Talk:Volkswagen Golf

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Contents 1 Golfsburg 2 Golf Mk.4 Cabriolet 3 Best selling? 4 Concept and basic layout 5 Golf IV in Czech Republic? 6 Mk 1 Golf 7 Mk 4 Golf 8 Mk 5 Golf 9 Heaviest and biggest? 10 Golf III editions 11 Golf Mk.6 12 Jetta? 13 Golf Class 14 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI 15 Links? 16 Rabbit Ad music (Canada) 17 Splitting the article by generations 18 Spam? 19 Mark 4 still in production 20 POV issue 21 Article problems 22 That French rap video

[edit] Golfsburg

exact week when Wolfsburg was named "Golfsburg" - I think it was in September 2003.

[edit] Golf Mk.4 Cabriolet

Was there a Mk.4 Cabriolet? I'm sure these cars count as Mk.4 cabrios:

• Mk.4 Cabrio 1
• Mk.4 Cabrio 2
• Mk.4 Cabrio 3
• Mk.4 Cabrio 4

According to 'Wolfgang The Talking VW' (highly reputable source!), VW reclassified the VW Cabrio as A4 based in 1998, making the 1998 - 2002 Cabrios 'Mk. 4's. This is different to what happened the Mk.1 Cabriolet, which was still termed the Mk.1/A1 platform while sold alongside the Mk.2 hatchback.

Anyone else have any opinions? [[User:Akadruid|akaDruid (Talk)]] 15:14, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It is my understanding that the Mk.4 was produced and sold as a cabriolet as your pictures suggest. However, I think that the car was based on the Mk.3 and that all the rear-end bodywork was Mk.3. SamH 10:16, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

My opinion is that this is merely a facelifted Golf III, and a VW dealer I know concurs. It remained on the old platform (wheelbase and track are identical AFAIK). Stombs 09:32, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the so-called Mk.4 Cabrio is in fact a facelifted Mk.3. ApolloBoy

That would be correct, Stombs and ApolloBoy. The "MkIV" convertible was based on the MkIII, but was dressed up as IV.Kar98 16:35, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling?

Taking into account cars that keep their concept and basic layout but not necessarily their name it's the best selling car of all time worldwide.

Surely this means

Excluding cars that keep their concept and basic layout but not their name...

There are now many cars of identical "concept and basic layout", so what distinguishes the Golf is the long use of the same name. Andy G 00:28, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's simply not true - the Toyota Corolla and Ford F-Series easily outsold the Golf in all its names and forms. See list of automotive superlatives. --SFoskett 14:29, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

I am no expert but am pretty sure the Corolla started life as a rear-wheel drive car and at some point switched to front-wheel drive. This would, I believe, qualify as a sigficant change of the car's layout, and render it an all-new car in all but name. If true, the Corolla then would indeed lose out to the Golf in terms of units sold. --Coreyjahns Mar 1, 2006 (UTC)

I have owned Mk 1-4 Rabbits/Golfs, and I have to say virtually every change ever made to these cars is a gradual improvement. I would have to say that yes, the Golf would have to be the best selling of the cars mentioned..

[edit] Concept and basic layout

Taking into account cars that keep their concept and basic layout but not necessarily their name it's the best selling car of all time worldwide

I think this is really confusing. The original statement was:

Worldwide it's the best selling car of all times, considering cars that keep their concept and basic layout and not only their name.

If you take the Corolla: more cars named Corolla were sold, but first generation Corolla has nothing to do with the current model - except the name. --EricS 00:55, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Interesting. How much is similar between the different Golf generations? I know that A5 has an independent suspension, so that's a substantial change. But what else is similar between A1-A4? If the wheelbase, suspension, driveline, etc are similar, then I think we have something of a winner (for cars, the F-150 still beats all for "vehicles"). The Corolla switched from RWD to FWD half way through, and the suspension was changed dramatically. The old Beetle is impressive because it was basically a single design for all those 21,000,000 cars sold. Even the engine was roughly the same! --SFoskett 15:18, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Golf IV in Czech Republic?

"The Golf IV was made in Germany, Brazil, Mexico, the Czech Republic and Belgium."

