:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikiproject: Alternative music

Okay. I added my name here. Mike Garcia 22:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Count me in, I haven't been contributing so much lately, but I'll see what i can do. maxcap 13:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Poll

Hello there. I am an overseer of your brain. I have come to tell you that the Wikimetal Project is holding a poll on the inclusion of certain genres on the heavy metal template and footer that goes onto metal related articles. This poll has a closing date, however, and so here i am, reminding you to vote if you want to, by pumping strange chemicals through your veins. Its hard work being a brain you know!

If you would like to help in this crucial part of the project, the page is here. No, thats not it? Oh my! I posted those pictures of myself, what a devil i am. No the actuall link is here on this link.

I guess ill see you at breakfest when you finally recover from Wikipedia. Bye for now body, your Brain 07:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Re:Wikiproject

I can best contribute to alt-rock topics, and yeah, I can contribute sounds and images if I find them. When the project officially starts, I can link it to the rock and roll portal. Hopefully this wikiproject will produce more music-related FA's. --Osbus 14:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sound clips

Hi Wesley.

I've just added a sample of 'A Forest' to the Cure song page and I'll try and add some others as I go on, but I don't have any Joy Division ATM (although I do have some New Order).

If I've got a track then I'll try and upload a sample, but some tracks are difficult to edit.

Regards,

Ian Dunster 14:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've added a sample of the Substance version of Blue Monday to the Substance 1987 page, but you'll need to place it where you want it on the page and add it to any other pages you think it fits. I'll try and add one other from that album (the only New Order one I have) but I don't want to take too many from any one album. Ian Dunster 14:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, tell me what ones you would like and I'll create the clips and upload them. I'll need to place them temporarily on an article page in order to 'anchor' them, then you can add them to the appropriate pages yourself. Ian Dunster 14:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I've added the other two tracks on your list that I have. If there are any tracks by other band's that you would like then let me know and I'll see if I've got them. Ian Dunster 15:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! - I didn't see that one - I've put mine up for 'Speedy deletion' and had a go at adding the original one to the London Calling article but it needs someone to tidy the link. Ian Dunster 19:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have any Smashing Pumpkins tracks - a bit after my time. Ian Dunster 09:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wikiproject

Sure I'm willing to do the portal and templates. Just some questions...

  • When you mean portal, do you mean an Alternative Rock portal or Alternative Music portal?
  • For the templates, I'm thinking userbox, signature thing, etc. Anything specific in mind, such as color schemes?

Also, I don't think we should do any announcements just yet. We should wait until we get the portal/templates down. --Osbus 23:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry...get well soon! --Osbus 20:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I made the userbox and organized our templates into a graph on the project page...btw can you find another image for the userbox? I noticed the alternative rock one had the same image. Regarding your question, I think any article that falls under the alt music should have the template on their talk page, including bands/artists. Also, the template is wordy. Mind if I change it? --Osbus 00:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Alternative music

Hey, looking at your edits I thought I'd ask you if you are interested in participating in Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music, which I just started.

On a related subject, I think we can work together to get R.E.M. to at least be a Good Article. I did a small edit right now but I'll work in greater depth on it later. WesleyDodds 11:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Cool! I think I'd be interested! I know I've got a weird track on focusing on what interests me at any given moment, so I'm not entirely sure how much I'll be able to contribute. But I'm definitely willing to help out where I can.
As far as the R.E.M. article - I got the rewrite through the end of the IRS era then got distracted. (Pretty typical for me. :)) The rest of it seems to be in better shape, but I'd still like to pull some of the OR album descriptions out of it, and maybe add facets like the Cobain/River Phoenix elements of Monster, etc. -- ChrisB 03:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You rule

Hüsker Dü and Joy Division are way cool bands. I prefer Zen Arcade and Unknown Pleasures out of those. New Day Rising is excellent and Metal Circus, Everything Falls Apart & More as well as Land Speed Record blow my mind every time. Closer is pretty good, the synths should be removed though. "Twenty Four Hours" is my second favorite Joy Division song behind "Candidate". Have you ever listened to "Candidate" in complete darkness at a loud volume? I swear, it scared the hell out of me.

I have a friend whose name is Wess Dodd. I thought you were him the first time I saw your username! He likes the Hüskers as well! Pretty freaky coincidence. NIRVANA2764 19:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banshees/Goth

I will not get into revert wars - and anyway it is "your" article. All I can suggest is that when you see Siouxsie and/or Severin, YOU tell THEM that they were in a goth band (I know a bloke who can knock up a suit of armour, if you like). I will not deny that they were a huge influence, and that parts of "Join Hands" were very prototypal and "A Kiss In The Dreamhouse"/"JuJu" had tracks within the genre - but their outlook and direction was not Goth. Rather, Goth took elements from them in both music and (later) style. Of course Sioux's styling, after the punk phase, is very much in keeping with Goth but Severin, McGeoch and Budgie looked "New Romantic" if anything. Last of all, much of what might be termed goth style had been long left behind toward the end of their career. I therefore contend that the Banshees were not a goth band...

I have a feeling you may also have SatB on your watchlist. Persuant to the above I have edited the intro to say that they were a punk/post punk band, who also operated within the Goth genre. I found that the article had previously been edited by people who didn't know "Janet" is Sioux's middle name (the first is Susan) and that Vicious didn't play bass until after he had drummed at the 100 Club gig. I'm all for enthusiasm, but I suspect that there are those less concerned with accuracy than pushing a point of view - this is not referring to your good self.

