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Ahahahaha, pregnancy fetishism. Is there something you're not telling us, Voretus? Moogy^(talk) 13:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Direct manipulation interface, what the heck hahaha Voretus^talk 15:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Video Games in Einherjar

I think that keeping the three separate titles of video games in the Einherjar article, without much better clarification, is rash and invites cruft. You said it yourself on your talk page:

Saying that Roger is named after Roger Taylor on Bridget is fine, but putting that in a "Trivia" section on the Roger Taylor page is lame.

Its the same concept, but with Einherjar. I realize that video games have different categories - I play a variety of games myself: FPS, RTS, Platformers, and MMORPGs. However, I don't know how to prevent a huge list of mentions from arising and still putting forth some individual games. I agree that "not all video games are the same and should be grouped together". However, as it is, the list is comprised 50% of video game references (most of which are not particularly "notable" video games [Doom, Half-Life, Final Fantasy, World of Warcraft, etc...games people outside of gaming would know something about, or at least know of its existence]). One has it as an nondescript "prominent role", another a "myth unit", and another as a class of "boss". What would prevent further additions with weapons named after einherjar, playable areas, races, teams, plotlines, characters, quests, spells, ships, gods, etc? The list could be almost infinite. For instance, the list used to contain a large amount of games that you removed. What differentiates most of those from the ones currently left on the list? Some of those entries were from games considerably more "notable" than the ones currently listed. I felt that combining video games into a single entry with a link to video game would prevent the addition of a lot more mentions, and still provide information on how the einherjar are factored into video gaming. Perhaps the entry should read more like this:

Einherjar have played a role in a variety of video games by acting as inspiration for storyline, plot, characters, and are used in naming conventions for items, areas, and vehicles.

I'd like to work with you on this, and try to better understand your reasoning for leaving all three as separate entries. Also, I would like to know what would qualify the removal of other games from the list in comparison to the one's currently left on. --Xiliquiern 15:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The list was a lot worse before, with many, many VG references. I trimmed them down to what I thought were the most notable examples (this was completely arbitrary, of course).

Say there were multiple notable bands called Einherjar. I would advocate having a separate sentence or two for each of them. Same with notable books.

Each game is completely separate. They may be the same media, but they are each different enough to warrant mentioning.

Regarding the sentence about Roger Taylor from my userpage, that mostly refers to extremely non-notable things in articles about very notable things. This is why I removed the reference in Einherjar to a single sword used by a video game character. If that single sword had a large article, maybe it would warrant inclusion. I have taken out the reference in Einherjar to the Age of Mythology unit since it is crufty and I didn't mean to leave it in in the first place. Einherjar play a very very large part in both Mega Man Zero 4 and Valkyrie Profile, which are both quite notable (in my opinion). Would it be better if their significance in each VP was explained?

My opinion would likely be different if Einherjar had more of a global scope or significance, or were more fleshed out. What do you think? Voretus^talk 15:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I can understand your point of view and definitely thank you for editing out the ones you did. With bands and books, if there are more than two, I usually group them together and make a prose section (there are usually not more than 3 to 4, though - Video games have an especially numerous and broad breadth of interest).

In this case, I think it would be worthy to make both the Mega Man and the VP entry into a single prose section (still covering both games as separate topics) and provide a little more detail on how they are used? Nothing too much, maybe a total of 6 sentences? This would certainly make their use more clear and archetypal. I'll try to do the same with the band and the other entry, so we may get away from the list setup and back to a prose based section. Sound reasonable? (I also think the article itself could use some work, too bad I don't know much about it! It seems like a good topic to link to other religions for a better "world view" within the article, like you mentioned.) -- Xiliquiern 16:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds great; I think the section would be much better that way. Go for it.

I'm pretty interested in Norse religion/mythology, so I might expand the article itself if I find extra time. Linking the concept to other religions is a good idea! Voretus^talk 16:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I just did a little edit on this (my prose is poor - not in a good mood for it). What do you think? (Einherjar) --xiliquiern^talk 19:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I separated the literature and band parts since they were stuck together in a way which didn't make much sense, but it's a lot better than the old bulleted list. I like it. Voretus^talk 19:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just wondering if you knew...

