User talk:Vizcarra/October 2005

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Contents 1 PVEM 2 My RfA! 3 Mexican state categories + Baja municipalities map 4 subpages 5 Your vote needed 6 Rosario Green 7 Labeling foreign-language external links 8 List of Jews 9 tag team 10 Hypocrisy 11 Diferendo 12 El siniestro de Tapachula 13 La raza move 14 Re:Naming convention 15 New Engineering Wiki 16 Holiday 17 User:Vizcarra talk/POV 18 My RfA 19 WikiProject Mexico 20 FEMSA 21 Vicente Fox 22 Removal of photos 23 Redundant categories 24 Krauze 25 Horchata 26 POV battle

[edit] PVEM

Hi there. On the Green Party's page, you call González a "public officer". Maybe "public official" is the term you're looking for -- ie, a civil servant, an employee of the govt bureaucracy. What exactly did he do before founding the party? –Hajor 14:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA!

My dear Vizcarra, I simply wanted to drop by, now that my RfA is closed to give you a big THANK YOU! for your kind support. I know we had a little argument regarding Anahi, but it serves to show how two mature persons can understand each other and move along. As a Mexican, perhaps you'd like to see some of my later contributions to Texas Ranger Division and see if I've focused the matter with a fully NPOV position, as I know it's a sensitive issue for many of your countrymen. You'll always have a friend in me. Un beso! Shauri Yes babe? 21:14, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mexican state categories + Baja municipalities map

Hi again. Sorry about the map, I had changed it by the time you replied. It can be reverted to either my or your version at any time so that shouldn't be a big issue.

My concern here is that I noticed you removing Mexican State articles from Category:States of Mexico. You stated in the edit summary that it is a "redundant category" when it is actually far from it. My understanding of current usage is that the main state article can and should go under "divisions of X" (regardless of whether the article is under other categories) while all articles related to the state go into subcategories (and I think the main state article should NOT go into its own subcategory). See how Texas and other US state articles for usage examples. It would be real nice if you could revert the changes you made.

-- Rune Welsh ταλκ 22:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Rune Welsh ταλκ 23:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] subpages

User:Vizcarra/Articles and User:Vizcarra/images were in the wrong name space. I have moved them. Put a copyright tag on image:vizcarra.jpg - you would not like to have it deleted would you? -- RHaworth 07:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your vote needed

Hey, Vizcarra. POV matter at [1]. Thanks.

Marsden 13:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rosario Green

With All respect, I would sincerely suggest not believing everything you read. It is a very exciting time in Rosario's life right now and we would hope that you would honor that. She is devoted and is with the Kozmetsky Center at the present time. I will keep you up to date personally if you would like me to. Thank you. A.Hidalgo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.11 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC) [2]

[edit] Labeling foreign-language external links

With reference to this edit of yours, please see my question/remark at Wikipedia_talk:External_links#Foreign-language_external_links. Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of Jews

I hope you don't mind, I corrected List of Jews by country and the template Template:JewsByCountry after your brilliant edits. :)

--Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 22:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Some people take those things personally, better be polite. :) --Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 22:28, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] tag team

Thanks for the note. It would seem to me that SlimVirgin and Jayjg qualify as a pro-Israel and pro-Jewish POV tag team. They are currently tag teaming the Historical persecution by Jews section to delete any mention of the modern state of Israel. And they both had tried to push POV in the Refusal to serve in the Israeli military article. Anyway, it will be interesting to see if NPOV will ever win on wikipedia. FuelWagon 03:37, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hypocrisy

You're quite happy to make criticisms of others without evidence, and to retain unpleasant posts about others on your talk page, but when someone reciprocates, you instantly delete it. Ruiz's post had the ring of truth to it. You do involve yourself in issues you have no knowledge of. You do distort facts. I have direct experience of you doing this, which is why I restored the post. I won't get into an edit war with you about it, but your hypcrisy is noted. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I was going to delete your personal attack, but I realized that this attack is self-inflicted. You are calling me a hypocrite, for... wait no proof. Ring of truth? Every criticism you have deleted has more than a ring of truth. They are almost entirely true. So, now you are calling yourself a hypocrite, meaning to insult me. --Vizcarra 00:38, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Diferendo

Would you and Ruiz like to meet up somewhere in my user space and hash out your differences under the oversight of an uninvolved party? We might manage to go some way towards establishing standard guidelines for dealing with Mexican articles in general, too. –Hajor 15:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] El siniestro de Tapachula

En estos momentos, Tapachula, segunda ciudad más importante de Chiapas (población de más de 500.000 habitantes), atravieza por la peor crisis de su historia. Debido al huracán Stann, casi la mitad de la ciudad ha sido devastada. Los desbordamientos de los ríos Coatán y Cahoatán han desaparecido varias colonias aledañas (Las Américas, Framboyanes, etc.). Al 7 de octubre de 2005, 35 colonias (barrios) están inundadas. Este desastre natural ha dañado lo que ni las guerras de conquista, independencia, reforma y revolución juntas hicieron. La cifra de muertos es aún relativamente baja, pero las pérdidas económicas se presume rebase los 100 mil millones de dólares tan sólo en pérdidas directas, sólo superable -a nivel municipal- por las pérdidas del terremoto de 1985 en la delegación Cuauhtemoc del DF. Como siempre, los más afectados son los pobres y las autoridades son rebasadas por la magnitud de la tragedia para superar la emergencia.

URGE LA MOVILIZACIÓN DE QUIENES LEAN ESTE ARTÍCULO PARA QUE HAGAN ECO DE LA TRAGEDIA Y ORGANICEN ENVÍO DE AYUDA HUMANITARIA!!!