AFAIK the only cars made by VW in Czech Rep. are the Skoda brand. I never heard about any production of any Golf - maybe they buy few components. Unless someone knows better I'll remove CR from list at some time. Pavel Vozenilek 21:31, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Not in the Czech Republic, but in Bratislava (Slovakia) --EricS 01:34, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mk 1 Golf

I added a pic of the rear badge and the front grill of a mk1, should deffinatly split the article up as has been suggested by others before, then we can get far more photos and details into it all. Nick carson 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mk 4 Golf

I do not like the Mk. 4 Golf. I don't like how the Mk. 4 was Volkswagen's attempt to bring Volkswagen more upscale, and have Seat and Skoda as the the cheap, low end brands. I don't like how the Mk. 4 could be equipped with luxury leather, rain sense wipers, in addition to the Mk. 4 being the heavist generation of all. I'm glad that the Mk. 5 will take the car back to where it was during the Mk.2 and the Mk.3. The Mk. 2, and the Mk.3 are the generations I like the best, I don't care about the Mk.4 at all, and the only Mk. 1 that I care about is the pickup truck. The Mk.1 Golf/Rabiit is nothing but the size of a new Mini Cooper, and today's current generation Polo. I also don't like Volkswagen's weirdo commercials, all these sales they've been having. I like Volkswagen's Fahrvergnugen commercials better, the ones where it starts out with the Fahrvergnugen driver symbol, and then the scene views into the car driving inside the Fahrvergnugen symbol, and the actor says: Slip into the 1990 Volkswagen Golf, or slip into the 1990 Volkswagen Jetta and experience Fahrvergnugen.

• US-American commercial? Is that Fahrvergnugen commercial US-American? I don't remember seeing it in Europe, just the USA. --TGC55 21:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• If you don't like the auto, don't buy one -- but really, it's just a "transportation device or option" -- you are not going to breed with one or sell your eldest son for one. BTW, it would help if you signed your comments or at least dated them.--TGC55 21:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mk 5 Golf

The Mk 5 Golf is definitely the best Golf in a number of years. Is handling and feel is much closer to that of the original model. For me the original and the current model are the best and the models in between were just too boring or by the Mk 4 too big and heavy. Even Volkswagen have realised that the original Model was the best as the cloth on the seat material in the current GTi is the same as the cloth on the original model. Although the Golf models have changed over the last 25 years, you can still tell its a Golf, unlike other models of car who keep their same name but look nothing like its predecessors. I think the Golf will always remain a Golf no matter how it changes in future generations.

[edit] Heaviest and biggest?

The Golf IV section of the article says "The Golf IV was the heaviest, largest and slowest version to date". This sounds very close to being NPOV to me: *every* new generation of Golf has been the heaviest and largest to date, and this is probably true for virtually every other car in the world, too. (Why don't we say "The Golf V is the heaviest and largest version to date" in the Golf V section?)

It sounds like a not-so-subtle way of some writer saying he's not happy with the engine in his Golf.  :-)

[edit] Golf III editions

I already added an image of a Golf Pink Floyd a while ago. However, there were several other Golf editions that included a distinct exterior decal package, at least in Europe, that should probably be mentioned in the article. As far as I know, these were:

• Europe (1993, named to celebrate the Maastricht Treaty)
• Joker (1997)
• New Orleans (1994)
• Pink Floyd (1994-1995)
• Rolling Stones (1995)
• Bon Jovi (1996)

Here are some pictures of these. I haven't added these to the article (yet):

Golf Rolling Stones Collection, seen at a used car lot, a 1996 model

Golf New Orleans

Golf Europe

Close-up of Pink Floyd lettering on Golf Pink Floyd wagon

ProhibitOnions 11:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I have added the gallery to the article to prevent the photos from being deleted. I have pictures of the other editions as well, which I will upload in a day or two (except for the Bon Jovi, which I'm still searching for... ProhibitOnions 12:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

They put stickers on it and that becomes a special edition? lol YCCHAN 19:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh-heh. Basically, yes. Actually, the edition usually included a list of specific extras. This seemed to be a Volkswagen Big Idea at the time, but they haven't repeated it with later Golfs. I like both Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones, but I'm not sure I'd want to drive around in a car with their logo on it. ProhibitOnions 23:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golf Mk.6

I don't think we should be adding information on the Golf 6 as it still hasn't officially been announced. vw12 04:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jetta?

Isn't there an article for that? --Bhtooefr 19:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Seriously I don't think this section on the Jetta belongs in the Golf article at all. At best it deserves a single line with a link to the Jetta article, since the Jetta is a totally different car, even if they are related/share some components. --Cbwallace 20:21, 13 September 2006

While I don't disagree that the Jetta deserves its own article, but it is not a totally different car. There are minor differences in styling of the front end, but the only real difference is the addition of a trunk. Wheelbase, engines, drivetrains, etc. are all the same.

[edit] Golf Class

I removed the statement "The success of the Golf spawned the whole Golf Class segment".

This is untrue. The Ford Escort, as did the Opel Kadett, Austin 1100, Citroen GS and the Renault 14 was nearing completion of development.

A more appropriate statement would be "The success of the Golf popularised the hatchback format in the C-segment".