I noticed you deleted the Nowhere-Else and Beyond link in the MMORPG list, but do you know what happened to the Nowhere-Else and Beyond page? It seems to have disappeared and I don't know why. It's not in the deletion logs as far as I can tell, and I was wondering if you had any idea. That you for your help! Garth of NEaB 13:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere-Else_and_Beyond has a deletion in its logs. I had nothing to do with it though, I just deleted the link in the list of MMOs since it was red. Sorry! Voretus^talk 13:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I know why you deleted it, thank you for your help! I found the logs soon after I posted this, sorry to bother you. Garth of NEaB 14:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Wii

In regards to your most recent edit to the Wii article, the previous version was done to avoid the problem of "the Wii" versus "Wii". At least one user changed the start of the article to "The Wii is..." which could have started a lengthy discussion (or even another edit war). I'm trying to sidestep possible conflict. Just64helpin 19:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a comment in <!--- right at the top that says not to do so. That should be enough. Saying that it's the name of the console is, as stated in my most recent edit summary, usually bad form. Voretus^talk 19:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, many editors blindly go past that text. Just64helpin 19:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Then... why not revert them if they do? If it's inaccurate to call it "the Wii", then there should be no problem in reverting those edits. Also note that the article refers to "Wii" without the "the" later on a few times. Adding "the name of" doesn't address those instances.

The extra text in the beginning that you add seems extremely out of place. Voretus^talk 19:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems like your changes were done for personal/aesthetic reasons, rather than in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. Just64helpin 20:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Same for yo-- wait, did you even read my reasons? Doesn't seem like it. Here it is again on the offchance that things above this line can't be read on your computer screen.

"Saying that it's the name of the console is, as stated in my most recent edit summary, usually bad form."

In case my edit summary ( !!! ) has been lost in the internet somewhere, would we say "Silent Hill is the name of a video game series", or "Silent Hill is a video game series"? I hope you can see the problem. Voretus^talk 20:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I can understand your rationale, although Silent Hill is technically the name of a singular game (unlike, say, The Simpsons, which is the name of a series). Just64helpin 20:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kagetsu Tohya

Thanks for saving this from the mad romanization spree. I was too lazy to revert it myself. Moogy^(talk) 19:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem. Voretus^talk 20:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I moved it because "Tohya" is broken and makes no sense, despite its popularity. I admit I didn't adhere strictly to WP:MOS-JP, and that should be fixed. However, since there's no official licensed product named "Kagetsu Tohya", there's no reason to have that article, other than as a redirect to the proper name, which would be Kagetsu Tōya under WP:MOS-JP. mathrick 11:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts

I've undone your Reverts on Valkyrie Profile and Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth. While I can see the pros and cons of going with one name over the other for the main article for the game, I'd prefer it if we could come to an agreement on things before reversions are necessary.

Feel free to leave a response in the Valkyrie Profile talk page. Cheers, Lankybugger 21:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Looool

I came to make sure no admins-who-are-stalking-me came and yelled at you for editing my userpage and saw this lollery, looooool Miltopia 05:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Secret of Evermore

Hello,

Just wanted to give you a shout, as I rarely run into people that remember the game Secret of Evermore, much less have it as one of their favorites! Great choice Nuzz604 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's really sad that people seem to have forgotten it :( Voretus^talk 18:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I was gonna say so too when I first saw your userpage but I thought you'd think I was weird. I haven't actually played it, but it's on my todo list. Miltopia 21:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people don't like it because it's slower than most of the Mana series. It has a wonderful atmosphere, though, and the gameplay and difficulty are a lot more streamlined. Also I am never weirded out by small talk ever. Voretus^talk 01:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Message

Uhhh... Sorry, but he well did it first. Nol888 21:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No need to apologize; I'm personally fine with stuff like that but most people aren't and it's against the rules :) Voretus^talk 21:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i’m lovin’ it

OK, but “I’m loving it” seems decidedly slang-y… I’m pretty sure most native English-speakers—especially non-American ones (…?)—would just say “I love it.” I mean, when would you actually say “I’m lovin’ it” unless you were hangin' with Mr. Cooper or Poochie? And contractions are perfectly valid Standard English… So if the literal meaning is I am loving it, why not just leave the English slogan “untranslated?” —Wiki Wikardo 08:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd be perfectly fine with "I'm loving it." I just changed it because it said it literally meant "I love it" before, which has a different, albeit only slightly different, meaning. I have nothing against contractions. Voretus^talk 14:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, what’s the different meaning, or connotation? I know the progressive present tense is different than the present tense, but I maintain that in this case the former is an affected way of expressing the latter. —Wiki Wikardo 18:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danny Tanner

I believe that Danny Tanner vandalism has been cleaned up. Thanks for all your help.UP2HHH 01:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Einherjar

You’ve reverted my article Einherjar I’m very angry with you! …(I’m joking!). My articles are seriously sources with famous historians and archaeologist. My English isn’t very good I know, so can you find a solution to resume what I've exposed in the discussion page? Thanks for your help. Thorgis 09:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Voretus! If you come to Paris you are welcome on my Viking Ship (copy of Gostad boat)Thorgis 17:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem, and thank you. Voretus^talk 17:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)