Talk:West Briton

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Trinity College Dublin is the last functioning presence of British/Unionist power in the Republic of Ireland. If there was a list of things in the Republic of Ireland which deserve to be associated with the term "West Briton", Trinity College would definitely be at the top of the list. It is a mecca for the Irish Anglophile.

It is the ONLY College in the Republic of Ireland with a Unionist Society, a Unionist Society which is proud to call itself "west brit": http://www.csc.tcd.ie/~unionist/articles/article2.htm

If you can find any other institution in the Republic which likes to be associated with the term "west brit", I'd like to hear it.

You are quoting out of one context, their is one insignificant quote using the term in that article. The term was once widely (not particularily regarding the college) used but wikipedia is not here to make a term fashionable or "join the dots" for people - the term is historical. Wikipedia should and must be impartial and npov - indeed I suspect that you have an agenda to simply promote the link between the term and the college for your own ends, so what if the college has a unionist society. Djegan 16:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

From what I remember, the society was run by a small number of people and has been inactive for several years - namely since those people graduated. It has been suggested that it was largely run by one person who went by the nickname "Ozymandias" on Usenet. Being a society does not imply that TCD approves of the societies' ideology, merely that it has met certain criteria set down by the Central Societies Committee. (Minimum number of members signed up, nothing to exclude students on arbitrary grounds are two criteria that come to mind.) If the person who made the orginal comments about the Unionist society were to follow their argument consistently, TCD would have to support the ideology of every political society that is recognised by the CSC! Autarch 18:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Even if I have an "agenda" it is still very disingenuous of you to say that "it is hard to see the link, even if you use your imagination."

As opposed to, say, citing the existence of a (defunct) college society as somehow typical of everyone there? Autarch 18:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

It is clear for all to see that there are very strong links between Trinity College Dublin and Britain. Their Boat club is called the "Lady Elizabeth Boat Club", the college was officially opened by Queen Elizabeth I, its sister colleges are in the universities of Oxford and Cambridge. The College's coat of arms leaves no one under the illusion as to its patriotic allegiance.

"West Briton" is a outdated term, more suited to the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries - any current use of it is simply agenda driven such as political slander and has no place here by trying to resurrect its usage. By your reasoning other agenda terms such as "Paddy", etc could be considered equally valid in other articles as recommended reading. Read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not; certainly points 1.3 and 1.4 would be valid in this case as why not to include West Briton in the article. Djegan 18:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm bewildered by the original posters' comments - whose "political allegiance" is being questioned - the students, the faculty, the graduates, or anybody else? Frankly, whoever made those comments is living in a timewarp! Autarch 18:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Djegan is intolerant of any slant on TCD. ALL POV == NPOV. Metaphysicist 22:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Please read no personal attacks. Djegan 23:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Why? Have I engaged in a personal attack? You are intolerant of any slant on TCD. That's not an attack, simply an accurate statement based on all your previous responses.Metaphysicist 15:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I accuse you of nothing, but please keep the talk relevant to the article and this is not a place for making accusations against editors. I am not intolerant of "slant" against tcd, i have never being their and hold no interest in the place. Moreover I think every article should be balanced and that this is fundemental part of what an article is. But you might read criticism of Wikipedia to understand why controversial or original thinking is not approved of after several high profile scandals over articles. Djegan 18:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Belittling Trinity or its' students is as ridiculous as saying "I went to Trinity, you didn't, yah boo sucks!". Both show snobbery which is definitely POV and has no place in an encyclopedia. As I've pointed out before, if TCD is considered Unionist because of a defunct Unionist society, it must also be considered pro-Fianna Fáil, pro-Fine Gael, pro-Green, pro-Sinn Féin, pro-everything that has an active society. Autarch 15:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I would be greatful if you make it clear if your comments are meant for me, or otherwise, in any case review WP:NPA (for your since removed comments). Djegan 15:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

My apologies - I directed them at the wrong person - I think the comments I meant to reply to were from Metaphysicist. I toned down the original comments after putting them up - I my temper and only realised after I'd saved the page that I'd clearly violated the NPA policy. My sincerest apologies to you on both counts. Autarch 15:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I am going to remove the reference to Ross O'Carroll Kelly, he is not a West Brit and the reference is a transparent attempt to provide through traffic to his article.

I can see why, he's from the Southside and played rugby - all part of the stereotype. Autarch 15:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)