Oh, anyway, write it as you see fit. I'm afraid I don't agree, but not to the point where I am going to start acting silly.LessHeard vanU 21:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Ref your request re Banshees - I belong to a couple of sites where I am a mere novice compared to some of the members (these are SatB sites - one mentioned in the links section), so I will see if any there that are interested in contributing. I will add my tuppence worth, whatever the response. Thanks for asking.LessHeard vanU 19:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I am going to decline, for the moment, your suggestion. I am currently being kicked around by some Severin fans for daring to expand the original article from the two short paragraph stub to something like its current state. I really don't want them following me onto the SatB site, and they would likely revert any edits I make anyway. I will continue to encourage some of my other fansite members to contribute. Keep up the good work.LessHeard vanU 21:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Violent Femmes

Why did you change the genre of the record from Folk Punk to Alternative Rock? Not that it bothers me - they're a difficult band to label. But their folk punk sound is mentioned in the article. (feel free to reply here) -Freekee 01:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Seemed more accurate, since they are widely classified as alt-rock (and referred to as such in their article), as well as there is no mention of them in the folk punk article. It really doesn't matter what genre is ultimately listed(they're also considered New Wave as well) aside from I wanted to put them into the context of the alternative/indie scene of the 80's that they were a part of and helped pioneer. WesleyDodds 01:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'll try to make note of that in the article, if I ever get around to that rewrite I've been meaning to do. But... New Wave? Only in the broadest sense possible.
Thanks. -Freekee 02:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smashing Pumpkins

Hi, I'm interested in finding the direct quote of Billy Corgan (about Mellon Collie and The Wall, etc) too, so I replied to your post on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative music page. Just wanted to make sure you got the message. Perhaps you can point me in a more specific direction as to where I should dig for the quote? Thanks, for now, for all the excellent work. – Cambrant 22:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hididli ho

have you heard of an old DC character called The Sandman [the original not neil gaimans] he's got the same name as you. Unregistered text offender 12:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SP, etc.

The Smashing Pumpkins page looks pretty good to me. The Mellon Collie-The Wall quote needs a citation, but I think the article is pretty solid. It's not on my watchlist because of the frequency of edits, number of good editors, and personal time limitation. But it looks great to me. Sorry I haven't been doing much in the way of major edits - I was finishing up a busy year of college. And soon I'll be starting a busy summer of work, but if I get the time, I'd love to do more than just look over my watchlist. I still haven't had a chance to have a go at the Cure article. I have to say, though, you're doing a great job with all your work. Keep it up. Folkor 05:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sub Pop

Heya, I've added a bit to the Sub Pop page regarding to explore their branding in the early years, and I was wondering if you had anything you might be able to add. The only reference I have is "Our Band could Be your Life" where it's kind of mentioned fleetingly, there must be something else out there where this is discussed more in depth. maxcap 10:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batman

You edited over my edits improwing my mistakes, I asume that's kind of Thumbs up. The thing is, after your las edit on Batman, it got reversed by somebody that already expresed the need of reducting size but likes to annoy me, and the work was stilli in progress. You know I have a lot of respect for your work, I think people always follow you after you speak or edit. I don't know how you do it, but I suck at it. What should I do? I'd be happy even with a middlepoint. I'd love some advise, help or backing from you. If you want I can leave the whole thing in your hands, it was like magic what youdid in the Enemies of Batman article.

My main idea was to have this article focusing on Modern-age Batman and cannonical data and also have all the other versions on linked sub-articles. As it used to be it was to crowded with info, it was like reading 3 bios in one single humongus article. --T-man, the wise 11:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of the United States

I have reverted your changes again. It is intellectually dishonest to change cited material, because the citations no longer verify the article's claims. If you have a reliable source you can cite, please explain how you propose to change the material in a NPOV-manner on the talk page. Tuf-Kat 22:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I have made some tweaks to more directly state what my source says, feel free to propose further changes on the talk page. Tuf-Kat 11:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] X-Men: The Last Stand, re: Matthew Vaughn

Which two roles did Vaughn cast? I hope they are not some of the characters you left out from the cast list. I think that information would be better for the trivia section. I mean two roles isn't really a lot because most of the major actors came from the other two films. The reference to Layer Cake seems kind of unnecessary as well. Let me know your considerations. Thanks. Facto 09:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] X-Men: The Last Stand, re: Whedon and the Mutant Cure

I'm finding it hard to accept that Joss Whedon should get the credit for being the first to use the Mutant Cure idea when somebody else used it years before (and for all I know, that writer was influenced in turn by earlier stories). Either the entire mention of Whedon should go, or else the other writers who contributed to the development of that idea should be credited. At bare minimum, it should be mentioned that Whedon was not the first to use the idea, even if his particular version of it may have most directly influenced the film script (and how likely is it that Whedon, the geek god, wasn't aware of earlier treatments of this idea?). IMO, the scriptwriters put his character's name in there because they didn't want Whedon's fans screaming that they stole his idea. But in fact, Whedon never claimed to have come up with the idea himself. He is not the first to use it, he is not the first to delve into the ethical choices presented by it, and no Wikipedia article should expound demonstrably unfactual statements. I'm not budging on this, and I've got plenty of spare time at work. If you can come up with a version of that paragraph that will satisfy us both, feel free. But it's factually untrue that Whedon was the first to use that idea, and it's unproven he was the first to use it in an X-Men comic book. He's just one link in a chain.

9/25/06--Wesley, I saw your message, and I respect your opinion--just don't agree with it. Take a little time to compare the Mutant Cure storyline from the animated series with Whedon's much later use of it in Astonishing X-Men--Whedon's story resembles Edens' much more than either resembles the movie. In Whedon's arc, the scientist who claims to have discovered the cure turns out to be a disguised agent of Ord, an alien superbeing trying to eliminate earth's mutants--in the animated series, the scientist who claims to have discovered the cure turns out to be Mystique, working for the mutant supervillian Apocalypse--the big difference is that in Edens' story, the 'cure' simply turns mutants into servants of Apocalypse. That aside, Whedon's story is basically a much longer and more detailed version of the same story--and very different from the movie, where no supervillian is revealed to be behind the mutant cure, which was developed with good intentions, however misguided. I don't think there's a chance in hell Whedon wasn't familiar with the earlier story by Edens (I've seen him recycle other people's work repeatedly, and while I don't necessarily call it plagiarism, I don't call it original either). And therefore, even if we assume the movie's scripters were entirely influenced by Whedon, they were also indirectly influenced by Edens. Though they name one of their characters after Whedon's, it's an entirely different character that just happens to have been given the same name, probably to try and minimize complaints from Whedon's fanbase that he was being plagiarized (this is a sensitive point for the Whedon-fans, since there was talk of him writing/directing X3). The paragraph I edited did directly say that Whedon had been the first to use the idea, so I was replacing inaccurate information with correct (and impeccably sourced) information. If anything, I should have mentioned how similar Whedon's story is to the earlier one, but I figured people could find that out for themselves if they were interested.

