Portal talk:Warcraft

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Purge template

There's a good reason I've added the "purge" template to the bottom of the page. I've had the problem on the portal:computer and video games that when you edit the content in one of the boxes it doesn't show right away on the portal page, so this makes it difficult to check if the layout is ok. When you click on purge, it should refresh everything and add all the latest content from the boxes. I've added some content to the page, mainly so there's no empty boxes. Feel free to change anything I've added though. Jacoplane 07:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Cool. I had the problem earlier today when I was updating some boxes. I finally ended up playing around with the URL until I got the right syntax for a purge. This should make it easier. XD --Arabani 08:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Portal

Excuse my ignorance, but what do we do with a portal? Is it primarily for people who write on Wikipedia or is it something people who only read Wikipedia also use? - UnlimitedAccess 05:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Straight from the main Wikiportal page: “Wikiportals are Wikipedia pages intended to be the main pages for Wikipedians interested in a specific area of knowledge, helping both to find the information on the specific topic and to develop articles connected with it. They can be associated with one or more WikiProjects. Unlike WikiProjects, however, they are meant to be used both by editors and by readers of Wikipedia.” Hopefully that answers your question. I can't really answer it much better than what I just quoted. Plus portals are just cool. --Arabani 06:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Ahh, excellent... nice work. But to be honest im a little scared, what if the Warcraft Portal encourages people to write even more articles on Warcraft! I have been deleteing and mergeing like mad! :) - UnlimitedAccess 13:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Heh, well, hopefully it won't encourage more Warcraft articles (at least ones that shouldn't be articles). However, the portal does serve as a rather nice starting place for browsing and finding Warcraft articles, which I think outweighs the inconvenience of having to merge articles. Speaking of which, how do you watch out for Warcraft articles that shouldn't be articles? Should the portal cause more superfluous articles to be created, I'd be more than willing to help merge them. XD --Arabani 13:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Well I was joking, I dont think the portal is a bad thing :), I had been wanting a central place to discuss some of the Warcraft pages and the structure behind them. How do I find superfluous article? Well I check, "What links here" out of curosity on most pages and when I see an article I havnt read yet, it catches my eye... Sometimes a new article will "rop" up in one of the many Warcraft categories. - UnlimitedAccess 14:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Merge

Oppose - Warcraft is not about the computer game alone, it's about the lore. Which has no place on the Computer and Videogames portal. Havok (T/C) 17:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Oppose - I agree with Havok. While Warcraft may have started as just another game, it has become much more than that, with lore being a large part of Warcraft - it is just as much about the story behind the Warcraft universe as it is about gameplay ... furthermore, books and tabletop games (both of which Warcraft has) don't exactly belong in Computer and Videogames. --Arabani 20:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Comment - Perhaps I picked the wrong portal to suggest a merge to. My main thought is that this is quite a narrow topic for a portal, and the material here might reach a broader audience if it was included in a more broadly based portal. Perhaps there should be a Portal:Role-playing games? My feeling is that people who don't know anything about Warcraft are unlikely to feel like visiting a Warcraft portal, but are much more likely to visit a computer games or role-playing games portal. The broader the topic title, the more people are likely to visit it. Worldtraveller 08:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Comment - That is all and well, but I'm inclined to think that the portal is in a way created for people who know what Warcraft is as well, not only people who have never heard of it. It's a collection of everyones work in one place. A way for the visitors to find exactly what they are looking for when it comes to Warcraft. Havok (T/C) 08:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  - Well, it all depends who you want to read the material. I just think that a Warcraft portal is only likely to attract people who already know what Warcraft is, and that people who don't know what it is are probably better served by its article than by a whole portal. As part of a larger portal, all the benefits you list could be retained, but with the added bonus of attracting a wider readership. Worldtraveller 10:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Oppose - Portals do not need to be broadly focused to be useful, and this portal is an excellent way to organise the information about Warcraft, which is, in itself, a broad topic. --K. AKA Konrad West TALK 10:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- If it's about organising content, what does a portal give you that a category doesn't?Worldtraveller
  - To be honest, I originally made the portal because I thought it'd be cool if Warcraft had one. XD

With that said, portals have the potential to be much more powerful than simple category pages. First, portals are much prettier than category pages. Second, portals can be used to direct viewer's attention to articles that could use cleaning up ... it's harder to do that with category pages. And I can't think of a third reason at the moment. But anyway, having a portal can't possibly hurt. --Arabani 17:44, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Oppose - Warcraft is more than a game. Check through the articles and you will find far more on the fluff of it than the games themselves. It is easily large enough to warrent a Portal. -Falcorian 19:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Timeline of Warcraft

I've created an article called Timeline of Warcraft, would be interesting seeing how big we could get it. With all the major characters, races, happening in the Warcraft lore. Havok (T/C) 10:13, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do to add to it ... it'd also mean that I'd have to brush up on my Warcraft lore, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Anyway, I assume year 0 is the present day, as in the time of World of Warcraft? --Arabani 00:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Well as a Loremaster I will try to expand this article as well as possible and to clarify the dates used, sometimes an Azerothian calendar is used with the point of the birth of the universe used at 0, sometimes the human calendar is used with the founding of arathor at year 0 with the universe's birth at -..., and sometimes you use the second war as the basis of the calendar at 0. I shall try to clear things up in the article more. Derktar 02:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC).