Agguizar...Mensajes aquí.

[edit] La raza move

Why is La raza moved to La aza? Could we move it back, since La raza is the correct title? — Stevey7788 (talk) 19:23, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Naming convention

To be honest I'm not sure about it since "Municipality of" is sometimes not part of the proper name of the municipio, but it would certainly ease dab between municipalities of the same name in different states. However I don't think this usage is in agreement with the naming conventions for subnational entities. I'd suggest you to ask User:Hajor for input as well, since he's been somewhat involved in naming conventions AFAIK. I'd thank you if you keep me informed, of course! Cheers. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 20:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I think there's been a little misunderstanding because I didn't explain myself well. I tried to say that by writing "Municipality of" the reader may imply that it is a part of the name, which in many cases is not true. Sorry about that. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 21:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Engineering Wiki

Engineering Wiki is a wiki entirely dedicated to collecting information about Engineering. I invite you to join this wiki.

[edit] Holiday

Do you really think that this "Who cares about the Merriam Webster?" is a good justification for this change [3]. Or are you betting on others not noticing? --Vizcarra 00:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you really think that ignoring the discussion on the talk page and making a change based on one dictionary was a good justification? I don't claim that will win any awards for a calm and insightful edit comment, but it expressed my opinion clearly. If I had wanted to hide it, I would have marked it "grammatical changes" and set it to minor.--Prosfilaes 17:37, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Ha ha ha! I'll have you know, Prosfilaes, that I wrote the original version of the Winter Holiday section at Holiday, and that the original version included the God reference. This obviously means that you are a hypocrite in saying that Vizcarra was editing "(while) ignoring the discussion", when in fact he/she was restoring what was actually changed already, without discussion. Check on the facts before you get so confident. Jordain 03:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC).

[edit] User:Vizcarra talk/POV

Heya -- without reference to the content, I'd like to suggest you rename this article. Right now, the title and namespace indicate that there is a user (it's in the User: namespace) named "Vizcarra talk", and this is a subpage of "Vizcarra talk"'s user page called POV. I don't think that's what you meant! It should be renamed to User:Vizcarra/POV or User talk:Vizcarra/POV -- the latter will make it more likely for other editors to contribute to it, which (since you erased my responses) you don't seem to want.

I also really wish we didn't find ourselves at odds; except for the stuff we seem to disagree about, I'm quite impressed by the work you've been doing on Wikipedia. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 05:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks for your vote in my RfA. I'll do my best to live up to the wiki standards and be a good admin!

--Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 15:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Mexico

Hi, there. Sorry I didn't get back to you about your municipalities question -- I read it, thought about it, and then entirely forgot to respond. However, I would like you point your browser towards Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico: something that a couple of people have talked about setting up in the past, and which I think could help provide a forum for broader discussions than the (somewhat unfortunate) ones that have taken place regarding Mexico articles in recent weeks. I sincerely hope you do sign up and, together, we can take our best shot at this thing. For instance, I've proposed creating a page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico/Strategy, precisely for discussing issues like the naming of municipio articles. If you like, you could be the first poster. Best, –Hajor 20:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FEMSA

Hola Vizcarra!, FEMSA should not be merged with Coca-Cola FEMSA... In that case we should also merge The Walt Disney Company article with the Walt Disney Pictures article... FEMSA is the group.... Coca-Cola FEMSA is a company of that group regards, Abögarp

I see your point, through an extreme analogy, but I do see it. Well, what we can do is to list all subsidiries of FEMSA (such as Coca-Cola, cerveza, etc.) --Vizcarra 23:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vicente Fox

Hi, Vizcarra -- thanks for the information about "Chente." I guess my question is: is Fox frequently referred to as Chente? If so, I'm inclined to add it back on. If he's rarely or never referred to as Chente, I'm inclined to leave it off. Please let me know (or add it back yourself if you believe it's approrpirate). Thanks. --Nlu 16:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of photos

Hello Viz. Was it you who removed the photos of Ali, Jimi and Jeff from the Irish people article? If so, why? Cheers. Fergananim 17:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

You can see here, who removed them, I don't know the reason. --Vizcarra 19:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant categories

Hi, if an article is in Category:Skyscrapers between 200 and 249 meters, it doesn't also need to be in Category:Skyscrapers by height, as that is a parent category. This is the same thing as saying someone is an Actor and an American Actor. Please place the most specific categories on an article only.. Thank you. «»Who?¿?^meta 08:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I was about to have my bot remove all of the redundant categories in a few minutes. «»Who?¿?^meta 08:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. I just wanted you to know, that I understand you were just trying to help out, and I appreciate your contribs. I hope I did not come off as too harsh, I was just trying to save you some time, as they would have been corrected at some point. No hard feelings, and keep up the good work. Cheers. «»Who?¿?^meta 09:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Krauze

Hello!

(i)I have del cat:Germ-Mex from Enrique Krauze's article... Does he has a german mother??.. I know that his grandpa (Krauze) was a polish immigrant. (ii) Enrique Krauze is Jew so i have add cat:Jewish Mexicans. Regards, Abögarp

[edit] Horchata

Is there any chance you could take a look at the discussion that's currently developing at Talk:Horchata and add your 2¢? Thanks! --Iustinus 21:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

You removed chicha from the horchata page. I did put it there for a reason, though. Check out Talk:Horchata#Venezuelan Chicha (and add yoru thoughts, please) ;) --Iustinus 03:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV battle

The twins are at it again: Israeli settlement. Marsden 05:07, 30 October 2005 (UTC)