[edit] Whatever

Yeah, well your work won't be that hard, since I won't rv more than twice a day. I proposed something with all due respect and my stalker deliberately add that crap disrespecting me. I asked for time and you are so full of yourself that won't respect that either. Yuo wan't to feel superior that's why you are doing it. Why else would you do such thing. I've asked several times to edit the article and instead just kept critizising. Even after I honestly looked up to you and even invite you over. Where did you learn to be so apathic and close minded? who did the same to you?--T-man, the wise 04:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I do not think you are like my stalker, but you're very mean and disrespectful. There are other ways to ofend besides obvious insults, and you cover them all. And you have been avoiding my point since the talk page of that page. I ASKED FOR TIME BEFORE THE TAG WAS PUT THERE. And you are being disrespetful first. And also very cold and sour. You impres with your edits, but when you talk your arrogance ruins it all. I'm being honest, man. At least being clowny I have fun. How do you benefit from what you do?--T-man, the wise 05:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

C'mon you know I mean no harm to you, I only expressed myself. I know a merge takes time, I asked for time before that time. I even stated that there might be a better place to put the info after improving it, but I'm asking for time. I even stated that it could be dealed with as a project not a finished article. I truly believe what I said about you, although I do assume good faith. Wikipedia states that most unaproved articles get merged mostly because of quality issues, whick I know the article had(s). I also believe that the best place for the article is the Batman article, for linking porpuses. That's why I need to work it separatedly for a while. I don't think merging an almost perfect article with one that had 12 times the word "stopped" spelled "stoped". For the 100 it's not an article yet, very rough draft to be merged. If wikipedia were printed I'd add a tag sayin this is a project under construction, not to print.--T-man, the wise 06:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Animated Series Batman

It's amazing to me how difficult this has been. The guy obviously has enthusiasm, we just need to get him to use his powers for good and not evil. --Chris Griswold 07:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Heavy metal citations

I tried to flag the more dubious ones but I'll see what I can track down. maxcap 02:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GREEN DAY Citations

Thanks for the refs; especially for anything you can up with for the "is credited with" statements. I'm pretty sure it's a legit claim, but just in need of a solid source. I had some amount of trouble finding things to edit in this article.... --Xinit 00:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Whoops... I meant the cites on Green Day... I've been flipping back and forth, and I meant the comment about having trouble finding things to edit in Pearl Jam; I obviously didn't have trouble finding things in Green Day... --Xinit 00:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hard rock wikiproject

Are you interested in helping me in creating a WikiProject in hard rock (DavidJJJ 12:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)) If you want to join, put your name on the participants section (BritisH PunK 16:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] In response to "Wikiproject alternative music CotW"

Alright, will do. By the way, please leave new messages at the top of my talk page. Thanks - Bagel7 06:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Never Let Me down Again

===>Capitalization Correct me if I'm wrong, but prepositions aren't to be capitalized unless they are at the begninning or end of the title, and/or they have more than five letters. Thus "Wake Me up Before You Go-Go" and "Stand Up." Let me know if I'm on the wrong track here. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 16:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headings in U2 Article

Hi Wes, i responded to your discussion in the U2 page. Talk:U2#Subheadings. I agree with you in principle, yet when i went through the article, i disagreed with the specific sub-headings you wanted removed. HOWEVER, i did go thru and remove a few from the Joshua Tree and Rattle & Hum sections after considering you point. Cheers.--Merbabu 01:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative music

Well, I hate the concept (an alternative to what exactly?) but I like the music so you just tell me what needs doing and I'll try by best to do it. I disagree with your being American [ : ) ], but am willing to ignore this, so strongly do I agree with your dislike of that miserable, overrated, crap singer and all aroung poor-mans Johnny Marr that is Morrissey. BTW, no a musical subject, I just listened to "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" by The Kinks and would strongly recommend giving it a (re)listen.--Crestville 19:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smashing Pumpkins

I am becoming increasingly agitated with you reverting my changes to the Smashing Pumpkins article. The Smashing Pumpkins were influenced by heavy metal more than any other genre. Billy Corgan even stated in an interview with a Canadian newspaper that the Smashing Pumpkins were "one of the best heavy metal bands in the world." A more appropriate classification for the Smashing Pumpkins would be alternative-metal or at least hard rock. I would also like to add that the Smashing Pumpkins are listed with hard rock artists. I respect that you have contributed a great deal to the Smashing Pumpkins article but I believe that the Smashing Pumpkins are improperly classified by you and many critics. And I would like to think that Billy Corgan knows his band! Obviously someone considers the Smashing Pumpkins to be metal! And obviously someone believes they are hard rock or they would not be listed with hard rock musicians!!

Here you go check this web site on the smashing pumpkins, it justifies the alternative-metal classification. http://music.download.com/2001-8652_32-0.html

AND THIS AS WELL. HERE IS BILLY'S INTERVIEW http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2000/04/1402.cfm

I am willing to compromise. I will stop changing the Smashing Pumpkins' classification on their page IF AND ONLY IF YOU ALLOW ME TO include them with the other alternative metal artists.

[edit] "Learn to Fly" debate

I really don't know what to do about the guy in this debate who doesn't seem to grasp the basic principles of source citation. I'm trying not to get into a revert war over this, but it's really hard to take him seriously since he seems to cause a lot of other trouble. If this keeps up, we might have to bring an administrator into this. Let's both try and keep calm about this, though. WesleyDodds 07:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not really sure what to do here, either. It seems like we have consensus based on the responses, so I assume that would be grounds to going to an administrator, especially if all he does is revert. (And, given his other edits, I don't think it would take long for the admins to make a call.)
I still keep hoping that this will solve itself. I emailed Billboard Research in early June about the goof, and received a response confirming that it was a mistake and that they'd pass on the info to "the appropriate people" (the web folks, I assume). But I received the response on June 16th, and nothing's happened yet. -- ChrisB 04:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I have given my reason as to why I keep reverting your comments.ITS ORIGINAL RESEARCH!!and you still have not given me any proof to prove me wrong.-CAYA

[edit] HIM

I will respond to both comments stated:

  1. Unclaasifibale: They are unclassifiable. Can you put them into one class of music, no. That's pretty self explained.
  2. Rock: All forms of music written on the article are not forms of rock. Metal is not a type of rock. Metal is a genre on it's own. To say they are purely rock would be inaccurate.

