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Contents 1 The Exceptional Newcomer Award 2 cuisines 3 Thanks for your support to Hong Kong! 4 Did You Know... (Chingay Parade) 5 new vfd 6 List of countries by infant mortality rate 7 DYK 8 Hurricane Katrina 9 Speak Mandarin Campaign 10 Maps of Singapore 11 My comments on AfD 12 "Hong Kong, China" in the Basic Law 13 Votes for Deletions - Ensuring your vote is counted 14 DYK 15 Re: Hong Kong as a country? 16 Image:LimChinSiongComet.jpg has been listed for deletion 17 Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg 18 contribution to Lord's Resistance Army 19 Transclusion 20 2005 South Asia earthquake 21 sorry to bug you.... 22 Current events in Africa 23 My RfA 24 Titoxd's RfA 25 AFD on Clarecraft 26 Nanking Massacre 27 Military history of Sudan 28 Maria Hertogh riots 29 Chewing gum ban and provision for personal use 30 Vertebral column 31 Annabel Chong on the RGSS article 32 Interview with LifeStyle 33 Thank you! 34 Re: Image:Azahari Husin and Noordin Mohammed Top.jpg 35 Cnwb's RfA 36 Early RFA thanks 37 Accidental change 38 Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg has been listed for deletion 39 Maps? 40 Supreme court 41 Welcome to Esperanza! 42 RE: Template 43 Thank you for voting! 44 RE:Wiki-birthday 45 Found Autobiographies 46 Happy Chinese New Year 47 Image:Azahari Husin and Noordin Mohammed Top.jpg listed for deletion 48 Image:Azahari Husin.jpg listed for deletion 49 Image:Noordin Mohammed Top.jpg listed for deletion 50 Your Message 51 An Esperanzial note 52 Image:ThianHockKeng.jpg listed for deletion 53 Ill... 54 Barnstar 55 NKF 56 Re : National Kidney Foundation Singapore scandal 57 DYK 58 Another Esperanzial note... 59 Departure 60 Chat 61 Hoax work 62 Reply 63 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore public gay parties 64 2006 GE Map 65 FYI WP:Censorship 66 Archive Talk 67 Censorship 68 Image Tagging for Image:Cvdnair.jpg 69 My RFA withdrawal :( 70 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1 71 Image source 72 thanks 73 Image:Yaacob Ibrahim.jpg listed for deletion 74 Wikipedia:Wikiethics 75 Esperanza Newsletter #2 76 Your user page 77 Old Skool Esperanzial note 78 Could you sign in? 79 Consider licensing under CC-BY 80 Image Tagging Image:PAP campaign on bicycles at Siglap.jpg 81 Proposal 82 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3 83 Award from Tdxiang! 84 Chat Day 85 Cheng San GRC 86 COTF: Co-curricular activity 87 :) 88 Wikipedia:Deletion_review#User:Raphael1/Wikiethics 89 Nomination! 90 Thank you

[edit] The Exceptional Newcomer Award

For the excellent work you have produced for Singapore-related articles since your splashing entry into wikipedia, I hereby bestow the Exceptional Newcomer Award upon you! We look forward to many more of your extraordinary edits! :D - Huaiwei 12:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wah! That's a really kewl stuff...I wish I could receive a barnstar award one day...*envy* ;) Anyway, keep it up, Vsion! You sound friendly as I first met you in the page about Singaporean cuisine. :-D --Jerry Crimson Mann 20:58, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] cuisines

I'm moving them because I noticed that apparently the majority of usage is /adjective/ cuisine instead of cuisine of /noun/ (evidenced by whatlinkshere outputs for the pages), but they had been mass-moved by another user previously (User:Dmcdevit), and a lot of the redirects were left not updated. In general there was a lot of inconsistency and disorder (cf. also Talk:Cuisine) so this really looked an area that needed a helping hand. --Joy [shallot] 21:04, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer - I went there and answered that. Hopefully we'll be able to come to an agreement about this. --Joy [shallot] 21:20, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support to Hong Kong!

