Talk:Volga German

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This is barely English, poorly organized, and I have a bad feeling about it. It's reminiscent of User:H.J.. Vicki Rosenzweig 21:50 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it could be better written, but from the history, people from 2 different IP addresses (clearly not from the same subnet) editted it before I touched it. (And for one of them, English not her/his first language.) And from my knowledge of Russian history, it appears to be accurate so far -- it's clearly a stub.
If you'd like, Vicki, I'll add it to my watch list & help it along. I'm willing to take the risk that this won't become another point of bitterness here on WikiP. -- llywrch 03:45 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The Article Germans from Russia which is about an American ethnic group has been redirected here, truncated and merged. I think it should go back to being an independent article. The story of the Volga Germans, is also very interesting and can be substantially expanded, but is really a different story as the division between the two groups generally occured before the Revolution. The only contact most Americans of German-Russian heritage ever had was an occasional pitiful letter from distant relatives. Fred Bauder 15:59, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

I second that. Let's start from the separation within the current article first. Mikkalai 16:52, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have created a stub German-Russian for information on people of German ethnic background who have adopted Russian culture such as Lenin or Vilyam Genrikovich Fisher.

--- My sources are people I "interviewed" - my parents and grandparents OGT


Volga-germanism of most of thse people is not verifiable in wikipedia. NOt to say what Catherine the Great is doing here.

John Hessler ,John Klein, Leroy Lehr. Adolph Lesser, Svyatoslav Richter, George Henry Sauer, Nancy Jones Schaefer, Willard Schmidt, Alfred Schnittke, Ron Schuele, Armin Mueller-Stahl , Benjamin F. Brack, Oscar Brosz, Al Duerr, Merle Freitag, Charles Gemar, Jim Geringer, Count Hans Moritz Haucke, Richard Hieb, Robert W. Hirsch, Joseph Kessler, Otto Krueger, Roland Kunfeld, Count Fyodor Petrovich Litke, Reuben Metter, David J. Miller, Allen Neuharth, Toby Roth, Harvey Wollman, Dr. George P. Epp, and Rudy Wiebe

I suspect these lists were simply copied from some webpages. Many of the persons are probably not famous. You cannot just trow a bunch of names into an encyclopedia without saying a word about them, unless the name is of world fame. But in the last case at least a stub is reasonably to expect. Please clean this up. Mikkalai 20:50, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Personal observation only, but according to my dad (first generation German-Russian American), Lawrence Welk is indeed a German Russian (grew up in the same area in ND as my dad and is a distant cousin, apparently) and so is Tom Daschle. I'm sure this can be found out with a quick Google--I'm too lazy to do it right now. Katr67 22:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serious historical error in this article

A portion of this article has significant error in it.

First, the Black Sea Germans would not like to be associated in name with the Volga Germans. Their primary migration to that region occurred after 1800 and was not influenced in any way by Catherine who died in 1796. The migration was separate and distinct from that of the Volga Germans and occurred under different circumstances.

Second, Catherine the Great's Manifestos applied to all Europeans, not just Germans. Germans happened to respond in greatest numbers due to conditions in regions where they lived. Some Russian Germans make much of the fact that she was German herself but this in no way had anything to do with their migration to the Volga River region.

Third, based on the above, Germans had no special privileges in Russia that did not also apply to other ethnic groups that migrated under the Manifesto terms.

Sources: Human Capital by Roger Bartlett; From Catherine to Kruschev by Adam Giesinger

I have therefore modified the article to incorporate this information.

Jerry Frank FranklySpeaking_at_shaw.ca —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.89.225.107 (talk • contribs).

[edit] "Health Consequences"

There was information pasted into the article directly from this source:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3345066&dopt=Abstract

It is possible it might fit into the article if it were properly paraphrased and wikified. Katr67 21:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proper redirect of Germans from Russia?

This may be another form of the issue raised by FranklySpeaking, but I do not think that the redirect of Germans from Russia to this article properly belongs here. The Germans who settled in the Beresan (near Odessa) certainly are not Volga Germans. Agent 86 03:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Thinking of it for another minute, and then noticing that the redirect was set up in 2004, I decided to be bold and change the redirect to a more suitable article, History of Germans in Russia and the Soviet Union. Not the best, but better than to this article. Agent 86 03:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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