— The King of Kings 02:31 July 13 '06

Well, pending on furthur consensus here, I wouldn't assume everyone here thinks that Metal is a form of Rock. No, its not unclassifiable because editors haven't come to a consensus, but because we haven't got that 3 sources to begin with. HIM is unclassifiable because every source we come across says something differant. I've seen it listed as love metal, gothic love metal (although it doesn't exist), every genre listed on the article, rock, pop, emo and more. Thus they are unclassifiable. — The King of Kings 02:42 July 13 '06
Actually, thinking about it, metal does sorta fit under the genre of rock. But still theres the issue of what genre to list first as there are many types that could be listed. I'm adding the above (except (gothic) love metal) to the list on the article. — The King of Kings 02:51 July 13 '06
I can live with musical group. What I did before was just have the word "band" before, but thn it was discussed on the talk page and we changed it to unclassifiable (and then I linked it to its section). But I guess that works too. — The King of Kings 02:59 July 13 '06

[edit] re: More music samples

I have a few songs by most of those artists, but I'm not completely familiar with them, if you could let me know some specific songs by them that would help --Surachit 03:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] reverting to allmusic.com

Why do you keep reverting to that poor description by allmusic.com on the heavy metal article?

[edit] Alternative music collaboration of the week

Hey Wesley (hope you dont mind if I call you that), I was just wondering if the Alternative music collaboration of the week was still in operation. I added a vote for Smashing Pumpkins, and realized all of the other ones were a month old. Is it dead or what? --Reaper X →T →C 21:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No One Owns the article

I understand your frustration, but keep in mind no one owns the article. While the merits of the additions are questionable, everyone has the right to contribute. WesleyDodds 21:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Wesley .. yeah i know... but how can you support this ... "pop punk revival" ... this is useless and is competely unreferenced and unsubstantiated... we need to get this all figured out.. it shouldnt be that difficult. Xsxex 01:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Green Day

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Seems like I have been seeing a lot of bogus reverts by this AntiVandalBot lately... -- Xinit 17:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AKA

So do people call you the Sandman?
Sorry for the bad pun Whispering 19:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Green Day

I'd like to ask your help with Green Day. Countless edits are made everyday to this page, arguments continue over the band's genre and point of origin, and even cited material is being changed. On a related note there is currently discussion about the split of the pop punk page into Pop punk and Pop punk revival. I trust your ability to maintain the integrety of sources and evaluate the contributions of others, so any help you can offer would be appreciated. WesleyDodds 07:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be happy to help! I'll see if I can start working on it this weekend. I threw in a quick note to the pop punk revival discussion, but I'll try and get more involved in that in the next few days. (I saw one familiar editor name in that discussion that put the whole thing into focus.) I'll try and dig up some sources on "pop punk", too - I'm almost positive that the term wasn't used (at all) until the late 80s indie punk scene, and not popularly until the mid-90s. -- ChrisB 14:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dods

Hey man.. im with you on the pop punk revival (yeah well im outspoken and have NO LIFE) .. but yeah cool... pop punk revival ... does that make any sense... in some ways its like the Aguilera song surviver... cause i think having to back up my opinion makes me stronger.. but its still a pain in the ass.. The whole (pop punk) article needs a good overhaul.. but well keep workin it.. but yeah this is what i wrote in dec. 2004 - http://bvio.ngic.re.kr/Bvio/index.php/Punk_pop does that link work? it needed some major work but i was really stoked when i checked back a few months back and found the article to be relatively still intact (and vastly improved)... speaking of which i am attempting to do some writing about punk and (as i've gathered from your profile.. you do too) are you on myspace? im trying to connect with fellow writers who are interested and have knowledge of this subject material. Thanks! Xsxex 21:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nirvana

Nirvana are not punk rock eh? I agree that is not their primary genre, but what do you call "territorial pissings" "drain you" "stay away" "downer" "on a plain" "tourettes" "very ape" "negative creep" and probably about a total of close to half of their catalog other than punk rock, or at least very heavily pubk inspired. I won't change it again till we've talked about it some, but honestly I think Nirvana are at least moderately punk rock. sure, they're not the ramones, the damned, the sex pistols, black flag, dead kennedys, or anything else where punk is the only label that can really be used, but kurt cobain was so heavily influenced by punk rock and incorporated it into their songs so much that I think they qualify. Razorhead

Nirvana incoporated punk a lot more than pretty much all of the other grunge bands, save maybe mudhoney and the melvins, who were about equal. pearl jam, soundgarden, alice in chains, screaming trees etc. all sound a lot less punk than nirvana. so I wouldn't say all alternative rock bands were as influenced by punk as nirvana were. Razorhead

Yes I know alternative rock is more than grunge I thought you were specifically referring to the grunge movement when you said alternative rock, it's a really really broad phrase and hardly tells you anything about a band's genre anymore since lots of nu metal and modern rock bands get labelled as "alternative" because there isn't a convienient name for them. anyways, getting back on topic, I would probably also label The Pixies, Sonic Youth, and especially Husker Du (which are usually labelled a mix between hardcore and alt-rock anyways) as punk as a genre. When bands get classified I think it's a good idea to include all subgenres that they may belong to, to give the reader of the article an idea of perhaps the band's variety of taste etc. And since a very large amount of Nirvana songs could easily be called punk rock, I think punk would not be that much of a stretch to call them. Razorhead (I'm still getting used to this whole message someone like you are editing a page thing, it's kinda weird to me, so I'm probably not signing it the "correct" way)