\(^3^)/ -- Jerry Crimson Mann 6 July 2005 13:40 (UTC)

hey hi!!!Sghan 12:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Did You Know... (Chingay Parade)

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[edit] new vfd

The prior VFD that you voted at ended with no consensus, a new VFD has been opened at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Historical persecution by Muslims. ~~~~ 18:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of countries by infant mortality rate

Is that per 1000 live births? Also the numbers don't seem to match up with the numbers on Infant mortality. EG Sierra Leone has 284 (IM) or 162 (LOCBIMR). Of course I could be reading one of the articles wrong. CambridgeBayWeather 06:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Either way it's a horrible high number. CambridgeBayWeather 07:21, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Hurricane Katrina

Good work rewording, splitting, and keeping the article up to date. Your edits are most appreciated, and they're a major reason behind this article's high quality. --Titoxd 06:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

confirmed deaths at 100 in Harrison County Harrison County emergency officials confirmed that 100 people had died, at least 30 in the collapse of a Biloxi apartment house during the height of the storm. --hitssquad 07:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Speak Mandarin Campaign

Hi. Thanks for your work on this article. In future, please don't remove copyright violation notices from articles, even to develop new content. If you do this the copyright material is still present in the page's history and requires extra effort from administrators to sort out. If you want to develop a new version of an article that violates copyright it can be done at a temporary subpage (use the link from the copyright violation notice) and an administrator will move it to the main article when the copyright violation has been dealt with. Thanks! --Ngb ^?!? 08:32, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maps of Singapore

I find the maps you created absolutely accurate, and maybe I will really wish to see more of them coming! Maybe some maps on the structure of the neighbourhood estates will be breathtaking. And of course applause for your work on the MRT maps, giving the MRT Stations article a little substainability for the due time. Slivester 04:12, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, certainly pleasing to hear that you will make those town maps! Singapore have an absolutely unique method of partitioning her housing district, and it will be great to have the plan laid out here. If possible, perhaps you can also work on the layout of buses in berths, in bus interchanges. Should you need resources, feel free to contact me. And about the estate infobox, I have taken your advice to include the land area and population. Lets just hope we can retrieve those informations; for now, its just To be filled in. Slivester 13:52, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Talking about maps, have you came to know of google earth? It might be a wonderful tool in our map-drawing endeavours! ;)--Huaiwei 12:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I saw what you show at AfD, it is pretty cool! Yes, I have it also, and just found out that the Tuas area in my locator maps are wrong. Nobody will notice that, right? Or can I claim my maps are more updated? haha.. , but the resolution is amazing. Unfortunately for Sengkang, a small strip of lower resolution lies just on top of it and there are lots of clouds. For woodlands, it is almost prefect, with just two tiny patches of clouds. It will be useful, definitely --Vsion 13:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Haha..thank God I came across Google Earth just when I was desperate to illustrate them! :D Too bad some parts are still not updated thou, especially the Sengkang area you mentioned and the entire region to the West. Also, clouds cover some of our more important points, such as Raffles Place. Too bad I cant show Tampines Interchange too..haha. As for Tuas...do not worry. The satelite image is actually quite outdated...by about 2 years or more? Changi Naval Base is shown to be under construction even thou its completed long ago, for example.--Huaiwei 13:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

What software to you use to draw the map? -- Littlearea 10:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal non-commercial software. Also used powerpoint to do labelling. --Vsion 00:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My comments on AfD

The reason why I make those comments is because every time a Singapore article comes up for AfD, somebody has to make the comment that the only reason somebody nominated the article is because of anti-Singapore bias, and then all of a sudden, a whole bunch of "keep" votes show up that wouldn't be keeps if the article were about any other place in the world. The Singapore voters seem to think that their country is special, and that the rules of notability which apply to evey other bus terminal, street, church, etc., in the world don't apply to Singapore. Zoe 07:15, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Hong Kong, China" in the Basic Law

Perhaps you'd be interested to take a look at how the use of "Hong Kong, China" is prescribed in the Basic Law: Article 116, Article 149, Article 151. :-D — Instantnood 12:33, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Please see reply at Talk:Singapore International School --Vsion 12:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Votes for Deletions - Ensuring your vote is counted

