Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Newton North High School

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From the team that brought you Dartmouth College. Actually this is redeemed from noteworthlessness by being Joey's high school, but I thought I'd give people a chance to express their views. DJ Clayworth 19:59, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Comment DJ Clayworth could you please clarify whether you actually think this came out of the Dartmouth class assignment, and if so, why you think that? Or are you simply expressing a fear that some high school teacher might have made a class assignment that might result in a flood of articles about borderline-notable aspects of Newton? In any case, I think our remarks and decisions should directed at the content of articles, not at the supposed circumstances of their creation. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 12:37, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Look at the user who created it and their other contributions. anthony (see warning) 13:05, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh. And his username matches the surname of a member of the Dartmouth College Men's Reserve Team. The connection is a reasonable surmise. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 14:51, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• That still doesn't make the school noteworthy. Delete. --Elf-friend 20:13, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. anthony (see warning) 20:29, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: Did Wikipedia become a class assignment at Dartmouth? Has anyone been successful at contacting the author(s) of these articles to figure out why we are suddenly getting so many? And if so, has anyone asked them to please stop? Rossami
  • Never mind. Finally found it. Rossami
  • Not sure why we'd ask them to stop, because most of this is good stuff, but, where did you find it? anthony (see warning) 21:52, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • See User:Pcw's user page and the accompanying Talk page. He did, in fact, make Wikipedia a class assignment. Rossami
• At best, needs severe shortening; marginal keep if done satisfactorally. Dunc_Harris|☺ 22:00, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. I have no problem with individual high schools having articles. Kevyn 23:56, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Send to clean up for POVectomy. Best, top-notch, phenomenal, etc. not very good. As for why we'd ask them to stop, we'd ask them to read Wikipedia's policies against autobiography. As for whether most of them are good or not, we don't know. It seems like it, but it also means that our VfD page is getting loaded up by students who did not wish to contribute to Wikipedia but were required to contribute. The problem with drafting your soldiers is that they're not always very motivated to do it well. Geogre 00:19, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep and send to cleanup. The Newton, Massachusetts school system is generally supposed to be pretty good. Decades ago, when I went to a high school with a high opinion of itself, in another state, the only argument was supposed to be whether ours, Newton, or New Trier was the absolutely very best school of all in the whole entire world. The article needs a "POVectomy," all right, but I'm inclined to cut the article some slack because it does say something, it has some color to it, something to say why it's different from every other high school.. and because I'm amused by the "jail-like" architectural comments. I still think—User:Dpbsmith/schools that we should not include every high school, but I don't set the bar very high. Given the "jail" comments, it would be really nice to have a photo. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:58, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep it. Just because it's a school doesn't mean it goes by a higher Wiki standard, right? Wodan
• Delete stuff by Dartmouth people. Ambi 10:40, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't think that's appropriate. Comments and decisions should be based on article content, not the presumed contributors. And I don't think these are Dartmouth people; I think DJ Clayworth was making a clumsy joke, see comment at top. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 12:37, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's not appropriate, but it seems to sum up the sentiment of many. In any case, the user who created this seems to be from Dartmouth. anthony (see warning) 12:53, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

All I can say is, heaven help the next editor who tries to contribute anything about University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. The "piling on" is really getting unpleasant. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 14:51, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Heaven help the next editor who tries to contribute anything. This deletionism has become insane. anthony (see warning) 16:05, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Consensus appears to have been keeping high schools, and I've given up arguing with that. Pare down to essential facts (cut out anything that sniffs of POV), but otherwise consistency says it's a keep. Average Earthman 11:19, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I still love how a small majority is considered "consensus". anthony (see warning) 12:57, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • You're right Anthony: The is a small majority that said that high schools could be kept, but policy is not so. High schools can be deleted and should be deleted if, like any other entity, they are not notable, so we should be deleting a lot more of them. Geogre 18:19, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • High schools are notable by the fact that they are a high school. So yes, non-notable high schools shouldn't be kept, this is vacuously true. anthony (see warning) 20:19, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. But I suggest trimming it down to a useful stub that can grow to contain useful information. Hypothesis: 95% of what is on Newton North High School is not worth anyone spending their time reading -- even if they are from Newton North High School. I will take a shot at constructing a useful /DraftStub on the discussion page of Newton North High School--including suggesting an outline that might assist in the general problem of dealing with Wikipedia entries for all the other high schools. ---Rednblu 16:30, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Keep, we generally keep high school articles, unless that policy recently changed [[User:Siroxo|—siroχo

—siroχo]] 02:42, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, from what I've seen over the past six months is the best description of vfd voters policy towards high schools can best be described as "fickle". However, if there is a trend in either direction it seems to be getting more INclusionary--the first one or two high schools I saw listed here got deleted about as over-whelmingly as most 9/11 victims' articles. Niteowlneils 03:57, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable community institution. Davodd 12:40, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Just another plastic article like almost every article about a high school describing a high school that sounds like almost every other high school. Signal to noise ratio is two high. If it's not notable, that is distinctive in some way, drop it. Jallan 13:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. No evidence of notability. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:48, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)