[edit] Question

Should {{heavymetal}} in heavy metal be replaced with {{rock}}? Psychomelodic (people from Alpha Centauri think that I look like Zelig write your own!) 12:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article

I know you have contributed a lot to Green Day, and so have I, and I think it classifies as a Good Article, don't you? I think we should nominate it, only I don't know how. Compare the article 2 weeks ago to now. There have been huge improvments, and our efforts shouldn't go unnoticed. Scrumshus 15:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

POV? What's that? Anways, you said "cut down" on album info, isn't it the more the merrier? Or will readers get bored with reading one huge thing instead of a couple shorter ones? In the mentime, I'll search the article for any "fannish" writing and try to re-word it. Scrumshus 22:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
So what you're saying is leave the important album info for the album's page? Scrumshus 22:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Gotcha. Actually I put those song info there because before the article looked so short and depressing. :) Scrumshus 22:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SP FAC time?

Hey Wesley,

As a fellow editor who patrols the Smashing Pumpkins article, I first would like to thank you for your hard work on the page, especially with regards to the overhaul related to the peer review. What I'd like to say is that it seems to me that you've implemented most, if not all, of what was recommended there. Given that the article is otherwise fairly stable (barring massive new reunion details before early 2007) and comprehensive, I don't see why you don't go ahead and give it the shove to featured article candidate. You'll get an even more critical bunch of eyes helping to polish the article to near-perfection, and of course gain the coveted FA nod should you succeed. It would also give yet another rationale to protect the article from fawning fan-cruft - "please keep standards high - this is a featured article and we'd like to keep it like that". Basically, I don't know what else you can do with the article, and I'd personally love to see it reach FA-level, although I'm currently tied up with an FAC myself (35 mm film). In any case, keep up the good work and good luck! Girolamo Savonarola 23:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's time to reconsider this again - getting the article FA'd right now is a good way to establish a quality standard against which future additions can be held. If this doesn't happen shortly, then the article will - at least for a few months - be considered non-FAC quality, since the reunion in full gear will make them consider it too unstable. If FAC'd before then, it will make all writing on the reunion more solid, because it will need to be good enough to maintain the FA standard. I don't think that there's much else for the article to improve on prior to the reunion, so why not do this now? :) Girolamo Savonarola 22:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gimme Indie Rock

Yeah I think your right; honestly, I can't remember the last time I actually read the articles until today. These three pargraphs from indie music [3],[4], [5], could probably be incorporated into the indie rock article, to help flesh it out. I'm not a big fan of the list at the top of the "current trends" section in the indie rock page, or it's title, what do you think? maxcap 19:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Pumpkins Stuff

Hey Wesley. I already mentioned this on the SP talk page, but I want you to look at this line I stripped from the Billy Corgan page.

"Avery has been sighted recording with the band, but former Smashing Pumpkins and Hole bass player Melissa Auf der Maur is said to be competing with Avery for the position.[6]."

Quite the piece of info, but its not on the SP page. I would have added it, but I'm not sure about the legitimacy of [7]. Could you perhaps take a peek, and give your opinion? Thanks. --Reaper X 18:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music

Whats up? Hi, I'm trying to gather some more interest and support for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music. Please check out the topics and lets get our WikiProject to function better. I've taken an interest in the Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop and I consider that WikiProject to be better developed. Hopefully we can all work together to improve articles relating to punk. Also, I am trying to gather support and opinions concerning the punk house article and specifically the Theta Beta Potata article which is currently in AfD (x2) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theta Beta Potata (second nomination). Please check it out and voice your opinion. Xsxex 06:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SP discography page

I'm sure you probably already noticed, but I attempted to broker a compromise on the erroneous singles section by creating separate sections for promo-only releases and remixes, only to have it reverted again. I'm not interested in an edit war, but there was been some discussion on the talk page and I thought maybe you'd like to look again at my edit in the page history and then weigh in - having several editors concurring probably should close the matter, I would think. Anyway, thanks! Girolamo Savonarola 12:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Greetings

Hello Wesley, I noticed that you seem to edit alot of things which you have interest in, as do I, and noticed that we seem to have similar interests and seeing as I plan to keep contributing to Wikipedia increasingly often I thought it would be nice to introduce myself and discuss some things.

I know you like The Smashing Pumpkins as do I. They happen to be my favorite band all time and I own every album from Gish to Machina II (aside from Machina which I lost during my recent move and have yet to replace). If you need sound clips for the page I have alot and would be willing to help. The problem is that Im not too familiar with all of Wikipedia's functions (or HTML for that matter), but Im learning as I go. If you could possibly point me to some nice need to know information Id appreciate it. The wikipedia tutorial is a bit drawn out in my opinion. Like how I could put clips up on Wikipedia, Id take the time to do it.

I also noticed that you requested a fair use image from the vieuphoria dvd. I could get screenshots from the video or the cover art, but i wouldnt know how to prove it is fair use. Heres the cover if that helps at all: [[8]]((Man, I feel like a complete noob))

Im also trying to solve the HIM genre dispute in a similar fashion to how The Smashing Pumpkins genre is listed. Please check the talk page, Id appreciate your input. Lamentingvampire09 11:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, cool thanks. Ill talk to Phorque and Ill also try and make a few fair use samples. I assume they would have to be singles seeing as those are well known and singularly released songs, correct? About how many would you want? Like a handful(5 or so), or one or two off of each album? I can get whatever you want, even stuff from Machina II. Lamentingvampire09 23:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should put Ava Adore on there. Its noticably electronic and it would show The Pumpkins experimentation with the genre. I can probably have the clips up and made in a day or two. And I think Ill also put up other songs for the seperate albums and songs. Ill come back and tell you when Ive made the clips so you can tell me what to do with them.Lamentingvampire09 00:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, for the Fair Use pictures, would we be able to justify the fair use of the picture from WP:Fair use#Images? Would that be suitable? It says Cover Art for albums and DVDs are fair use so long as they are low resolution. Could we just slap on a template to justify it as fair use if it meets the criteria?