Hi, I thought I would just mention to you, that if a reason isn't given when you vote *some* administrators will not count your vote. I noticed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nautilus Middle School, you didn't give a reason for your vote. I have nothing to do with the making or enforcement of this rule, but thought I would tell you, so that you can ensure you're vote is counted. Note: The reason given can be versy short, like "per above" or "what so-and-so said". It doesn't have to be long, and sometimes people give only a couple-letter abbreviations, which is fine. But, it should be something. --rob 16:44, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Re: Hong Kong as a country?

Correct and wrong, depends on whether you're reading country as a synonym of sovereign state or not. In strict sense the two are differentiated, although sometimes they're used as synonym. Basically countries include both sovereign states and non-sovereign territories. Meanwhile, could you please elaborate a bit on what is " non-conventional naming practice " and " frustrating " [1]? Thanks. — Instantnood 10:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

As for entity, perhaps you may be interested to take a look at Wikipedia:categories for deletion/Log/2005 September 8#Category:Political entities. :-) — Instantnood 10:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Vision, if you have not noticed, he said the following in my talkpage:

"There's no dichotomy. But if you do really want a yes-no answer, then I'll have to say yes, as in the strict sense country and sovereign state are not synonym."

In other words, he says Hong Kong is a country, and at the same time defines a "country" as inclusive of SARs. Dosent need a genious to figure out whats going on, does it? :D--Huaiwei 10:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm still in shock by his statement. I sincerely hope he is not breaking any subversive law. --Vsion 11:06, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem as long as I fully acknowledge the sovereignty of the PRC over Hong Kong, and is not claiming or advocating Hong Kong as a sovereign state. :-P — Instantnood 11:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. Good luck in telling the Chinese authorities that a country is not equal to a sovereign state, even if that is technically disputable. Afterall, they will prob be asking him the questions in Chinese. I can picture him being hauled away to the firing squard yelling 不!!! 国家并非是独立的!!!.--Huaiwei 11:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:LimChinSiongComet.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file you uploaded, Image:LimChinSiongComet.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

JYolkowski // talk 17:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg

You say that your image was made by you (Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg). If it is, are you going to give it a license? You may want to release it into the public domain by using {{pd}}. -- Thorpe ^talk 12:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Done, I forgot to do it when I upload a new version. BTW, I should have put it to the Commons, how can I do it? Can someone help? --Vsion 12:26, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] contribution to Lord's Resistance Army

Hi Vsion, Thanks for your recent edits to LRA and AFDL. I'm afraid I had to remove the LRA attack you added as it didn't seem particularly notable. LRA attacks of that scale occur pretty regularly, and even the local Ugandan papers usually put them on the inside pages. Given the sweep of the article (almost 20 years at this point) it doesn't make sense to include it. Cheers, BanyanTree 14:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Transclusion

Here's some boiler plate:

Keep up the good work, though! - brenneman^(t)(c) 11:22, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 2005 South Asia earthquake

Thank you for your contribution at 2005 South Asia earthquake. Please keep it up!!!Pradeepsomani (talk)

[edit] sorry to bug you....

But the locator map for Bukit Merah looks inaccurate. According to [2], the Bukit Merah planning area extends all the way to the sea, but according to the locator map, it looks like it covers the Tanglin area. I'm kind of confused. -- Natalinasmpf 08:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

The map is either intended for a general area or a new town as listed in Template:Singaporehdb. But it is certainly not a planning area. For planning area, I usually indicate it in the image filename as in "Image:Ang Mo Kio Planning Area locator map.png". I will get the Bukit Merah planning area map (using your reference, thanks) and some other maps ready in a few days. Keep bugging me with these problems, I love messages! :D --Vsion 11:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Current events in Africa

Hey Vsion,

Just got back from the woods and saw your post over at Countering Systemic Bias. Don't know how often I'll be able to help out, but it's a great project; I've often been frustrated with the lack of Third World coverage (especially of Africa) in the Wikinews box on the main page. Keep up the good work! --Dvyost 13:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi Vsion. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. I hope I'm able to live up to the confidence placed in me. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Titoxd's RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Titoxd^(?!?) 18:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFD on Clarecraft