Warcraft Spyware

Hello. I'm not interested in Warcraft, but I found this and thought of you: BBC story. --bodnotbod 13:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Its not completely true, so disregaurd it.You will enjoy this game. Brak710101 15:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Colors

I was wondering if we should adjust the colors to make them more warcraft like (but hopefully not too far from the wikipedia standard. Boy is that contraditory.)? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

That would be an excellent thing to do. I strongly agree with you - the color scheme needs to be changed. Only reason why I haven't done it myself is because I suck at picking colors. :D --Arabani 05:44, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

edit

Warcraft portal colors

Ok, extperement with the colors in Portal:Warcraft/box-header2 ([edit]). ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

That looks damn good. Derktar 18:51, 25 November 2005 (UTC).

Me likes. --Arabani 20:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

0.o? Man, I just threw that together… Thanks! Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok then, if no one objects/thinks of something better, I'll make the changes tomorrow. me sleepy now. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 13:16, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Is there a way to add images to the background, or is that locked out? Havok (T/C) 15:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Can't. I've tried. If someone could, that would be great. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me but I find the white text on gray background rather difficult to read. Can we maybe just change it to black text? Jacoplane 18:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah maybe change the font when you can, it kinda is unreadable, besides that though it looks good. I would do it myself but I am terrible with font stuff, etc. Derktar 04:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC).

Already changed the text color. Now you can actually read it! --Eeee 21:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Here is the black test. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I think it'd be great if we could start adding the pronunciations to the Warcraft pages. I've always wondered how to pronounce all of city names and creatures. And me an my friends always come up with completely opposite ways of saying them. What do you guys think about this? --MightyGiant 07:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

That might be a good idea, sometimes the areas are a bit hard to understand, but to two people they may pronounce it differently. I'll try to find an authoritative source on the matter. Derktar 04:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC).

I'm pretty sure the capital cities are named in their respective races' intro cinematics. Most of the names are pretty obvious, I think. Only one I can think of that's confusing is Scholomance (SKO-lo-mance). I'll start adding pronunciations. --Arabani 05:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Warcraft Universe

I think Warcraft Universe should have a History section what do you think? - UnlimitedAccess 09:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Warcraft III custom maps

I've stumbled across Defense of the Ancients and Defense of the Ancients: Allstars due to a vandal on the CPL page. As I looked at those, I was astounded that so much unencyclopedic content existed. I mean, they contain all the parameters and switches, gameplay advice and detailed information about versioning. Then I noticed that there ared 20 other articles on custom WCIII maps, not to mention 3 articles on the first three chapters in one of the WCIII campaigns. Since there is a stunning level of detail and an exhaustive quantity of infromation, perhaps it could be transwiki-ed to someplace that is a WCIII wiki instead of an encyclopedia.

I don't feel it would be a very useful exercise for me to suggest deleting these articles, as it would only create acrimony with the dozens of contributors, but I can't see how they are encyclopedic. --Habap 15:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Corrupted Blood

This article has been added to the AfD, please go to Articles for deletion/Corrupted Blood and give your vote on the subject. Thank you. Havok (T/C/c) 22:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images

I removed the icons on the top of the page and the selected picture, as they were violations of Wikipedia's fair use policy. Please remember that fair use images can only be used in the article main spaces (the main page though is an exception)--☆TBC☆ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 12:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Then what is the point of that section on the portal page? If we are not allowed to show "fair use" images. Also, you could have exchanged the image with something else. Havok (T/C/c) 13:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a guideline, not a policy. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The line that states that "Fair use images should be used only in the article namespace" is under the section on WP:FAIR labeled as a policy, not under the section considered as a guideline--☆TBC☆ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 21:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The do us a kindness and explain how we are to operate this portal. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

That very same policy also states "Exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis if there is a broad consensus that doing so is necessary to the goal of creating a free encyclopedia (like the templates used as part of the Main Page)." The reason we have a featured pictured in the portal space is to broaden the aspect of the topic at hand. To get people interested in what the Warcraft universe has to offer. So I would say that most (if not all) editors working on this portal would want to be able to feature any picture in the Warcraft article space. Havok (T/C/c) 06:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

A broad consensus means the overall consensus of the Wikipedian community, not just editors working on the Warcraft portal. Also, if you really wanted to, I suggest you make a proposal for the use of fair use images on portal-related pages and see how much the community favors or disagrees with it (perhaps with a straw poll).--TBCTaLk?!? 00:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I love how most of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines are written in a way that lets the edtiors themselves decide how they want to interpret them. I'm actually trying to get people to talk about the whole fair use policy seeing as it has been missused by both people who add images under it and people who remove images because of it. Havok (T/C/c) 05:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Additions to the Wacraft related information bar

When I say "Warcraft related information bar" I mean the template you get when you use {{Wacraft}}. This template needs added text for sections such as "Games" and "Books." The titles for "Races" and "Locations" are present but the others are not.--Notmyhandle 22:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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