[edit] Comics Cleanup

You are one of the best editors working on comics-related articles on Wikipedia. I'd like to inite you to join the new WikiProject I've started: WikiProject Comics Cleanup. Similarly to how the WP:CMC collaboration works to elevate articles to Featured Article status, the primary goal of this new project is to coordinate group cleanup efforts on articles, copy editing, condensing, and providing citations where needed. The secondary goal is to remind good editors that there are other good editors who have the same goals.

This will also help prepare articles for Wikipedia 1.0 assessment, a project I am currently working on pulling together for WP:CMC. I'd really appreciate your membership, but I do understand if you find yourself to be too busy to participate. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bongos

Wesley, I enjoyed your article on Alternative Rock. I'm suprised, though, that you fail to include The Bongos in your shortlist of early alternative bands. They were contemporaries of The DBs, The Feelies, and R.E.M., and one the first to receive national attention with "Drums Along The Hudson" (igniting the Hoboken pop scene) and "Numbers With Wings" (one of the first major label Alternative Rock releases from that particular era). I did try to add The Bongos to your page in the appropriate spot, but it was immediately removed. My intention of course was merely to make sure this seminal group was not overlooked. Regards, Robert Banks.

Thanks for your reply, and for your thoughtful reporting! I beg to differ, though, that The Bongos are more obscure than The DBs. Or less important, especially considering the Bongos were one of the first American alternative groups to break through on the early MTV (when it was actually music television), and to make it to the Billboard charts with their 1980 cover of T.Rex's Mambo Sun. R.E.M and Let's Active were influenced by the Bongos (ask them) and one of Let's Active's first shows was performing at the Bongos' RCA signing party at Maxwell's in Hoboken. I was there. Their debut album, "Drums Along The Hudson" is set for release in late '06 or early '07 on Cooking Vinyl Records (U.S. and U.K.). I would ask you to reconsider adding them to your excellent article. Thanks, R. Banks 14 September , 2006

[edit] Wikipedia:Notability (comedy)

I've created Wikipedia:Notability (comedy) to help editors in deciding the notability of comedy- and humor-related articles. You are an editor whom I respect and admire. I would appreciate any commentary you may be able to provide to help hammer it into shape. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Smashing Pumpkins

No it doesn't adhere better to wiki standarts. We have some sort of standarts of band pages. And I am very sorry, but Smashing Pumpkins isn't at the way it should be. So please, do not revert my work, just because you don't like it. All of us are here to provide some work and I just plain hate nasty and ungrounded reverts.

Regards: Painbearer 08:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, sorry for my behaviour. You see, when there is a danger of revert war, I just... well, it is difficult. There are some people, who just... are sorta untouchable. Anyways, browse through some articles and you will see that we have this structure - one general paragraph of band-history (yeah, I know it's empty) and the rest is about the band-history. That's the way most of the articles are structured here. I am not saying it is the perfect way, but... I just can't find anything better. I think it's not the best way in each portion of the band's history on its own paragraph. From first look it sometimes can be confusing for readers. And I am striving for informative and point-blank articles.

Regards and sorry again...: Painbearer 08:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Madness

Hey, why do you insist that Madness is a rock band when nobody really call them so. Pop band would much more suitable for their sound or if we want to be specific it should be 2tone/New Wave. Pietaster 13:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indie (music) edits

I saw that you reverted the linkspam User:Stevend06 posted in the above-mentioned article. I do not know if you noticed, but posting such linkspam makes up the entirety of this guy's edit history. He needs to be reported to an administrator to be blocked for persistent vandalism. He is a menace. ---Charles 03:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject On Emo Music

Hey, I've noticed you contributed to Emo Music talk page with a research you've done (in GuitarWorld magazine), and the article overally looks great. However, tons of wiki pages about bands in any way related to Emo (The Used, FATA, SOTY, Thrice, FFAF, FFTL etc) undergo severe editing in their genre paragraphs, and it becomes malice, when one second the band is Emo, another second it's something else. I've started WikiProject On Emo Music in order to improve those wikipedia articles. If you're interested in participating, please visit the Front Page of the project. Thanks. Iceness 09:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snakes on a Plane

Did I tell you I had lunch with the guy who wrote Snakes on a Plane? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

David Dallesandro, the original writer, works at the University of Pittsburgh, of which I am an alumnus. I maintain the list of Pitt alumni/staff on Wikipedia, and someone added this information about the Dallesandro early one morning. I immediately emailed and set up lunch with him. He sold the script years ago, and it was apparently very different. The hero character makes anti-venom for a living; there was only one species of snake involved, a naturally agressive venomous one that he built up like the velociraptors in Jurassic Park; and the snakes almost never actually bit onscreen becase he was trying for a Hitchcockian suspense feel. He hates the movie: He hates the title, that there are non-venomous snakes in the film, that the airplane is laid out wrong, etc, and it embarrasses him a little. He thinks the Internet phenomenon was stupid. He also tols me that at one point it was going to be an MTV "teens on a high school trip" movie.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 14:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post-punk

Is there a source for your definition of post-punk besides your feeling that you know it when you hear it? It seems strange to say that bands were often labeled "post-punk" that were more accurately labeled "alternative rock"--if people often call a kind of music "post-punk", isn't that what "post-punk" is? What reality does a musical label have besides people's use of it to label music? Nareek 02:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sex Pistols FARC

Hi Wesley, would you mind having a glance over the text of Sex Pistols. I'm looking to iron out obvoious weak copy - the article has being undergoing a 'heated' FAR for a few weeks now, and while the first task was to repair a damaged article, it now needs skilled copy editors to tidy up. I've noticed you've edited Sex Pistols before, and have seen youre work on Smashing Pumpkins. Which is why I'd greatly appreciate youre help here. Thanks guy - Coil00 22:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the help on this over the weekend. I'll take a look at Public Image Ltd. sure, I've also been meaning to work on My Bloody Valentine for a while now, and Morrissey needs a good overhaul. Anyway, thanks again - Coil00 19:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Green Day recent edit

I think that the information you put back should be put at the album page of American Idiot. Other than that this section needs significant trimming.