I noticed you voted Delete in the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Clarecraft for the very valid reason that it was simply a copy-paste from the company's website. I was not the original creator of the entry, but I've rewritten it, and I would appreciate if you'd take a look at the new article for Clarecraft and consider changing your vote. Thanks! Polotet 02:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nanking Massacre

You may want to vote at the Nanking Massacre talk page for/against the inclusion of the explicit photo. Just to let you know, Mandel 04:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Military history of Sudan

Since the Collaboration of the Week folks are known for preferring Military Histories of countries, I nominated Military history of Sudan. It has been six days since then, and I have only received one more vote. Unless I get one more vote supporting this nomination, it will be closed tomorrow. Please add your support at WP:COTW/Military history of Sudan. Also see WP:COTW/Languages of Sudan. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-7 14:56

[edit] Maria Hertogh riots

Hi, You have done some great work on the Maria Hertogh riots. Two of the images you have used in the article were listed by a user at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2005 October 21. But I believe you can use the images by inserting the {{fairusein}} tag and expanding the rationale you have already provided. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more details. Also, you can try making a request for the images from the website you took the pictures from. See Wikipedia:Boilerplate request for permission. Thanks again. --Pamri ^{• Talk • Reply} 05:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chewing gum ban and provision for personal use

Hi,

Great job on Chewing gum ban in Singapore.

In the edit dated 15:08, 7 May 2005, you written

There is a common misconception that chewing chewing gum is illegal in Singapore. Tourists, strolling along the popular Orchard Road, are seen chewing their Spearmint openly without any fear of penalty. The ban only restricts the import and sales of chewing gum, not on consumption. In fact, foreign visitors and returning residents are legally allowed to bring small amount of chewing gum into the country for their personal consumption. This same however does not apply to Narcotic.

I have since found the second half to be factually incorrect; there are no provisions made to import chewing gum for personal use. The chewing gum ban is absolute. I have since edited the article to reflect this details can be found in the article's talk page.—Goh wz 11:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Your edit is great and the email is clear about this. I was wrong previously, thanks. --Vsion 11:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vertebral column

Hi Vsion! Could you please talk to me at your Commons user page about Image:Spinal column curvature.png? --Metju12 07:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Annabel Chong on the RGSS article

To make clear my stand on the article - I am neither a fan of Annabel Chong nor am I interested in attacking RGS. My reason for believing that she should be included under the Notable Alumni section is the same as why I believe Stefanie Sun, Kit Chan and Corrinne May should be included - because people might be interested in knowing that these notable figures once attended the school. I don't believe including Annable Chong is bad taste - I'm not sure whether you know just how notable she is in the mainstream, but in my opinion she's notable enough, worldwide, for her to be included on the list. As can be seen on the talk page, at least three other editors agree with me. I think the guy from England who came in via WP:3O proves something. He's heard of Annabel Chong, and he doesn't sound much like a porn fan either. She's mainstream enough that many people worldwide knows who she is. And I thought that was reason enough to include her on the list. -ryan-d 06:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Interview with LifeStyle

Hi Vsion, I'm Mun San from The Straits Times Life! and we're planning a story on Singapore Wikipedians for this Sunday's LifeStyle. I'd like to talk to you. Do you think you can drop me a line at munsan@sph.com.sg or give me a call at 63195368? Thanks!

[edit] Thank you!

[edit] Re: Image:Azahari Husin and Noordin Mohammed Top.jpg

I have no idea who the copyright holder is - and if you don't you shouldn't be using the image - where is the evidence that it is aPD image -I haven't seen any! :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 10:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I know it is public domain, because Indonesian and Malaysian governments use it. These are mugshots of wanted terrorists, although one is dead already. You can try image-google it [3], [4], the pictures are found in many places, yet none claim or indicate copyright whatsoever. It is like the photo of Osama bin Laden, Image:FBI Bin Laden.png, clearly public domain even though we don't know the source or who took the picture. --Vsion 11:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cnwb's RfA

[edit] Early RFA thanks

[edit] Accidental change

Hi Vsion,

I've accidentally changed your personal map page when clearing the disambiguation of URA and I feel sorry about that.