Question: is the term "golf class" even used outside Germany (where "Golfklasse" really is a common term)?--BSI 20:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Volkswagen Rabbit GTI

This was a separate article which I merged into this article as a section, per the consensus at AfD. I didn't edit the section at all, and it's not the greatest section, reads sort of like a puff piece. Herostratus 01:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I made it a Mk I-subsection because it's only about the MkI(Rabbit)-GTi.--BSI 11:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the external references section you merged from the rabbit gti article can now be deleted. It was useful when this article still incorporated the whole rabbit gti article. But since this has been chopped down and rewritten to a appropriate sub-section, I don't think all those references for an article that doesn't even exist anymore are still needed.--BSI 10:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links?

Why was the list of External Golf links removed yet the list of Rabbit links left intact??? The Golf links are much more useful than the Rabbit links, which includes the likes of http://www.wolfsport.com/, which is clearly a commercial site. I put the VW Golf links back in. Andy 15:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbit Ad music (Canada)

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has seen the ad for the "Rabbit" in Canada (and it could be the same elsewhere). There is a song playing in the ad, and it is very catchy, but I have no idea what it is or where I could find it. Does anyone know?--156.34.211.59 16:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Its called "The birds and the Bees", its by a duo called Patrick and Eugene.Rouge 06:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It does have a great saxophone duo (an alto and a baritone)--Porsche997SBS 00:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting the article by generations

This article is far too long, it needs to be shortened. How about splitting it into generations? Something like Volkswagen Golf (Mk I), Volkswagen Golf (Mk II), Volkswagen Golf (Mk III)... The Golf GTI could get an own page, since a quite part of the article is dedicated to it. We should also change many, many links to the correspondant article, something which will take a long, long time. Any other suggestions? -- NaBUru38 02:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree this needs to be split up.

Maybe its time to split the article up into smaller sections. I think a reasonable format would go something like this:

• The main article should retain its content concerning the golf in general, encompassing all 5 generations.
• Each generation ex: Mk2, Mk3, etc, should have its own seperate article.
• Under each generation section in the main article there should be a link to Main article: Volkswagen Golf Mark 5 (for example) followed by a small description and the retention of the template with one photo that visually describes the generation in one hit.

This would allow for the main article to contain more content about the Golf in general, and allow for seperate articles to go into far more detail concerning each individual generation.

So what are everyones thoughts on this? Oppose? Support? or have a better idea? It has to be done sooner or later, and I can come up with a million pictures of the mark 1 alone, and go into vast detail, but theres just not the space for it in the main article. I volenteer to create a Mark 1 article if editors decide this whole thing is a good idea. Thanks. Nick carson 16:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this. These are all seperate cars and should be listed seperatly as such. This should be broken up between the MKs for one entry and then each model have their own entry; linking them together would be important in the see also section. Being a proud MK1 Rabbit owner, its appauling to see it coupled as a golf and not have its own section strickly for Rabbits (even though I understand the reasons for doing so)

[edit] Spam?

This isnt a link to cheap viagra * How to build a 16V G60 Golf Legend Its a site with additional relevant information on a car/engine that info on is quite sparse.Mastershake phd 06:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark 4 still in production

I know someone rewrote the article page to say the Mark 4 Golf ended producion in 2003, but as the article itself says, it's still made and/or sold in at least four countries, even though European production ended in 2003 and 2006 was the last year for the Golf 4 in the United States.

[edit] POV issue

The main text said:

the Golf pioneered the first widely successful front wheel drive hatchback.

Really?. And what about the Renault 4, Renault 5, Renault 16 and Fiat 127?.Randroide 13:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article problems

This article does not necessarily meet a worldwide view. Problems:

• Some sections are too U.S.-centric
• The article could be better maintained by being split into multiple articles, like the Volkswagen Polo article is.
• The article could be split off for some versions that are well-known, e.g. GTi, R32.

What does everyone think?? --SunStar Net 11:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I've put in a range of trivial copyedits today, but I've stopped short of trying to solve the internationalisation problem. The article certainly is very North America heavy, but the info is by no means invalid, it's just that European info is missing, so rather than just cropping it, I'd want to use some of the available sources to pad it out with info from other continents... which will take some time to do.

Aesthetically, I'm not at all convinced that the images of special edition badges are worth having – I think a link to a Wikimedia Commons category would be better, keeping the article looking a bit cleaner. But I've left them alone since somebody's obviously put a lot of work into finding the models to photograph, so I wouldn't want to "clean" that up unless there was a consensus to do so. – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, how about someone from Europe adding some info? Are your fingers broken?

[edit] That French rap video

Can somebody possibly French or from France name that recentish French rap video which features a Golf R32 with a lot of footage of rioting and motorcycle stunts Willirennen 00.08 December 1 2006