Regards: Painbearer 07:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Altrock template

Why no piano? Ninety percent of alternative rock bands feature a piano. --172.193.16.56 00:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Rock music

Hey Wesley,
I've seen what you have done with WikiProject Alternative music, and the contributions you have made to some articles (particularily The Smashing Pumpkins) and I am impressed.
so firstly, I invite you to provide your input and leadership in WikiProject Hard Rock. I have proposed to its creator, DavidJJJ, and other members that this WikiProject be expanded to include rock music in general, as no such WikiProject exists. I would greatly appreciate your comments/concerns.
Secondly, for the continuous work you have done, I feel obligated to give you this:

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I, Reaper X, give you this barnstar for your work with articles of the alternative rock genre (most notably WikiProject Alternative music), and other music articles. Reaper X 22:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


Cheers. --Reaper X 22:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Announcement: It's an administrator!

WesleyDodds, thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was a robust 62/1/1, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any questions about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks again, Chris Griswold

[edit] Your Britpop work

The Barnstar of High Culture
I, Dsims209, give you this barnstar for your work on the Britpop article for attending it daily, keeping it in check from other editors and turning it into a first class well-kept article. Dsims209 19:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


At one point I rewrote the entire article by scratch. After I took it from another site and was critisized for doing it. Of which I remorsed and still do, and after that I roll up my sleeves and decided to rewrite it from scratch. It was good work and we improved on it. Your barnstar is something as a collective achievement for me. I feel it that way. Congratulations.

Other than that I strongly disagree. We need separate sections. I think the article is better with it. There was a period of semi-resurgence-semi-decline with The Verve and Radiohead and some records including Supergrass and Blur from the 1999-2000, but somewhere when Britney Spears beat the crap out of everyone in 2000, it was over. So, I am opinionated and I think we need separate sections.

Other than that:

Regards: Painbearer 10:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Pearl Jam

Err, yikes, this guy sounds pretty unfriendly. Anyhow, haha, I have a request that sounds similar to what may be here. Is it all all possible for you to go to Talk:Pearl Jam give the reasons that you feel Pearl Jam should be listed under more genre's than only "Grunge"? I feel like I'm the only voice opposing User:dposse. Thanks. -MattWatt 17:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SLTS

I think the article looks good! I'm personally not a fan of the composition section (and, in general, describing a song in words), just because I strongly doubt any of those issues were in consideration when the song was written. (It's mainly the descriptive elements - I think the similiarity parts are fine and noteworthy.) I'm not saying that content shouldn't be there - I just don't find it scholarly. The second paragraph of that section reads like a sixth grade English assignment to describe a favorite song. But that may just be me.  :)

Apologies for so often being MIA. I started a new job this summer, and I'm having a little bit of trouble scheduling time to sit down and work on stuff (especially responding to messages). I've gotten to the point where I just kind of log in, remove vandalism, yell at some idiot, and log off. But I am hoping to make some more time soon - I'd started working on some Green Day stuff, but it looks like you've gotten the article a long way since then.

I'm actually waffling a little as to whether or not it's even worth putting the Cobain article up for FA. Nobody ever seems happy with the suicide/murder elements, and I half expect someone to object to the article for that section alone. -- ChrisB 05:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batman

Really nice work on the Batman article, bringing it much more in line with Wikipedia's preference for avoiding wholly in-universe perspective in character biographies. Doczilla 19:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Bat-scans!

I will try to get these within the next few days. There's also a cover with Bane doing that. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Here: I think I actually prefer the first page of Batman and the Outsiders to the cover. I still need to find something for Year One. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
For the Year One images, what would you like? I can get anything, but I am thinking either the almost black and white picture of Bruce just sitting in front of the two gravestones or the frame where Batman says, "You've eaten well" as he attacks a bunch of rich people. Thoughts? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SLTS

I noticed you have started including the tracklistings for each Smells Like Teen Spirit release. There are many more. If you go to this site: http://www.sliver.it/nirvana/test/index.html click on official releases, then look under singles it has the most complete list of releases for the song on the internet. It might be of some use for you. 195.137.109.177 13:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post-Punk article

Hello,

I am going to start cleaning up the two Post-Punk articles. Just wanted to let you kow, as you seem to be the main person handling those articles. if you'd like to work together on this, I'd be happy to. To give you some idea of my involvement with the post-punk movement. I have been in touch with most of the new generation of post-punk revival bands through my site post-punk.com, as well as many of the original people involved with the scene. I have been studying the history of this style, and it's various influences and things it has influenced for the past 7 or so years.

Thanks, and I appreciate your passion for this movement. I'll try and let you know anytime I make any major edits to the article as well. --FACT50 21:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll be happy to do that. Thanks --FACT50 21:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I propose adding a general disclaimer to any of the bands in the post-punk list that may be disputed as Alternative. Perhaps something simple like. "This is a band that crossed over from Post-Punk to Alternative Rock in the mid-80's", or "This band is often categorized as both Post-Punk, and Alternative Rock". Or something along those lines. Personally the people that read and frequent my site always (and I mean even the older people that actually were part of the movement) refer to bands like J&MC, Pixies, Husker Du, Big Black as Post-Punk bands. Albeit later Post-Punk. I think by doing this we would eliminate the debate of whether or not many of these bands belong in the list. I almost removed the RHCP from the list, because in my opinion they were more influenced by straight Funk. However it has recently come to light that they were and are huge fans of Gang of Four. So I left the link. I did not include Janes Addiction, Fishbone, or Fugazi because while they were all influenced by Post-Punk in their own ways, none of them were directly attempting to keep the post-punk sound alive. Rather take elements from those bands to create their own styles. Which is why I included some of the later 80's bands such as Mighty Lemon Drops, and Kitchens of Distinction, because both of those bands were proudly attempting to revitalize the dying Post-Punk scene at that time. Actually I should also add Disco Inferno. Their first LP is a straight homage to Factory Records and bands like Wire as well. Furthermore I think that a true cut off point for the Post-Punk revival, and the original run of bands is 1991. This is right around the time where anything being released that was influenced by Post-Punk was being categorized as Dreampop and Shoegaze. Prior to that, their were still bands creating music in the same mold as the original 77-83 era. I also highly reccomend you find a copy of George Gimarcs "Post-Punk Diaries 1980-83". It is a sequel to his older book "The Punk Diary 1977-79", and covers a HUGE range of bands that IMHO belong in the Post-Punk canon. It also predates Simon Reynoylds book by a good 5 or 6 years.