HenryLi 05:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

No lah, I should thank you for it. :D --Vsion 10:05, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg has been listed for deletion

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Thuresson 18:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maps?

Hi Vsion, would you mind creating a map for all the LRT stations and for places in Singapore. If you haven't notice the COTW page, you may like to take a look here. A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Sorry if I was too hostile the other time when you asked me a question about Andrew Kuan. :( --Terence Ong ^Talk 15:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Supreme court

I'm afraid you've misinterpret the Basic Law [5]. It's not presribed in the Basic Law that Hong Kong should be presented as "Hong Kong, China" whenever within international contexts. It's, neither, mentioned anywhere in the Basic Law that the legal jurisdiction have to be known as "Hong Kong, China" and never "Hong Kong". — Instantnood 19:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Why don't I make it easier for you: It also never mentioned specifically that we have to use "Hong Kong, China" in wikipedia? --Vsion 19:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

In that way you're not argueing within the context of the Basic Law. Why is there anything wrong to use simply "Hong Kong" as the section title? Its status is more than sufficiently mentioned in in the first line of the section. — Instantnood 18:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Why should instantnood launch this discussion in your talk page just because you made an edit considered offensive in instantnood's books? I would suggest that he be directed to the talk page of Supreme court itself for wider contributions, and to ignore him if he persists in cornering you.--Huaiwei 20:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

If Vsion's response weren't that personal [6], there's no reason not to continue the discussion here at talk:supreme court. — Instantnood 18:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

As no reason has been given against the use of "Hong Kong, China", there is nothing for me to response to. :D. (My earlier comment wasn't personal, it was sarcastic, sorry.) --Vsion 18:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. :-) As per the convention I observe from real-life situations, I'd prefer some certain consistence towards how these you know what that are not sovereign state should be presented. "Hong Kong, China" and "Macao, China" are nothing except official designations for purposes of international presence. They're not the conventional short names the two regions are known as. I've no objection with using them on the list of WTO members or list of IOC members, but it's preferable to use "Macao (People's Republic of China)" on general lists, on par with "Puerto Rico (United States)", "Greenland (Denmark)", "Gibraltar (UK)", and many others.

P.S. If you don't object, the discussion here shall better be continued at talk:supreme court. — Instantnood 19:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Esperanza!

➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 23:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Template

Hi Vsion, I like the templage. :D --Terence Ong 05:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for voting!

Hello there! I wanted to thank you for taking the time to vote on my arbitration commitee nomination. Although it was not successful, I appreciate the time you spent to read my statement and questions and for then voting, either positively or negativly. Again, thank you! Páll ^{(Die pienk olifant)} 22:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Wiki-birthday

Lots of thanks, Vsion. I had to resize the photo in order to be visible. =D --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 16:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Found Autobiographies

I think the correct process is to add them to Autobiography Category by adding the following (to talk page I am presuming)

[[Category:Wikipedian autobiography|Lastname, First]] 

Trödel•talk 16:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you did that in the two articles already, thanks! This will come in handy in the future. --Vsion 23:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Chinese New Year

Hi Vsion, Happy Chinese New Year. 恭喜发财，万事如意。身体健康，年年有余。Wish you a prosperous and happy new year. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 17:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Azahari Husin and Noordin Mohammed Top.jpg listed for deletion

--Wgfinley 07:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Azahari Husin.jpg listed for deletion

US and some other government's images are PD, Malaysia is not on that list that I'm aware of. --Wgfinley 08:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, edit conflict. Can we discuss here? You have misunderstoond, it is fairuse. --Vsion 08:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, it is really stupid to discuss this. These images are everywhere in south east Asia. [7] --Vsion 08:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Noordin Mohammed Top.jpg listed for deletion

Again, Malaysia is not a PD for governmental images/documents that I'm aware. --Wgfinley 08:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Message

Oh please stop it. Whose copyright interests are you protecting? --Vsion 08:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Think I enjoy going through all these copyvios? Hell no. They are what they are though, wish we could use them but I believe they're violations. Don't like the fact Malaysian government docs aren't PD? Take it up with the Malaysian government. It is what it is. And the answer would be I'm trying to protect the project from exposure to lawsuits or other actions from copyright violations. --Wgfinley 08:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Comm'on, the Indonesian and Malaysian governments will thank you profusely if you help to distribute these images for them. --Vsion 08:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: {{EA-welcome}} (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Celestianpower ^háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:ThianHockKeng.jpg listed for deletion

dbenbenn | talk 23:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Also Image:ThianHockKengDragon.jpg. dbenbenn | talk 23:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ill...

Hi,Vsion.Sorry,I'm ill but I'll try to narrate with a sore throat...see you on MSN or IRC soon... Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! My Rfa

[edit] Barnstar

For your great contributions to Singapore-related topics, and the Current events page, I award you the Original Barnstar. Good job! Oh yes, your base maps. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 10:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NKF

I have removed excess information from the NKF article as I thought that the article on NKF Scandal. So please help me, follow up on NKF's article if you can...

Ruennsheng

Thanks, appreciate your effort. Yup, I will look at the article later to see what I can do. :D --Vsion (talk) 09:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re : National Kidney Foundation Singapore scandal

Hi Vsion,

My plan is to make it a Featured Article eventually! =D That is why I want to actually rewrite it when I have the time. I remember for the old article, I threw in 5 sentences separately on Google, and they all match exactly with at least one news source. I hope you do understand my rationale on this. :)

- Mailer Diablo 12:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

[edit] Departure

I have left the Wiki...unable to narrate anymore...I'm sorry... Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! My Rfa09:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chat

Hello Vsion, are you busy at the moment? Could you drop by at MSN for a chat. :D --Terence Ong 08:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, don't mind having a chat again? If you are free. --Terence Ong 09:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hope I'm not trolling, are you busy currently. If not is alright. --Terence Ong 10:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoax work

Thanks for your kind words and thots. I'm surprised how fast this is now moving; too fast for my taste, as i say on the two AfDs! But back to work.
--Jerzy•t 06:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

We have been notified by a member of the Wikipedia Community, through our Department of Media Relations that an article concerning our group Chairman & CEO has been put up, and would like to confirm that the information presented on both http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Oliveiro and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O&S_Group are factually inaccurate and misleading. Photos used were taken off our Corporate website, which is presently undergoing maintenance works, and permission to use these copyrighted photos have neither been granted nor endorsed by us.

We have written to Wikipedia to remove these sites and photos immediately.

We would like to thank the party who has contacted us.

Department of Media Relations The Office of Eli Oliveiro Media@o-eo.com Tel: +65 6383 4204 ext 5

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.21.154.114 (talk • contribs).

Process for article deletion takes 5 days, I've helped by nominating one of the articles to begin the deletion process. The other article was already nominated by someone else. There is nothing much I can do now. --Vsion 06:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Thanks for your notification. I find it somewhat ambigous, for it seems that Yeap is the wife of both men (??). All I can tell you is that I obtained these facts from the book "Who's Who in Singapore", published by "Who's Who publications". Copies of these books are found in the reference section of the library (I read the book ibn the Woodlands Regional Library). I will find time ti check it out at the library to ractify these errors, but until then, there is little that I could do. Mr Tan 15:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore public gay parties

Regarding your participation in the aforementioned AfD (which resulted in no consensus) I would appreciate your opinions in the following AfD discussions. Thank you for your time. -- Krash (Talk) 15:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore public gay parties (second nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay literature
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay art
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay theatre
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay films