As far as the link goes that is fine. I'll just go post a bulletin on my myspace account, and have one of our readers re-instate it. I had this problem recently when my music project had it's article removed too. Thanks --FACT50 17:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Actually ignore all of that, I came up with a very simple solution. I created a new sub-header for Post-Punk influenced bands. I'm tossing everything between 1984-1991 in this section (including Husker Du, Big Black, and RHCP), I'm also going to create a sub-header for notable labels that released Post-Punk bands in the 80's. If you feel this belongs in a seperate article, feel free to move it. Also please add any labels I might have missed. --FACT50 18:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I had to put The Stone Roses back on the list, because some of their earliest songs such as "Fall", and "So Young" (as heard on the Garage Flower EP) are outright Post-Punk music. I'm fine with the removal of the other Madchester bands though, in hindsight I suppose that was kind of a backlash to Post-Punk. --FACT50 18:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Well I could argue The Smiths place with songs such as "London" but they are already a pretty huge and well known band, so i don't mind if we don't include them. I added Janes Addiction (I was debating adding them earlier, but only included Perry Farrels first band "Psi-Com"). I was debating Primus, but I don't think they would really fit in well with this list, even though they do draw a bit of influence from some older post-punk bands. I'd like to keep Sonic Youth in the old school links, because they did start in 1980/81 right at the tail end of the No Wave movement (if I'm not mistaken). Though they really came to prominence during the mid 80's. I'm cool with the list we have for now, I think between the two of us we've covered just about every known post-punk band. --FACT50 18:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Drake

Hi Wesley, if you get a chance at some stage, would you mind reading over Nick Drake. I've put the article up for Peer Review, would like to eventually take it to FAC, and would appreciate any critical comment/direction. On a side note, I think The Smashing Pumpkins is about there for FA, it's certainly a good story and well told in the article. BTY, If you want sound files added to this or any other article, just ask. - Coil00 20:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I've left a few suggestion on my talk. - Coil00 21:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok. You might give me a hand with the captions over the next few days, if you have time. Wasn't trilled by the Zen Arcade samples either, maybe worth bringing up on the talk page there. And thanks for the N. Drake copyedits. - Coil00 22:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
That's ok - to be honest, I really dislike Led Zepplin, except maybe for 'Rock&Roll', which I consider a fluke good song. My girlfriend likes them though (sigh), and so I do have many, many files. What in the hell does 'MST3K' mean though. Ach, the Mondays, but what great bass lines. The singing and guitar was often poor though, I suppose. - Coil00 00:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character history section

I noticed your comment on Talk:Xorn. Is there anywhere it's written in policy or guidance that a character with few appearances should not have a character history section? If not, there should be. Any idea where to put that? The WP:CMC talk page or WP:WAF? It seems that character articles are just created to house their history and left. --PsyphicsΨΦ 20:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I wasn't all that clear, though I agree with what you said. I was thinking that minor characters, with few appearances of no greater import than "Mr. X fought Spider-Man in issue #223 of The Amazing Spider-Man" should have maybe a character sketch, but they don't need a play-by-play of that battle (or those few battles). I was thinking it'd be better to remove the history from these characters and instead insert a character sketch, describing the character's origin, powers, and maybe costume at most, if not just the origin and powers. Like the character descriptions in the Young Avengers article. --PsyphicsΨΦ 14:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rock infobox

The template needs to be easy read. I've removed a lot of sub-genres, and cleaned it up a little bit, but since there is so much information one needs to be able to navigate it well. It allows the more popular/influentual ones to top the list, so people can find what they want without having to read every single one to find what they are looking for. I looked at what you said in the edit summary and tried to fix that. It needs to be fixed, so what would you change about this layout:

Rock and roll | Rock genres
Alternative rock | British Invasion | Country rock | Hard rock | Heavy metal | Power pop | Psychedelic | Punk rock | Rockabilly | Soft rock | Southern rock
Arena rock | Blues-rock | Boogaloo | Folk-rock | Garage rock | Girl group | Glam rock | Hardcore | Instrumental rock | Jam band | Progressive rock | Surf | Symphonic rock |
Aboriginal rock | Anatolian rock | Art rock | Chicano rock | Detroit rock | Glam metal | Heartland rock | Jangle pop | Krautrock | Madchester | Mersey sound | Piano rock | Post-rock | Pub rock (Aussie) | Pub rock (UK) | Punta rock | Raga rock | Samba-rock |
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[edit] Punk Rock FAR

Hi Wesley, as you predicted Punk Rock is up for FAR. The concerns are the lead (too short) and inline citations (not enough). I can fill out the refs if you wouldn't mind taking a look at the lead. - Coil00 00:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget to vote on this one. Good work on the lead, bty. + Ceoil 20:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
"While it is thought that punk declined in the 1980s". Sentence is problematic, the intended meaning is unclear. 'declined' -in qaulity, popularity, sales, or what. When in the 80's, and who thought that, etc, etc. I realise its a ref to punks-not-dead (per exploited etc), but I'm having diffuculty citing the current wording, would appreciated if you could copy edit, as it has been tagged. + Ceoil 01:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zoo TV

I did a big copy edit. Some of the stuff i can't believe was in there. Lots of unreferenced WP:OR, sentionlist wording (including the word sentional), etc, etc. I think there is also waaaaaaaaaaay too much rehashing of the each stage of the show, and very little discussion of the themes. The little discussion there is is done badly. JUdging from your minor edit battle today, you might like my changes: [9] --Merbabu 09:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, have you ever thought about archiving your talk page? You can leave say the last two weeks - or how muhc you want. See mine: User talk:Merbabu. It's easy.--Merbabu 09:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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