[edit] 2006 GE Map

There are something wrong with your map, look at these map in http://www.elections.gov.sg/maps_electoral.htm, and compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Singapore_electoral_boundaries_2006.png.Littlearea 14:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you kindly be more specific, please tell me where to look, which SMC or GRC, etc. Give some examples where it is wrong. Are you refering to the electoral boundaries or the shape of Singapore? Many thanks. --Vsion 14:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I spot one: the Marine Parade GRC is wrong. Any more error? --Vsion 14:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Aljunied GRC, East Coast GRC and Nee Soon SMC.Littlearea 14:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Arghh..... the Channel NewsAsia website screwed up! http://www.channelnewsasia.com/boundaries/ . I thought they are official propaganda media, how can they got it wrong!. Many Thanks for pointing it out, very grateful. A new map will be produced soon (about an hour), please help to check again. --Vsion 14:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Done! I hope the Elections Department got it right. Please help to double check, thanks again. --Vsion 15:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it rights. Littlearea 12:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, CNA has also changed their map, but not before I sent them an email. lol --Vsion 20:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI WP:Censorship

You might be interested in this: "42 Please Follow Along"

Haizum 18:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi,saw you online. Are you free to chat on IRC or MSN? Log on to wikipedia-singapore. I also need to set your mode.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 11:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Hi, thanks for your contribution to the discussion. You may also want to see Wikipedia_talk:Censorship#Poll. This is a poll about a policy/guideline which, if passed, would make it against policy for editors to ever use inline images. Currently, most people are opposed to this new policy/guideline. Johntex\^talk 00:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Ah yes, sorry I didn't see your vote before. Thanks again for weighing in. There is currently a similar question about the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy and whether those images should be inlined to allow Muslims to read the article without being offended. However, there is virulent opposition there to consider inlining at this time. Some people are objecting to considering this topic at this time, since apparently the option was rejected already just after the creation of the article.
  

We need to strike some middle-groung balance between never revisiting a decision once made, and revisiting it every day.

There is also a similar question at Autofellatio, though it is not really being actively discussed at the moment.

Those 4 pages, (the cartoon article, the Lolicon article, the Autofellatio article, and the policy/guideline debate) are the only four places I know of at the moment.

Of course, everyone will have a slightly different opinion of where to draw the line. Some may want to inline pictures at sexual intercourse or penis, but I think those articles are currently striking a good balance at the moment without the need for inlining. That is just my opinion.

I think Lolicon, with its legal implications, and the cartoon article, with its freedeom of religon ramifications, are the best two articles for inlining. As I said, opinion is overwhelmingly against inlining at the cartoon article, so I wouldn't suggest you waste your time right there.

The main thing for me is to see that no one takes away this potentially useful tool by fiat of central policy. If no page ever develops consensus to use inlining, that is one thing, but to try to centrally prohibit it from ever being used, as WP:Censorship aims to do, is very bad policy.

If you could pop by Lolicon and the proposed guideline page from time-to-time, that would be great. Johntex\^talk 00:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archive Talk

Hi Vsion, I suggest you archive your talk page, as its getting very long. Umm...are you free to chat with me on MSN? P.S. I'm very bored now. --Terence Ong 09:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

I am trying to make some improvements in the project Censorship. I thought you might want to know about it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 16:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your useful comments, they were beneficial. I am trying to write a new policy Wikipedia:Wikiethics. I am very busy but believe strongly on having some standards in Wiki. I would appreciate if you can review it and incoorporate new ideas you might want to add. Your contribution is greatly appreciated. I cannot finish it without help. Best. Resid Gulerdem 00:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the Ethics policy needs your imput. Are you around? Resid Gulerdem 03:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Vsion, I am blocked by an admin without prior notification (see my page). I was not reverting, anything. It might be a good friend of MB. ANyways, MB doesn't want people make suggession. MB would like to kill the project. I was wondering if you could help me to put the poll earlier version so that, we can get what people think as we discussed before? Resid Gulerdem 04:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It looks your help is needed again to make this Ethics policy go further. Resid Gulerdem 04:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging for Image:Cvdnair.jpg

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Hi Vsion, saw you editing. Would you mind signing in for a while? --Terence Ong 02:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA withdrawal :(

Hello Vsion, it is my apologies to bring you that I've withdrawn my RFA. Due to the lack of experience, I would go under admin coaching first before trying again later. I would thank you for your vote in this RFA whether you voted support, oppose or neutral for me. I appreciate your comments (if you do have) you made and I hope to see you here in future. --Terence Ong 05:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of their stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image source

Wikibreak, right. I have posted on your talk on Commons, hope you will see it in a foreseeable future. // Habj 23:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

Thanks for making your photo of the electric eel available! I've used it in my online textbook Electricity and Magnetism, in the table of contents. You are of course properly credited in the photo credits in the back of the book, and the licensing information is given. The book is dual-licensed under GFDL and CC-BY-SA.--Ben Crowell

[edit] Image:Yaacob Ibrahim.jpg listed for deletion

Esprit15d 20:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiethics

Hi Vsion, the discussion on the Wikipedia:Wikiethics page is continuing at the personal confict level. If you believe the important of the proposal I would apprecaite for your contributions and appearance on the discussion page. Please note that this proposal cannot be completed or become successful without your contributions. Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 03:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter #2

Barnstar Brigade The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of their stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Information Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!

The last AC meeting (full log) The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly. A plea from the editor... The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your user page

I've made some reverts to your user page, e.g. [8], that I believed to be vandalism. If that is not the case, please feel free to revert me. Cheers. enochlau (talk) 11:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you sign in?

Hello, once again if you are free, could you sign in to MSN? Thanks. --Terence Ong 09:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consider licensing under CC-BY

Would you consider licensing your contributaions to this table - Singapore_general_election,_2006#Political_parties under CC-BY. You would still be atributed. This is just because wikinews doesn't accept GFDL content (want to use in Wikinews:Polls open for the 2006 Parliamentary Elections, Singapore). I've already placed it their as its time critical, and I'm unsure if copyright applies to tabular data, but will remove it if you request. Bawolff 02:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC) please respond at n:user talk:bawolff or on talk:Polls open for the 2006 Parliamentary Elections, Singapore

[edit] Image Tagging Image:PAP campaign on bicycles at Siglap.jpg

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[edit] Proposal

Hi Vsion, I hope you are doing fine... We are about to finalize the revision of Wikiethics proposal. I was wondering if you have some time to review the last form of it. Any comments are appreciated. Best, Resid Gulerdem 01:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award from Tdxiang!

Good job! You did great in map-making and expanding the 15 Singapore general election, 2006! Thank you and there is also a barnstar for you, a tribute to your excellent map-making!--陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 08:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much. It is many people's effort. :D --Vsion 02:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chat Day

Hello, we have decided to notice all of you at the eleventh hour. Today its Chat Day and its where SGpedians' go to and have a casual off-topic chat. It is held at our very own Singapore IRC Channel from 2000 (SST) to late. Do come to the channel if you have the time and it is greatly appreciated that you turn up at the channel. --Terence Ong 11:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheng San GRC

I had edit the Cheng San GRC article, please feel free to look at it. -- Littlearea 10:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] COTF: Co-curricular activity

Thank you for voting Co-curricular activity, it has been selected for Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. If you know of another important article lacking in detail, do nominate it for the next SGCOTF. Thanks again.

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[edit] :)

Hello once again, would you mind coming to IM for a while to chat. This is provided you're free. Thanks. --Terence Ong 03:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

If you are free, do come to MSN and chat. I need to tell you something. --Terence Ong 04:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Deletion_review#User:Raphael1/Wikiethics

Since you previously showed interest in the former proposed policy Wikiethics, I'd like to inform you about this deletion review. Raphael1 15:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination!

I hope you wll accept it. Thank you!--陈鼎翔 贡献 和 CCD Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 10:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your nomination and kind statement, but I can't accept the nomination for various reasons; besides, I don't like the three questions. --Vsion 13:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

He who is obsessed with power loses it.

• Not liking the standard three questions? Heh ;) Who likes it anyway? Still you must say that you decline the nomination at the RFA page. --Terence Ong _{(talk | contribs)} 13:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  Erh... "must"? If I don't do it, will I be stopped at the airport and handcuffed??? --Vsion 21:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you